Voter Suppression

[Tecumsehsbones]

Much of the brouhaha centers around what forms of ID are acceptable for voting.

Funny part is, way back in the Clinton administration, they proposed a national ID card.

The Reichpubliklans stroked. . . the. . . fuck. . . out. Eventually, the administration implemented RealID, and made it voluntary for the states to participate or not.

Fast-forward ten years or so, and the Reichpubliklans were screaming for "more secure ID." Now ReadID is mandatory for driving licenses and state-issued ID cards. Still working on a national ID.

Reichpubliklans are brain-damaged.

 

[Blackleaf]

We don't need ID to vote. As long as your name is on the electoral register all you have to do is give your name to someone sat at a desk in a polling station and they check to see if your name is on their list and it will be if you're on the electoral register and if it is they cross it off and you vote.

 

[Serryah]

We don't need ID to vote. As long as your name is on the electoral register all you have to do is give your name to someone sat at a desk in a polling station and they check to see if your name is on their list and it will be if you're on the electoral register and if it is they cross it off and you vote.

Yes, but you're not the States of 'Murica where if you have no ID, then you obviously are a Commie Nazi Fascist trying to Fake the Election!

 

[DaSleeper]

In Canada I even had to show my ID to a woman who new me well...We were in the same class in school

But Muzlim women in full niqab can vote without showing their face
Skip to the three minute mark if you don't wish to listen to Levant

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Yes, but you're not the States of 'Murica where if you have no ID, then you obviously are a Commie Nazi Fascist trying to Fake the Election!

Steal, not fake.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

We don't need ID to vote. As long as your name is on the electoral register all you have to do is give your name to someone sat at a desk in a polling station and they check to see if your name is on their list and it will be if you're on the electoral register and if it is they cross it off and you vote.

A number of people have pointed out that it should be the same here. We too require registry to vote. Verification of residence in the jurisdiction is established at the time of registration.

But, see, the people most likely to not have the needed ID card are non-white.

In case you ever wondered if these laws are designed to keep people from voting based on their political opinions, consider this. In Texass, a state-issued concealed weapons permit is valid ID for voting. A state-issued student ID from a Texass university is not.

 

[pgs]

A number of people have pointed out that it should be the same here. We too require registry to vote. Verification of residence in the jurisdiction is established at the time of registration.

But, see, the people most likely to not have the needed ID card are non-white.

In case you ever wondered if these laws are designed to keep people from voting based on their political opinions, consider this. In Texass, a state-issued concealed weapons permit is valid ID for voting. A state-issued student ID from a Texass university is not.

Makes sense , lots of students are from out of state and out of country .

 

[Twin_Moose]

Yes, but you're not the States of 'Murica where if you have no ID, then you obviously are a Commie Nazi Fascist trying to Fake the Election!

We have to show our ID and proof of residence In a community that the poll workers are my neighbors, our kids went to school together, don't you?

 

[taxslave]

A number of people have pointed out that it should be the same here. We too require registry to vote. Verification of residence in the jurisdiction is established at the time of registration.

But, see, the people most likely to not have the needed ID card are non-white.

In case you ever wondered if these laws are designed to keep people from voting based on their political opinions, consider this. In Texass, a state-issued concealed weapons permit is valid ID for voting. A state-issued student ID from a Texass university is not.

As usual you only provide the half the information that might suit your cause. Not having studied Texas gun laws, but I strongly suspect that one must ne a citizen or at least a landed immigrant to get a concealed carry permit while residence is not required to attend the university of cow poop.
Even here with a voter card and on the register one must still produce ID to vote. And that is with the person doing the ID checks belonging to the same Lions club as me. So no, producing proper ID to vote is not too onerous unless your purpose is to vote more than once.

 

[Jinentonix]

Yes, but you're not the States of 'Murica where if you have no ID, then you obviously are a Commie Nazi Fascist trying to Fake the Election!

Yeah, it's not like the US doesn't have a serious illegal immigrant problem.

Things you need ID for in the US; Buying alcohol, buying tobacco products, buying firearms, opening a bank account, getting a hunting licence, getting a fishing licence, applying for food stamps, applying for welfare, applying for Medicaid or social security, applying for unemployment, renting/buying a house/applying for a mortgage, drive/buy/rent a car, get on an airplane, get married, adopt a pet, rent a hotel room, buy a cell phone, visit a casino, pick up a prescription, hold a legal rally or protest, donating blood, buying an "M" rated video game, purchase nail polish at CVS, purchase certain cold medicines.

Things you don't need ID for in the US; Voting.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Not having studied Texas gun laws, but I strongly suspect that one must ne a citizen or at least a landed immigrant to get a concealed carry permit while residence is not required to attend the university of cow poop.

Good to see you're not letting complete ignorance stop you from making false statements.

 

[Serryah]

We have to show our ID and proof of residence In a community that the poll workers are my neighbors, our kids went to school together, don't you?

Sure do.

Lots easier to get ID in Canada than the States though, and those are for 'legit, born there' residents too.

 

[taxslave]

Good to see you're not letting complete ignorance stop you from making false statements.

And what false statement would that be?

 

[Twin_Moose]

Sure do.

Lots easier to get ID in Canada than the States though, and those are for 'legit, born there' residents too.

Getting a birth certificate or driver training harder in the US? Carrying a rent or municipal/county tax receipt harder?

 

[Serryah]

Getting a birth certificate or driver training harder in the US? Carrying a rent or municipal/county tax receipt harder?

My Ex - who lived in Iowa - never had a birth certificate until she was in her 20's. No passport either. Depending on the state you live, they have different voter ID requirements.

Also:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

Why Millions of Americans Have No Government ID

Several states have tightened voting requirements, making it mandatory to show a form of government-issued photo ID before casting a ballot. But millions of Americans don't have a government ID. Host Michel Martin talks with NPR's Corey Dade about who is least likely to have one and why.

www.npr.org

Without ID, Homeless Trapped in Vicious Cycle

Not having ID can make it virtually impossible to escape homelessness.

www.govtech.com

The Elusiveness of an Official ID After Prison

A bureaucratic maze within the federal government leaves scores of former inmates without the key to a fresh start.

www.theatlantic.com

It’s hard to believe that some people don’t have voter ID. Until you watch this video.

Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission: to help everyone understand our complicated world, so that we can all help shape it. In text, video and audio, our reporters explain politics, policy, world affairs, technology, culture, science, the climate crisis, money...

www.vox.com

Some of these have changed I'm sure since they were written, but it still is a huge issue in the States. That's why the whole voter ID laws cause such an issue every damned voting year.

 

[Twin_Moose]

My Ex - who lived in Iowa - never had a birth certificate until she was in her 20's. No passport either. Depending on the state you live, they have different voter ID requirements.

Also:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

Why Millions of Americans Have No Government ID

Several states have tightened voting requirements, making it mandatory to show a form of government-issued photo ID before casting a ballot. But millions of Americans don't have a government ID. Host Michel Martin talks with NPR's Corey Dade about who is least likely to have one and why.

www.npr.org

Without ID, Homeless Trapped in Vicious Cycle

Not having ID can make it virtually impossible to escape homelessness.

www.govtech.com

The Elusiveness of an Official ID After Prison

A bureaucratic maze within the federal government leaves scores of former inmates without the key to a fresh start.

www.theatlantic.com

It’s hard to believe that some people don’t have voter ID. Until you watch this video.

Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission: to help everyone understand our complicated world, so that we can all help shape it. In text, video and audio, our reporters explain politics, policy, world affairs, technology, culture, science, the climate crisis, money...

www.vox.com

Some of these have changed I'm sure since they were written, but it still is a huge issue in the States. That's why the whole voter ID laws cause such an issue every damned voting year.

Not much different than here, you have to apply for birth certificate and SIN, good luck with the homeless, what are the chances they are voting, poor is poor in both countries.

 

[Blackleaf]

Yes, but you're not the States of 'Murica where if you have no ID, then you obviously are a Commie Nazi Fascist trying to Fake the Election!

I like our system. It allows me, even if it's only a small chance, to vote twice in an election. My brother lives in Glasgow, but if he still lived in my area of Greater Manchester and he told me that he isn't bothering voting, then I could go into the polling station at St William of York Primary School at, say, 8am, give an official my name, they cross it off the list, and then I vote. Then I could go back again at 9pm, when the chances are it's a different set of officials, give them my brother's name, they cross it off the list, and then I vote again. This could, in theory, happen.

So, as you can see, having no ID is good for democracy, because it could allow someone to vote twice, so therefore they are doubly franchised - double democracy for each person.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

And what false statement would that be?

What does it matter? You believe.

 

[pgs]

Vote early vote often .

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

A number of people have pointed out that it should be the same here. We too require registry to vote. Verification of residence in the jurisdiction is established at the time of registration.

But, see, the people most likely to not have the needed ID card are non-white.

In case you ever wondered if these laws are designed to keep people from voting based on their political opinions, consider this. In Texass, a state-issued concealed weapons permit is valid ID for voting. A state-issued student ID from a Texass university is not.

Wouldn't a better solution be to work to make sure those people who are currently without id get id? Assuming they are legal residents that shouldn't be a monumental challenge. I don't see any issue with showing id when I vote. It's not like they are asking for a notarized letter from 3 people who know you. A simple id check shouldn't be a big deal.