Any rational thoughts about taxes? ......

[VIBC]

Canada's tax rates are one of the highest in the world, at 38%.

Partly because it's a huge country with a small population, challenging terrain & harsh climates.

 

[VIBC]

America's is 21% and Britain's 19%.

Times and circumstances change; after the war, in Britain 'luxury' items were subject to 100% sales tax. I seem to recall luxury items included motor cars and washing machines.

 

[Blackleaf]

Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post
Tax corporations. 20% of all revenues. Eliminate all other taxes.

Then they'll just feck off elsewhere, fecking up the economy.

The only thing that you Lefties are able to do well is fecking up economies.

 

[Blackleaf]

Times and circumstances change; after the war, in Britain 'luxury' items were subject to 100% sales tax. I seem to recall luxury items included motor cars and washing machines.

It's 2020 now.

And becoming nationally broke was the price we deliberately paid to defeat fascism.

 

[VIBC]

It's 2020 now.

Thanks for that. It's actually January second here, where already times & circumstances have changed. ("What a difference a day makes.") Should we have phoned 911 this afternoon or will I be OK till tomorrow?

Everybody on earth has paid some price for the second world war and/or its consequences. I remember very well, how it affected my life, at the time and later.

 

[pgs]

So do you dispute his thought .

Do I dispute the statement that 'The only fair tax is a consumption tax" ?

Definitely. For a start it doesn't identify what's meant by 'fair.' People's ideas about that will be all over the map. And that's just for a start. Who or what would determines the levels of tax, and to which consumptions they are applied.

It's about as useful as saying rivers are the best kind of water.

Easy 5% of all transactions go to one level or other of government . Those that have more spend more , buy more expensive products or labour and consequently pay more . Fair and square , easy to calculate , cheaper and more efficient . Nah not enough bean counters , it is not fair to Spillthebeers favorite Unifor .

 

[pgs]

Tax corporations. 20% of all revenues. Eliminate all other taxes.

Who will pay for that ?

 

[pgs]

In the United States, corporations are taxed on profits, not revenues. And there are reams of exceptions built into the tax code that end up with many corporations, including some of the richest in the world, paying no income tax at all.

As in Canada , and it sucks , however any taxes corporations pay are ultimately paid by their customers.

 

[pgs]

Progressive consumption tax. https://www.forbes.com/sites/leonard.../#42dab9fa7c64

Haha, indigestion triumphs! Sorry but there's too much there that I don't have the patience (or intellect?) to follow. Makes tax theory look even more complex than I already imagined.

Exactly how they want you . Shut up and pay .

 

[pgs]

Who will pay for that ?

It really isn’t a bad idea , and could possibly work along with some sort of consumption tax . However we still must control and stop government growth and overreach.

 

[pgs]

Cutting services. Do you really need boulevards with flower gardens? How about rainbow crosswalks?

But the designer provided much help in my campaign and everyone knows her art is avant guard .

 

[pgs]

Progressive consumption tax. https://www.forbes.com/sites/leonard.../#42dab9fa7c64

Haha, indigestion triumphs! Sorry but there's too much there that I don't have the patience (or intellect?) to follow. Makes tax theory look even more complex than I already imagined.

So you want an intelligent discussion but don’t have the time or patience to consider alternatives .Are you sure you want an intelligent discussion?

 

[pgs]

Of course you think that, because in your knee-jerk truckling to corporations, you repeat whatever BS lines they feed you, and can't be bothered to think through the implications.

For example, the quoted passage is just a version of the old corporate threat when faced with any possibility of regulation, "We'll pass on those costs to consumers." Yeah, no shit, Sherlock. Corporations pass on all costs to consumers. It's called "pricing."

Should someone who is actually capable of thinking in anything other than pre-loaded sayings care to examine the implications, I'll be happy to lay it out for them. Say, maybe VIBC or Anna Ember.

Meanwhile, y'all have a real nice evening now, hear?

You as well , ya hear .

 

[pgs]

"Cutting services." is not a sentence. What do you mean by saying it?
Who, me? I don't need any of those things.

What a city needs, builds, maintains is decided by its citizens, via elections, referendums, activism, volunteering, apathy, rebellion etc etc. Individuals can be disappointed in the results but that's how things work.

By the way growing flowers costs little or nothing so why not have gardens? It's probably cheaper than paving.

So you aren’t really discussing you are justifying. Got it .

 

[VIBC]

Got it.

That could be a first if it was true.

 

[pgs]

Partly because it's a huge country with a small population, challenging terrain & harsh climates.

Yes and mostly because we have a bloated civil service at all levels , and our elected representatives do not care because for now everybody is healthy and wealthy . I am certainly glad I won’t be here in twenty or so years when those pension checks start defaulting .

 

[pgs]

That could be a first if it was true.

So shoot the messenger . Yup let’s have an intelligent discussion .

 

[taxslave]

But the designer provided much help in my campaign and everyone knows her art is avant guard .

Not my problem. Give her a tax receipt and she can deduct the outrageous price from income tax.

 

[taxslave]

So shoot the messenger . Yup let’s have an intelligent discussion .

Hard to do with unarmed opponents.

 

[taxslave]

Let us try for some rational ideas.
To start with I expect everyone in the country to have the same income and sales tax rules. That is what applies to status indians also applies to everyone else. Up to the politicians and courts that put us in this two tier citizenship position to figure out which way to go. No income tax on overtime hours. All that does is discourage ambition. Investment income gets taxed at the same rate as wages.
An export tax on all products and services outside canada. No matter if the company is foreign or Canadian owned.An inport tax along the same lines.