Supremes Rule Against Trump on Financial Records

[Tecumsehsbones]

Short version: This dealt with criminal subpoenae in the state of New York for Trump's financial records and in Congress for the same. Trump claimed absolute immunity on the theory that the president's job is so important that during her term as president, he is immune from investigation and lawsuit. The Supremes rejected this argument, 7-2, but remanded for further proceedings in lower courts on what exactly must be produced and on what Congress's legitimate legislative or oversight power is.

The upshot is that the NY prosecutors and Congress will eventually be able to get Trump's financial records, but almost certainly not before the 3 Nov election.

 

[pgs]

So really no apparent reason to jump for joy ?

 

[Hoid]

The wheels of justice turn slowly.

For rich white people

 

[Cliffy]

The wheels of justice turn slowly.

For rich white people

faster than a speeding bullet for blacks and indigenous people though.

 

[petros]

You two spend a lot of time in Court?

 

[Serryah]

I find it interesting that lately the SCOTUS has had the judgments its had.


What got me was the Oklahoma state v. native issue one. I don't see it doing MUCH, mind you, but it'll be interesting to see how the state and the Band figure things out.

As for this specific case, I think it is sad nothing will be seen before the election, but at least it will be seen at some point.

 

[pgs]

I find it interesting that lately the SCOTUS has had the judgments its had.


What got me was the Oklahoma state v. native issue one. I don't see it doing MUCH, mind you, but it'll be interesting to see how the state and the Band figure things out.

As for this specific case, I think it is sad nothing will be seen before the election, but at least it will be seen at some point.

No it won’t, once the election is over they are a moot point .

 

[Twin_Moose]

And have to resubmit subpoenas after every sitting of congress. Partial victory for both parties, long term damage for any future POTUS.

 

[Twin_Moose]

A LINK that anti Trumpers would approve of

Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito both filed dissenting opinions, suggesting President Trump deserves greater deference from subpoenas given the nature of his job.

"The court's decision threatens to impair the functioning of the presidency and provides no real protection against the use of the subpoena power by the nation's 2,300+ local prosecutors," Alito wrote.

Trump tweeted shortly after the decision came down that the matter is a "political prosecution."

But the president's attorneys said they were "pleased."

"The Supreme Court has temporarily blocked both Congress and New York prosecutors from obtaining the President’s tax records. We will now proceed to raise additional Constitutional and legal issues in the lower courts," Counsel to the President Jay Sekulow said in a statement on the New York case and on a second case involving four congressional subpoenas, also sent back to a lower court.

Three Democratic-led House committees are seeking a sweeping array of Trump personal and business records predating his time in the White House, including bank statements, engagement letters, personal checks, loan applications and tax returns -- information the lawmakers have called critical to drafting of new federal ethics and anti-corruption laws.

"Both of these cases involve short-term political wins for the president," said Shaw. "But they actually also both involve long-term wins for state authorities and congressional committees that try to hold the president accountable."

Later Thursday, Trump, speaking at a White House event, said he is partly satisfied with the rulings.

 

[Jinentonix]

Under what grounds do the Democrats have the right to take Trump's tax records as a PRIVATE citizen and make them public? What law exactly are they trying to "enforce" here?

 

[pgs]

Under what grounds do the Democrats have the right to take Trump's tax records as a PRIVATE citizen and make them public? What law exactly are they trying to "enforce" here?

Anyway to take down the orange man.

 

[Jinentonix]

The wheels of justice turn slowly.

For rich white people

What justice? Making a private citizen's tax records public? You do realize that what the Dummycraps are doing is a BLATANT abuse of power, right?
First off there's no law that states the President, no matter who they are, must make his tax records public. Secondly, there are laws protecting private citizens from having their tax record made public. But then human excrement like you and Cliffy don't give a shit about laws when your ideological masters break them.



NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW!!! Except illegal immigrants, Democrats, left-wing insurrectionists, idiots who block interstate highways and main thoroughfares, Trudeau, and anyone "protesting" during this Covid lock down, as long as they aren't protesting the lock down.

 

[Cliffy]

Loser

The Trump Tower's new front yard. Photo by New York Times


Welcome cracks in - if not the devoutly-to-be-wished end of - the malignant morass that is Trump's "imperial presidency," founded as it is on the toxic tenet that he's above the law. Actually, nope, said the Supreme Court, ruling he'll have to respond to subpoenas just like the rest of us and turn over his undoubtedly skeevy tax records to Manhattan D.A. Cyrus Vance, who's vowed to "follow (the) facts, wherever they may lead" - an ominous pledge to a lifelong crook whose makeup could definitely clash with his jumpsuit. Vance called the ruling “a tremendous victory for our nation’s system of justice and its founding principle that no one - not even a president - is above the law.” It's also a stunning rebuke: The Court ruled unanimously for the general principle that, "No citizen (is) above the common duty to produce evidence when called upon in a criminal proceeding," and even his own legal toadies Gorsuch and friggin' Kavanaugh ruled against him on his case, prompting jokes on social media that even they've now joined the resistance. Faced with the tragic dawning reality the courts may not let him keep being a criminal, Trump exhibited his usual grace under pressure, embarking on a rabid hours-long Twitter meltdown about PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT! and "SPYING on my campaign" and "corrupt New York...falling apart with everyone leaving." Wait, what? Nancy Pelosi: “A careful reading of the Supreme Court rulings (is) not good news for President Trump.” A succinct Twitter sage: "It's official - Trump is fukked."

More: https://www.commondreams.org/further/2020/07/09/loser

 

[Jinentonix]

Loser

The Trump Tower's new front yard. Photo by New York Times


Welcome cracks in - if not the devoutly-to-be-wished end of - the malignant morass that is Trump's "imperial presidency," founded as it is on the toxic tenet that he's above the law. Actually, nope, said the Supreme Court, ruling he'll have to respond to subpoenas just like the rest of us and turn over his undoubtedly skeevy tax records to Manhattan D.A. Cyrus Vance, who's vowed to "follow (the) facts, wherever they may lead" - an ominous pledge to a lifelong crook whose makeup could definitely clash with his jumpsuit. Vance called the ruling “a tremendous victory for our nation’s system of justice and its founding principle that no one - not even a president - is above the law.” It's also a stunning rebuke: The Court ruled unanimously for the general principle that, "No citizen (is) above the common duty to produce evidence when called upon in a criminal proceeding," and even his own legal toadies Gorsuch and friggin' Kavanaugh ruled against him on his case, prompting jokes on social media that even they've now joined the resistance. Faced with the tragic dawning reality the courts may not let him keep being a criminal, Trump exhibited his usual grace under pressure, embarking on a rabid hours-long Twitter meltdown about PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT! and "SPYING on my campaign" and "corrupt New York...falling apart with everyone leaving." Wait, what? Nancy Pelosi: “A careful reading of the Supreme Court rulings (is) not good news for President Trump.” A succinct Twitter sage: "It's official - Trump is fukked."

More: https://www.commondreams.org/further/2020/07/09/loser

Awww and yet weren't you one the losers pissing and moaning about Kavanuagh's appointment? Looks like you and rest of the leftarded half-wits need new crystal balls.
I also like how they go on about the Flynn case perfectly happy to ignore the stupid f*cking games the prosecution and the judge were playing. Funny how the left defines" justice" as whatever the hell they think it is.
A perfect description of that is, painting "Black Lives Matter on a major boulevard is okay, but defacing it is "against the law". That's right, somebody was arrested for "defacing" a 'Black Lives Matter' bit of road-top graffiti. But defacing statues is fine.



Burning a rainbow flag is a "careless use of fire" but burning an American flag is "free speech".


Doing anything as a group is "against the law" during the lock down. But massing by the thousands, destroying public and private property, illegally occupying entire neighbourhoods? Yep, that's fine. No "laws" being broken there. Just don't go paddle boarding all by yourself on the ocean. You'll get a ticket.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Under what grounds do the Democrats have the right to take Trump's tax records as a PRIVATE citizen and make them public? What law exactly are they trying to "enforce" here?

It actually is in the law, with limits. Same applies to any tax return.