To IMPEACH ????

[Ocean Breeze]

Trump is fully responsible for escalating tensions in Iran and Iraq. His knee jerk reaction to rumour and having the Iranian general assassinated is all on his shoulders. He is a dangerous moron with too much power.

spot on!!!.........and too many weapons at his disposal. He is far to o irresponsible , incompetent & dangerous for the job. He behaves as if he is on some version of Reality TV.......not comprehending the full impact of what he is doing and the consequences of his behavior. He is now responsible for a lot of innocent lives.......and his stupid supporters still protect him.......... Regardless of who shot that missile........from Iran.........TRUMP and TRUMP alone is responsible for all those deaths on that plane because HE triggered the series of events that came after HIS assassination order.

This does not begin to cover the number of lives and careers he has destroyed. Sadistic menace that he is.

 

[Mockingbird]

very well articulated. Bravo.
He is not fit for the job. Agree on your term of "hate rally" as that is what it is. You are right about his negative energy influencing and reinforcing his mob like groupies. Wonder if his mob would drink poisoned Koolaide to show their reverence to him. He is dangerous.....and yet the rep party PROTECTS him with a fanaticism seen only in cults.
You know...technically it is trump's fault that the passenger plane was shot down. It was a human error....according to Iran....... done during the strikes on US elements in Iraq.......and the plane was an unintended consequence.
It is a chain effect.......that was triggered by the assassination via Trump.

Thanks, I call it like I see it, and don't hold back. I too have wondered on the kool-aid myself lol.

Is Trump solely at fault for the plane being targeted? Well, some may see it that way but then we could go back to the Iranians killing the contractor as being the beginning of the so called butter fly effect here. It is heartbreaking that this happened to those most unfortunate families, such a tragic outcome.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Thanks, I call it like I see it, and don't hold back. I too have wondered on the kool-aid myself lol.

Is Trump solely at fault for the plane being targeted? Well, some may see it that way but then we could go back to the Iranians killing the contractor as being the beginning of the so called butter fly effect here. It is heartbreaking that this happened to those most unfortunate families, such a tragic outcome.

No.Trump is not "solely" responsible for the plane crash............but he created the series of events that got that plane destroyed..He shares the responsibility with the one that fired that missile.

The horror of that destruction is almost to o much to absorb. It is mind numbing.

 

[Cliffy]

Thanks, I call it like I see it, and don't hold back. I too have wondered on the kool-aid myself lol.

Is Trump solely at fault for the plane being targeted? Well, some may see it that way but then we could go back to the Iranians killing the contractor as being the beginning of the so called butter fly effect here. It is heartbreaking that this happened to those most unfortunate families, such a tragic outcome.

Well, if you want to get technical, it all goes back to 1953 when the US interfering in Iranian affairs to get the Shah installed and the elected president evicted.

 

[Mockingbird]

No.Trump is not "solely" responsible for the plane crash............but he created the series of events that got that plane destroyed..He shares the responsibility with the one that fired that missile.
The horror of that destruction is almost to o much to absorb. It is mind numbing.

I agree that it's a shared responsibility which led to what appears to be an unfortunate, horrible accident.

It is too much....

 

[Mockingbird]

Well, if you want to get technical, it all goes back to 1953 when the US interfering in Iranian affairs to get the Shah installed and the elected president evicted.

The history of America/the Middle East runs long and deep.

 

[Mockingbird]

excellent source. Thanks for posting it.

My pleasure. I get frustrated at times hearing that some think he did not commit abuse of power, he clearly did and it IS an impeachable offense.

 

[JLM]

My pleasure. I get frustrated at times hearing that some think he did not commit abuse of power, he clearly did and it IS an impeachable offense.

"Innocent until proven guilty"!

 

[JLM]

No.Trump is not "solely" responsible for the plane crash............but he created the series of events that got that plane destroyed..He shares the responsibility with the one that fired that missile.

The horror of that destruction is almost to o much to absorb. It is mind numbing.

How so?

 

[JLM]

Thanks, I call it like I see it, and don't hold back. I too have wondered on the kool-aid myself lol.

Is Trump solely at fault for the plane being targeted? Well, some may see it that way but then we could go back to the Iranians killing the contractor as being the beginning of the so called butter fly effect here. It is heartbreaking that this happened to those most unfortunate families, such a tragic outcome.

Absolutely, but still nothing to do with Trump.

 

[Mockingbird]

Absolutely, but still nothing to do with Trump.

Eh, all parties involved are culpable in this to a degree. Had things not escalated as they did as of late it's unlikely that this plane would have been shot down. I don't say this in a finger pointing accusatory way, rather in a "butterfly effect" sad sort of way.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

I agree that it's a shared responsibility which led to what appears to be an unfortunate, horrible accident.

It is too much....

understand completely. Each time I see the images from the site on TV.....I shudder at the loss of life.....one can only hope they did not suffer. The passengers from CDA included many professional and accomplished people. Totally heartbreaking.

Can you imagine if any Americans had been on board?? Trump still brags that no Americans were hurt in Iran's retaliatory attacks.


What is really crazy...... the US down an Iranian plane in the eighties......and never bothered to even apologize. I had forgotten about that one util some talking head on the new mentioned it.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Eh, all parties involved are culpable in this to a degree. Had things not escalated as they did as of late it's unlikely that this plane would have been shot down. I don't say this in a finger pointing accusatory way, rather in a "butterfly effect" sad sort of way.

What is really sad and compounds the issue is that none of the people that contributed to this escalation and tragedy will be held to account. The Iranians might deal with the one who actually launched the missile in their own "style of justice":.......just to make a point.

 

[Mockingbird]

understand completely. Each time I see the images from the site on TV.....I shudder at the loss of life.....one can only hope they did not suffer. The passengers from CDA included many professional and accomplished people. Totally heartbreaking.
Can you imagine if any Americans had been on board?? Trump still brags that no Americans were hurt in Iran's retaliatory attacks.
What is really crazy...... the US down an Iranian plane in the eighties......and never bothered to even apologize. I had forgotten about that one util some talking head on the new mentioned it.

Reagan did make a statement, was it an apology per se? Guess that depends on the audience. The statement:

I am saddened to report that it appears that in a proper defensive action by the U.S.S. Vincennes this morning in the Persian Gulf an Iranian airliner was shot down over the Strait of Hormuz. This is a terrible human tragedy. Our sympathy and condolences go out to the passengers, crew, and their families. The Defense Department will conduct a full investigation.

We deeply regret any loss of life. The course of the Iranian civilian airliner was such that it was headed directly for the U.S.S. Vincennes, which was at the time engaged with five Iranian Boghammar boats that had attacked our forces. When the aircraft failed to heed repeated warnings, the Vincennes followed standing orders and widely publicized procedures, firing to protect itself against possible attack.

The only U.S. interest in the Persian Gulf is peace, and this tragedy reinforces the need to achieve that goal with all possible speed.

Source:

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/doc...-the-united-states-navy-over-the-persian-gulf

 

[JLM]

Reagan did make a statement, was it an apology per say? Guess that depends on the audience. The statement:



https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/doc...-the-united-states-navy-over-the-persian-gulf

Are you talking about per se?

 

[Mockingbird]

understand completely. Each time I see the images from the site on TV.....I shudder at the loss of life.....one can only hope they did not suffer. The passengers from CDA included many professional and accomplished people. Totally heartbreaking.
Can you imagine if any Americans had been on board?? Trump still brags that no Americans were hurt in Iran's retaliatory attacks.
What is really crazy...... the US down an Iranian plane in the eighties......and never bothered to even apologize. I had forgotten about that one util some talking head on the new mentioned it.

If any Americans were on board I think there would have been an immediate response by the US. Trump brags about everything, it's nauseating.

 

[Mockingbird]

Are you talking about per se?

Typo fixed, thank you officer spellcheck.

 

[Mockingbird]

"Innocent until proven guilty"!

Quite right, which will not happen in the current Senate as a fair trial will be denied.

Took a few extra seconds prior to posting to be sure there were no errors, do I get a pass on this one?

 

[Mockingbird]

What is really sad and compounds the issue is that none of the people that contributed to this escalation and tragedy will be held to account. The Iranians might deal with the one who actually launched the missile in their own "style of justice":.......just to make a point.

It is a sad reality, you are right about that. If it was clearly an accident I don't know if the person directly responsible should face justice in a harsh way. We don't know if an order was given etc. and so it's a tough call. So very sad for the family members of those lost. In the end such a senseless death for all those poor souls.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

If any Americans were on board I think there would have been an immediate response by the US. Trump brags about everything, it's nauseating.

Agree.....and yes...it is nauseating.. and more than a little scary. what I find so concerning is that he is prepared to go it aloe.....like a dictator.........ignoring the other branches of gov't....... as if He is the only one that matters in any major decision making. THAT is NOT democracy. The way he controls the senate now in relationship to the impeachment.......is also very authoritarian. Meanwhile his supporters in the senate et al........are just reinforcing his conduct......which encourages him to be even more outrageous. and dangerous.