COVID-19 'Pandemic'

petros

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Once again, my question was:
"Would you, if ill with Covid, take a drug that had (in its research stages) utilized human stem cells from an aborted fetus?" And yes, I added any other life threatening disease because you implied that covid is a mild infection.
Did I randomly search and post an "I got ya?" Well I did research, why wouldn't I? And no, it wasn't for the sake of an "I got ya" it was in the spirit of conversation. That said, I did read articles that were interesting concerning the fight against covid-19. Isn't that what anybody taking part in a conversation does? Try to expand their knowledge on the subject of discussion? When you believed JLM researched Covid-19 and related sepsis you stated that you were "glad" that he had looked something up. Why then if I look something up, is that met with hostility?
From what I read in the multiple articles I found, MSC cells are not limited in their capacity, they are being utilized in studies for Covid-19, ALS, inflammatory diseases and sepsis. One such study related to Covid-19 taking place right here in Canada, which is exciting. I'll provide some links below.
I'm not upset that you "got me" whatever that means. I simply posed a hypothetical question for the sake of starting a conversation. Isn't that the purpose of a forum? To have discussion? This is a thread about Covid-19 right? Are questions and subsequent discussions about covid-19 not allowed? Or is this just a place for people to try to outdo one another with brash insults.
Here are some links:
Experimental Stem Cell Therapy a Potential Weapon in COVID-19 Fight
Now, a team based at The Ottawa Hospital is redeploying lessons learned from the world’s first safety trial assessing the use of mesenchymal stem/stromal cells (MSCs) for treating runaway inflammation in patients with severe sepsis to treat the intense lung inflammation that causes Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) in COVID-19 patients.
The safety phase will use bone-marrow derived MSCs Stewart’s team has banked in their Ottawa lab, and MSCs from the umbilical cord provided through a partnership the Center for Regenerative Therapies (CRTD) in Dresden, Germany will be used to assess the maximum feasible tolerated dose, as well as efficacy. MSCs culled from umbilical cord are similar to those derived from bone marrow but may have superior anti-inflammatory function, and are more readily available during a global pandemic, Stewart notes.

https://oirm.ca/news_events/stem-cell-trial-covid19/
Safety and immunological effects of mesenchymal stem cell transplantation in patients with multiple sclerosis and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20937945/
Human mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs) for treatment towards immune- and inflammation-mediated diseases: review of current clinical trials
Stem cells are likely the most promising agent for the treatment of degenerative and ischemic diseases due to their self-renewal and multilineage differentiation capacity. The most exciting aspect of these unique cells is their potential therapeutic impact for regenerative medicine [1, 2]. The best studied type of stem cell is the hematopoietic stem cell (HSC), and transplantation of these tissue-specific stem cells have now become standard-of-care for numerous indications [3]. Over 50 years in the making, the success of HSC transplantation is illustrative of the paradigm for stem cell therapy: replacement and regeneration of pathological endogenous tissue with autologous or 3rd party/allogeneic stem cells. While research in stem cell biology is mainly focused on this goal, an unexpected new avenue of clinical application has emerged for the mesenchymal stem cell (MSC) as an immunotherapeutic agent. A type of somatic progenitor/stem cell, the MSC is capable of multilineage differentiation. However, in recent years, consistent reports on its immunomodulatory properties have opened up the use of these cells for indications other than regenerative medicine. The therapeutic application of MSCs in immune/inflammatory contexts may be more efficacious than traditional indications for regenerative medicine, since engraftment of infused/transplanted stem cells—which have proved surprisingly difficult to achieve [4]—appears not to be necessary for efficacy [5]. In this review, we specifically focus on this non-traditional application of a tissue-specific stem cell, and highlight important findings and trends in this exciting area of stem cell therapy.
MSCs were first isolated from the adult bone marrow (BM), and distinguished from marrow hematopoietic cells by their adherent nature in in vitro cell cultures and fibroblastic morphology [6, 7]. The function of BMMSCs was initially thought to be limited to supporting hematopoiesis; indeed, one of the first clinical use of these progenitor/stem cells was to enhance HSC engraftment [8]. Since these early reports, MSCs have been demonstrated to exist in a wide range of adult and fetal organs/tissues [9], and popular sources for isolation other than the BM include adipose tissue, umbilical cord blood, umbilical cord and placenta. In 2006, the International Society for Cellular Therapy (ISCT) established the following unified and minimal criteria to define MSCs [10].

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5095977/
My answer was clear.
 

petros

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Does anyone know when, why and how physicians managed forget how to treat inflammation, thrombosis, infections and respiratory issues?
 

Gilgamesh

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I did or did you kept changing it?

You have 4 days now that the earth spun one more time.

Decide your ball size and pick one from pages 406-07 or pick a death toll for the last and next 4 days.

Just one this time. No wobbling.

Make your pick and lock it in. I'll be up in four hours for a flight but I'll give you another 3 in case you decide to sleep for once.

0930 CST.

Fair?
Get the help you so very badly need. Soon!
 

Mockingbird

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Does anyone know when, why and how physicians managed forget how to treat inflammation, thrombosis, infections and respiratory issues?
I don't believe anyone is suggesting that they forgot how to treat these conditions, that's just silly. What does happen though is that through research and development, better ways are discovered to treat/manage the conditions you mentioned as well as many others, including Covid-19.
Mankind has come a long way from tobacco smoke enemas.
 
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Serryah

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Think of the kids. End this lockdown now which is going to kill people - and already has done.

The crazies who want us lockdowned just because a few people are dying of a not-very-deadly flu just don't care about the deaths they are causing and the bereaved families that are left behind.


And you don't care about kids at all so why use them as an excuse to push your agenda?

After all, you don't care about the families - including kids - of those who have died of Covid so...
 

petros

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I don't believe anyone is suggesting that they forgot how to treat these conditions, that's just silly. What does happen though is that through research and development, better ways are discovered to treat/manage the conditions you mentioned as well as many others, including Covid-19.
Mankind has come a long way from tobacco smoke enemas.
There is something wrong with the current extremely effective treatments?
 

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A Mouse Once Bit My Sister
After seven days in ICU, remorseful Chris Christie urges everyone to wear masks: 'We have not treated Americans as adults'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...-battling-covid-n1243589?cid=eml_nbn_20201015


Now this is an adult having had an enlightening experience. He has learned and realized how badly the US population has been misled , maltreated and misinformed . He seems to now see that there has been no adult ,effective leadership .........ONLY BS, BS and more BS. with continuous self agrandization. of an autocrat.


Buddy would offer identical sentiments about shoveling sidewalks if he had a tumble.

Hardly a compelling argument



If you employ the low end of the ESTIMATE, it looks like covid is slightly more deadly than diabetes
 

Hoid

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Bizarre press conference with Doug Ford as questioner after question presses him on why they are saying not to trick or treat in the 4 hotspot areas.

No proof, they say, that trick or treating can spread covid so why not do it.

It is a strange world when someone like Doug Ford has to become the voice of reason.

It's live now and I have to say it s the best TV I have seen in weeks.

Someone now saying that Ford has not lost wages while he has forced businesses to close etc etc.

Yes. Doug Ford has ruined the economy for no reason.
 

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Dr. Birx reportedly asked Pence to remove COVID-19 adviser pushing 'junk science'

Dr. Deborah Birx has reportedly been trying to get controversial adviser Dr. Scott Atlas removed from the White House coronavirus task force.

A new report in The Washington Post describes the "discord on the coronavirus task force" that has reportedly "worsened" ever since the arrival of Atlas, a neuroradiologist who has no background in epidemiology. Atlas has reportedly "succeeded in largely sidelining" other doctors on the White House coronavirus task force, has challenged analysis from Birx and others with what experts have dismissed as "junk science," and is seen by colleagues as "ill-informed, manipulative and at times dishonest."

Birx, who serves as the task force's response coordinator, recently confronted Vice President Mike Pence about Atlas, telling his office he should be removed from the task force and that she "does not trust" him nor does she believe "he is giving Trump sound advice," the Post also reports. Her effort was evidently unsuccessful, and Pence reportedly "did not take sides" in the conflict.

The report also describes how Atlas has baselessly claimed to the task force that the United States is close to achieving herd immunity, an idea scientists have rejected, and that all coronavirus restrictions should be lifted. This, the Post says, led Birx and Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, to demand he produce data to support his claims during a "fierce debate." Atlas over the weekend also falsely claimed that masks don't work in fighting COVID-19, leading Twitter to remove the post.

"These days, the task force is dormant relative to its robust activity earlier in the pandemic," the Post writes. "Fauci, Birx, Surgeon General Jerome Adams and other members have confided in others that they are dispirited."


https://sports.yahoo.com/dr-birx-reportedly-asked-pence-140222162.html
 

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Over the weekend Dr Fauci was quoted a saying the trump administration had prevented him from making public statements and that he was not at all surprised that trump got covid.

Today Trump said people are tired of listening to Fauci and "idiots like that".

US covid death toll:

220,000 +368
 

Mockingbird

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Over the weekend Dr Fauci was quoted a saying the trump administration had prevented him from making public statements and that he was not at all surprised that trump got covid.
Today Trump said people are tired of listening to Fauci and "idiots like that".
US covid death toll:
220,000 +368

Trump promoted a Doctor who believes that demon semen makes people sick but Fauci and people like him are idiots? Wtf is happening lol.