Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban

Tecumsehsbones

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What government project has ever cost less than private?
Panama Canal. Came in on time and under budget.
May 2018:
Gender impact studies, endless indigenous consultations, stalling, intentional obfuscation, introduction of anti-pipeline legislation, anti-tanker legislation, anti-resource development legislation, encouragement of rail blockades, on and on and on....
How many Canadians does it take to change a lightbulb?

Five. . .

One to drive across the border and buy the new lightbulb at an American outlet mall.

One to complain that not enough women, minorities, FNs, Francophones, and disabled people were involved in the decision to change the lightbulb.

One to inspect the lightbulb-changing area for safety and environmental impacts.

One to translate the whole thing into French. Aaaaand. . .

One to drop the puck.
 

Hoid

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What government project has ever cost less than private?

Government has had to complete every big project .

Canals?

Government.

Railroads?

Government.

Ports and bridges and highways?

Government.

Schools and hospitals?

Government.

When the stock market crashes and everybody goes out of business who steps in and saves the day and pays all the bills?

Government
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Government has had to complete every big project .
Canals?
Government.
Actually, down hereabouts, two similar canal projects were kicked off at the same time in the early 1800s: the C&O Canal and the Erie Canal. The C&O was private, and was widely touted as such. The Erie Canal was government project.

History regards the Erie Canal as the most successful canal project in American history, and the C&O as an utter failure.
 

JLM

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Government has had to complete every big project .

Canals?

Government.

Railroads?

Government.

Ports and bridges and highways?

Government.

Schools and hospitals?

Government.

When the stock market crashes and everybody goes out of business who steps in and saves the day and pays all the bills?

Government


Government would be good if it could just get rid of the bureaucraps. :)
 

taxslave

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Government has had to complete every big project .
Canals?
Government.
Railroads?
Government.
Ports and bridges and highways?
Government.
Schools and hospitals?
Government.
When the stock market crashes and everybody goes out of business who steps in and saves the day and pays all the bills?
Government
All of which are government responsibilities. Done with and endless supply of tax money. If you ever decide to work for a living instead of sponging off the parental units go work on a government financed project and see the waste first hand. It is truly mind blowing. That is why Port Mann bridge was built private. Saved hundreds of millions.
 

Decapoda

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Government has had to complete every big project .


When are you going to learn how to read? Or are you being intentionally disingenuous? Or is simple comprehension your problem? Hard to know with you.

But since you have twisted this into some irrelevant talking point about how previous governments have successfully completed projects, you have done a fantastic job of illustrating just how abysmally incompetent the Trudeau government has been in comparison to all previous governments who have actually been able to get something done. Good job sport.
 

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Government has had to complete every big project .
Canals?
Government.
Railroads?
Government.
Ports and bridges and highways?
Government.
Schools and hospitals?
Government.
When the stock market crashes and everybody goes out of business who steps in and saves the day and pays all the bills?
Government

Who is blocking pipelines to Nova Scotia?

The Quebec government.

Who is providing oil tankers to Nova Scotia?

It sure as hell isn't the Quebec government.
 

Hoid

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When are you going to learn how to read? Or are you being intentionally disingenuous? Or is simple comprehension your problem? Hard to know with you.

But since you have twisted this into some irrelevant talking point about how previous governments have successfully completed projects, you have done a fantastic job of illustrating just how abysmally incompetent the Trudeau government has been in comparison to all previous governments who have actually been able to get something done. Good job sport.
there is no way private enterprise can complete the major projects that society needs to complete.
 

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Supreme Court will not hear Trans Mountain pipeline expansion appeal cases

OTTAWA — The Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project has cleared another legal hurdle.
The Supreme Court of Canada has decided not to hear five challenges from environment and Indigenous groups from British Columbia.


Some wanted the top court to consider whether the Liberal cabinet violated the Species at Risk Act when it decided to approve the pipeline expansion a second time in June 2019, arguing the project would harm highly endangered southern resident killer whales.
The Federal Court of Appeal had overturned cabinet's first approval of the pipeline in 2018, citing insufficient consultation with Indigenous Peoples and a failure to take the impacts on marine animals into account.
After another round of Indigenous consultations and a second look at marine impacts, cabinet gave a second green light, but the same Indigenous communities and environment groups that successfully challenged the approval in 2018 filed new appeals in 2019.
The Federal Court of Appeal heard — and dismissed last month — appeals from Indigenous communities over whether there had been enough consultation, but declined to hear arguments from the environment groups.
B.C. Nature, the Raincoast Conservation Foundation and the Living Oceans Society, the Tsleil-Waututh First Nation, the Squamish First Nation and a group of four young people then asked the highest court for a review. These are the cases the Supreme Court chose not to hear.
As usual, the Supreme Court did not give any reasons for its decision released Thursday.
Misty MacDuffee, a conservation biologist and program director with Raincoast Conservation Foundation, said the legislation aimed at protecting at-risk species requires governments to ensure endangered populations are protected.
There are fewer than 75 southern resident killer whales left and MacDuffee said they would be harmed by the noise from the expected increase in oil tankers carrying diluted bitumen from the expanded pipeline.
MacDuffee said there is no technology now that can reduce the impacts that noise from the boats would have on the whales, which means forging ahead with the pipeline is inconsistent with upholding the legislation.
"The effects have to be mitigated for the project to proceed and none of that has happened in Trans Mountain," MacDuffee said earlier this year.
The environment groups that mounted the legal challenges to the pipeline reacted with disappointment to the Supreme Court decision Thursday.
Margot Venton, a lawyer for EcoJustice representing Raincoast in the appeal, said the ruling means construction on the Trans Mountain pipeline project will be allowed to proceed, despite the fact it will push an endangered population towards extinction.
"This scenario should serve as a wake-up call. The Species at Risk Act is a strong law on paper. But if the government is allowed to shirk its responsibilities under that law, then there is something fundamentally wrong with how Canadian species protection works in practice," Venton said in a statement Thursday.
Karen Wristen, executive director of Living Oceans Society, which partnered with Raincoast in its appeal, said she is "deeply concerned" about what the court's decision will mean for the future of the southern resident killer whales.
"As of this past summer, only 73 southern residents remained. Another whale, L41, has gone missing since then and is presumed dead," she said.
"This iconic population already faces more threats than it can withstand, including a critical shortage of Chinook salmon, the whales' main prey, ocean traffic and noise, and pollution. It is difficult to imagine how the whales could survive additional threats from Trans Mountain-related shipping — not to mention a potential catastrophic oil spill."
Alberta's Energy Minister Sonya Savage reacted more positively, saying Thursday the top court's decision further clears the way for Trans Mountain to be completed.
She expressed concern, however, over the protests and barricades that blocked rail and road traffic in many parts of the country through most of February in opposition to a separate natural-gas pipeline in northern British Columbia.
The actions were in solidarity with a group of Wet'suwet'en hereditary chiefs and their supporters who oppose the pipeline on their traditional land.
Savage charged that "well-funded and organized groups" that joined the Wet'suwet'en protests could "stand in opposition to future major infrastructure projects, especially oil and gas."
"This type of unrest has serious ramifications on not just Alberta's economy, but all of Canada's. These protesters do not speak on behalf of First Nations, but actually stand in the way of First Nations becoming true partners in prosperity. The rule of law must be maintained so that these projects can be completed on time and on schedule."

edit: Sorry for the double post Mowich I should have went back one page, instead of just to the top of the page, before posting
 

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So. . . basically, the Supreme Court is saying "Will you all just eff off and work it out amongst yourselves?"

Good move, Supreme Court.


Yeah...basically. Now that the SCC has slammed the door on litigation, we should start to see blockades, civil lawlessness and eco-terrorism on a compounded scale not yet seen in this country. If an inconspicuous little LNG pipeline in Northern BC initiates a response that ends up shutting down rail transport in most of Canada for weeks, is there anyone that honestly believes TMX is going to be completed without a hitch with such a feeble, inept buffoon running the show in this country?

Coastal Gaslink was a kindergarten concert compared to the symphony of radical lawless protest that we are about to experience from TMX. We have a government in place that has proven they have no desire or intention on resisting such action....the trial run has been overwhelmingly successful for lawless protest, and the green light has been given to burn it all down. Should be a fun summer.
 

Ron in Regina

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So. . . basically, the Supreme Court is saying "Will you all just eff off and work it out amongst yourselves?"

Good move, Supreme Court.
Funny they wouldn't do this before the project was screwed into a hole by the current Fed Gov't and then purchased by the Fed's to keep it from being cancelled completely...but whatever. Justice being blind and all.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Funny they wouldn't do this before the project was screwed into a hole by the current Fed Gov't and then purchased by the Fed's to keep it from being cancelled completely...but whatever. Justice being blind and all.
The legal system works slowly. That can be real annoying, and sometimes tragic, but would you really want the judges jumping in and settling every question conclusively and permanently, early in the process?

You risk making judges the lords of creation. Trust me, I know a lot of judges. They ain't up to the task.
 

Ron in Regina

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The legal system works slowly. That can be real annoying, and sometimes tragic, but would you really want the judges jumping in and settling every question conclusively and permanently, early in the process?

You risk making judges the lords of creation. Trust me, I know a lot of judges. They ain't up to the task.
Brother-in-Law is one (Currently a Federal Adjudicator as a title). He's a down to Earth Good Guy, but I hear what you're saying.
 

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GOSH THAT IS A CLEVER OBSERVATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LETS SEE NOW.............................


THREE YEARS WORTH OF general Cdn INFLATION....................................


Not to mention Yankee tariffs on steel and aluminum..................................



ENDLESS AIR FLIGHTS FOR LIE-beral "NEGOTIATORS" TO GO TALK TO "HEREDITARY CHIEFS".......................


NOT TO MENTION THE COST OF FOOD AND HOTELS.........................


AND THERE IS ALSO THE EXTRA BRIBE MONEY THAT IS BEING SHOVELED OUT....................


TO PLACATE SOME OF THE MORE AGREEABLE NATIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Then pay for most of the environmental assessments TO BE RE-DONE........................................



Then add all these UNPLANNED EXTRA COSTS.......................................


and try to guess why the pipeline is COSTING MORE THAN PLANNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THEN CONSIDER THAT Our idiot Boy Justin TOLD US he wanted to KILL the entire Cdn oil patch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And that he would do so by pushing the price of oil and natural gas SO HIGH......................


that we could NOT AFFORD TO USE IT EVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Within that context - the SOARING PRICE TAG FOR THE PIPELINE........................


LOOKS PERFECTLY LOGICAL AND LIE-beral style SENSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The soaring cost of the pipeline IS LIE-beral POLICY IN SUCCESSFUL ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



As I have said all along - the pipeline WILL BE COMPLETED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AFTER Our idiot Boy Justin and his loser LIE-berals HIT THE UNEMPLOYMENT LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And a NEW GOVT TAKES OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






IN the latest news...............................


our LIE-beral overlords have just announced they will pay Mohawks $240 MILLION DOLLARS...........................


to make them feel better about taking down the blockades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the Tyendinaga reserve will be expanded by 8000 acres!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nice deal if you can get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

spilledthebeer

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Who is blocking pipelines to Nova Scotia?

The Quebec government.

Who is providing oil tankers to Nova Scotia?

It sure as hell isn't the Quebec government.




OH COME NOW BONDO...................................


TO BE FAIR THE QUEBEC GOVT IS GETTING MAJOR HELP......................................


FROM Our idiot Boyn and his loser LIE-berals regarding the pipe line blocking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



As for the tankers on the CANADIAN east coast..................................................


Ships with Home ports in places like Monrovia. Liberia and Panama are FAIRLY COMMON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And they aint govt owned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

spilledthebeer

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there is no way private enterprise can complete the major projects that society needs to complete.






HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SILLY little boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Kinder Morgan pipeline WOULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.........................................


by private enterprise.......................................



if LIE-beral govt had not allowed it to be deliberately SABOTAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dont you find it annoying to be ALWAYS WRONG?????????????????????????????