End the Lockdown

petros

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If a bioweapon from a shady Commie country gets loose and the cover up fails, what should we do, all get it at once making treatment impossible?
 

Walter

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Around 60,000,000 people die each year. About 120,00 have allegedly died so far of the Wuflu. That's 0.002% of the yearly death toll. End the lockdown.
 

Blackleaf

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Some MailOnline comments:

escochapo888, London, United Kingdom, about a minute ago

I genuinely don't know what the government tactic is here. Capacity has been increased to cope with the numbers and protect the NHS, the only people who are being tested are ministers (family), royalty and celebrities. They keep talking about the curve, so the tactic is to accept the deaths and just hope for the best until it comes down. No mass testing, so how is that protecting the NHS, it's just allowing the virus to spread amongst the communities. We clearly can't be in lockdown for too long as the economy will just collapse.
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Mikemikerophone, Crewe, United Kingdom, about a minute ago

Lockdown is a waste of time , no true scientific evidence for it, imperial college have never forecast anything correct...infection could be half of population , because they haven't bothered to do representative sample tests , so we don't know where we are , Its not exactly the bubonic plague killing 33% of the population Total deaths 1st quarter are less than 2918 , and deaths from respiratory illnesses are similar , so where is this crisis, except in the mind...
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MissNJ, Greater Manchester, United Kingdom, about a minute ago

Dont believe the figures
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Default OC, Westminster , United Kingdom, about a minute ago

Raab is right, the worst is yet to come, the aftermath of this lock down, no money, 5 Million unemployed, crime through the roof, even nice peaceful people will steal when they have no food.
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Angry Albert, West Mids., United Kingdom, 3 minutes ago

I know it's splitting hairs but why do the media when they declare the new deaths each day not explain the figures more clearly . Eg todays death toll 717 but it was actually 118 in the uk hospitals 537 between 1 to the 11 April and the rest from March Or are they manipulating the figures to keep the pressure up ! Figures from sky news .
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Fiveto, Middle earth, United Kingdom, moments ago

I am getting concerned about how doctors are able to diagnose Covid as cause of death just because the symptoms were so similar to Covid. Its all wrong. Covid has to definitively be the cause of death to be included in the Covid stats. I guess very few are getting post mortems.
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TheRealDianeAbacus, London, United Kingdom, 6 minutes ago

Yet again about 95% of the dead had existing health problems. And how many of the 5% 'healthy' people were either obese or overweight, as we now know these are important factors involved.
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st2, southsea, 8 minutes ago

The worst is yet to come? Because the numbers are fabricated anyway?
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Business-owner3, London, United Kingdom, 13 minutes ago

End lockdown now Im not sitting here like a sitting duck to watch my business lost, income gone, family home gone and any family security Ive worked night and day for, just completely unrealistic to carry on with this madness!
 

Blackleaf

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Yeah. That'll be a great comfort to the millions of people who can't work, the millions of kids losing out on an education which will have a detrimental effect on the rest of their lives, and the millions not being able to see their loved ones.

"We mustn't grumble. There are killer whales that live in swimming pools."

What people need right now is an end to lockdown. Not pointless woke memes.
 

Serryah

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Thankfully not all people in Britain are as idiotic as Blackie.


The nurse friends I have in the NHS are like nurses in a lot of places, doing the jobs despite personal risk and risks to their family.


Thank goodness BoJo saw the light.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Thankfully not all people in Britain are as idiotic as Blackie.
The nurse friends I have in the NHS are like nurses in a lot of places, doing the jobs despite personal risk and risks to their family.
Thank goodness BoJo saw the light.
Yeah, a few days in the ICU'll do that, to all but the densest among us.
 

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Sweden takes softer approach to coronavirus lockdown even as deaths rise
BY DAVID KEYTON AND VANESSA GERA THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Posted April 13, 2020 6:13 am
Crowds swarm Stockholm’s waterfront, with some people sipping cocktails in the sun. In much of the world, this sort of gathering would be frowned upon or even banned.
Not in Sweden.
It doesn’t worry Anders Tegnell, the country’s chief epidemiologist and top strategist in the fight against the coronavirus pandemic.
The 63-year-old has become a household name in Sweden, appearing across the media and holding daily briefings outlining the progression of the outbreak with a precise, quiet demeanor.
As countries across Europe have restricted the movement of their citizens, Sweden stands out for what Tegnell calls a “low-scale” approach that “is much more sustainable” over a longer period.

President Donald Trump has suggested that a rising number of COVID-19 deaths indicate Sweden is paying a heavy price for embracing the idea of herd immunity — that is, letting many individuals get sick to build up immunity in the population. He said: “Sweden did that — the herd. They called (it) the herd. Sweden is suffering very, very badly. It’s a way of doing it.”
But Swedish Health Minister Lena Hallengren recently told The Associated Press: “We have never had a strategy for herd immunity.”

So far, Sweden has banned gatherings larger than 50 people, closed high schools and universities, and urged those over 70 or otherwise at greater risk from the virus to self-isolate.
The softer approach means that schools for younger children, restaurants and most businesses are still open, creating the impression that Swedes are living their lives as usual.
“Society is functioning, but I think it’s quite limited,” Klockar said. “Other than this sort of situation — schools, soccer practice — we basically stay at home.”
And while most businesses in Sweden are still operating, the economic cost of the pandemic is already being felt. Last week, 25,350 Swedes registered as unemployed, according to the Stockholm Chamber of Commerce — a larger increase than during the 2008 financial crisis.
In contrast, just across a narrow strip of sea, neighboring Denmark is already talking about reopening society. They imposed a much stricter lockdown four weeks ago, closing borders, schools and businesses. This week, the prime minister said by acting early, Denmark averted the tragedy that struck hard-hit nations like Italy and Spain, which together have seen at least 37,000 virus-related deaths, and will be ready after Easter for a slow return to normal life that starts with reopening preschools and primary schools.

For weeks, the numbers of COVID-19 cases and fatalities were proportionally similar between Sweden and Denmark, but while the economic results of the strict isolation are being felt in Denmark, Sweden’s mortality rate has reached more than 88 dead per million, compared with around 47 dead per million in Denmark.

Sweden, with a population of 10 million, has registered 899 deaths, while Denmark, with 5.8 million people, has 273 deaths. Worldwide, the virus has infected a reported 1.8 million people and killed 114,000, according to a tally by Johns Hopkins University. Still, due to limited testing, different ways of counting the dead and deliberate under-counting by some governments, experts believe those numbers vastly understate the pandemic’s true toll.
After a sharp spike in deaths in Sweden, Prime Minister Stefan Lofven proposed an emergency law allowing the quick closure of public venues and transportation if needed. Lofven also warned citizens to prepare for possibly up to thousands of deaths.
Nevertheless, Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist, insists that Sweden’s approach still seems to make sense, though he also acknowledges that the world is in uncharted territory with the virus.

“I think both Norway and Denmark are now very concerned about how you stop this complete lockdown in a way so you don’t cause this wave to come immediately when you start loosening up,” he said.
He said authorities know that the physical distancing Swedes are engaging in works, because officials have recorded a sudden end to the flu season and to a winter vomiting illness.
Lars Ostergaard, chief consultant and professor at the Department of Infectious Diseases at Aarhus University Hospital in Denmark, agrees it is too soon to know which approach is best.
“Every day a person is not being infected because of the strict lockdown, we are a day closer to a cure,” Ostergaard said, underlining the advantage of the Danish approach. But he acknowledges that the long-term consequences of a locked-down community could also be “substantial.”
“There is no right or wrong way,” Ostergaard said. “No one has walked this path before, and only the aftermath will show who made the best decision.”
https://globalnews.ca/news/6811158/coronavirus-sweden-lockdown-measures/


 

Blackleaf

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If the lockdowns have worked, end them.

If they haven't worked, then they are useless, so end them.