It's Climate Change I tell'ya!! IT'S CLIMATE CHANGE!!

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Why not collect those plastic bottles and recycle them ? Better then taking pictures .
 

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Why not collect those plastic bottles and recycle them ? Better then taking pictures .




Cliffy thinks natives SHOULD BE PAID................................


to pick up their SH+T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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UN climate talks unravelling, face failure

Madrid (AFP) - A UN climate summit in Madrid risked collapsing Saturday after all-night negotiations between countries left them more divided than ever over on how to fight global warming and pay for its ravages.

Diplomats from rich nations, emerging giants and the world's poorest countries -- each for their own reasons -- found fault in a draft agreement put forward by host Chile in a botched attempt to strike common ground.

Faced with five-alarm warnings from science, deadly extreme weather made worse by climate change, and weekly strikes by millions of young people, negotiations in Madrid were under pressure to send a clear signal that governments are willing to double down in tackling the crisis.

But the 12-day talks, now deep into overtime, had retreated even further from this goal on Saturday.

"It appears that we are going backwards on the issue of ambition when we should be calling for a quantum leap in the other direction," Marshall Islands climate envoy Tina Stege said.

"I need to go home and look my children in the eye and say we got an outcome that is going to ensure their future, and the future of all of our children," she added, a catch in her voice.

- Unprecedented disconnect -

Veteran observers of UN climate talks were stunned by the state of play nearly 24 hours after the negotiations had been set to close.

"I have never seen such a disconnect between what the science requires and the people of the world demand, versus what the climate negotiations are delivering," Alden Meyer, strategy and policy director at the Union of Concerned Scientists, told AFP.

Under the Paris accord, countries agreed in 2015 to work to limit global temperature rises to "well below" two degrees Celsius through a series of voluntary action pledges that step up over time.

"The one thing in Paris that gave us hope was that the deal is going to be strengthened over time," said Mohamed Adow, Director of Power Shift Africa, referring to the 196-nation Paris climate treaty.

"If that doesn't come through, Madrid will have failed."

The push for a strengthening of voluntary carbon cutting plans is led by small-island and least-developed states, along with the European Union.

Ministers from this "high ambition coalition" have called out countries they see as blocking a consensus call for all countries to step up, notably the United States, Australia and Saudi Arabia.

China and India, the world's No. 1 and No. 4 carbon emitters, meanwhile, have made it clear they see no need to improve on their current emissions reduction plans, which run to 2030.

These emerging giants have chosen instead to emphasise the historical responsibility of rich nations to lead the way and provide financing to poor countries.

The COP 25 summit was also meant to finalise a chapter on carbon markets in the Paris rulebook, which goes into effect next year.

But a complicated wrangle over how to structure markets, and deal with carbon credits left over from the Kyoto Protocol, which expires at the end of 2020, have remained deadlocked, and may be punted to further talks next year.

- 'Prove it's worth it' -

The United States, which is leaving the landmark Paris climate deal next year, was accused of acting as a spoiler on a number of issues vital to climate-vulnerable nations.

This included so-called "loss and damage" funding to help disaster-hit countries repair and rebuild.

"The US has not come here in good faith," said Harjeet Singh, climate lead with charity ActionAid.

"They continue to block the world's efforts to help people whose lives have been turned upside down by climate change."

Even if nations in Madrid snatch victory from the jaws of defeat and agree to implement their pledges, Earth is on course to warm more than 3C by 2100.

"It is time for this process to prove that it is worth something," said the delegation of Colombia.

"If there was one time in the history when I would say governments ****ed up, I would say today in Madrid, governments ****ed up," Adow said.

"People across the world must rise to save the planet."

news.yahoo.com/un-climate-talks-unraveling-face-failure-110423955.html
 

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They ran out of time. GSM hit forcing a colder climate before they could convert us to Communism. They can't say; "look it worked, it cooled off".
 

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UN climate talks unravelling, face failure

Madrid (AFP) - A UN climate summit in Madrid risked collapsing Saturday after all-night negotiations between countries left them more divided than ever over on how to fight global warming and pay for its ravages.

Diplomats from rich nations, emerging giants and the world's poorest countries -- each for their own reasons -- found fault in a draft agreement put forward by host Chile in a botched attempt to strike common ground.

Faced with five-alarm warnings from science, deadly extreme weather made worse by climate change, and weekly strikes by millions of young people, negotiations in Madrid were under pressure to send a clear signal that governments are willing to double down in tackling the crisis.

But the 12-day talks, now deep into overtime, had retreated even further from this goal on Saturday.

"It appears that we are going backwards on the issue of ambition when we should be calling for a quantum leap in the other direction," Marshall Islands climate envoy Tina Stege said.

"I need to go home and look my children in the eye and say we got an outcome that is going to ensure their future, and the future of all of our children," she added, a catch in her voice.

- Unprecedented disconnect -

Veteran observers of UN climate talks were stunned by the state of play nearly 24 hours after the negotiations had been set to close.

"I have never seen such a disconnect between what the science requires and the people of the world demand, versus what the climate negotiations are delivering," Alden Meyer, strategy and policy director at the Union of Concerned Scientists, told AFP.

Under the Paris accord, countries agreed in 2015 to work to limit global temperature rises to "well below" two degrees Celsius through a series of voluntary action pledges that step up over time.

"The one thing in Paris that gave us hope was that the deal is going to be strengthened over time," said Mohamed Adow, Director of Power Shift Africa, referring to the 196-nation Paris climate treaty.

"If that doesn't come through, Madrid will have failed."

The push for a strengthening of voluntary carbon cutting plans is led by small-island and least-developed states, along with the European Union.

Ministers from this "high ambition coalition" have called out countries they see as blocking a consensus call for all countries to step up, notably the United States, Australia and Saudi Arabia.

China and India, the world's No. 1 and No. 4 carbon emitters, meanwhile, have made it clear they see no need to improve on their current emissions reduction plans, which run to 2030.

These emerging giants have chosen instead to emphasise the historical responsibility of rich nations to lead the way and provide financing to poor countries.

The COP 25 summit was also meant to finalise a chapter on carbon markets in the Paris rulebook, which goes into effect next year.

But a complicated wrangle over how to structure markets, and deal with carbon credits left over from the Kyoto Protocol, which expires at the end of 2020, have remained deadlocked, and may be punted to further talks next year.

- 'Prove it's worth it' -

The United States, which is leaving the landmark Paris climate deal next year, was accused of acting as a spoiler on a number of issues vital to climate-vulnerable nations.

This included so-called "loss and damage" funding to help disaster-hit countries repair and rebuild.

"The US has not come here in good faith," said Harjeet Singh, climate lead with charity ActionAid.

"They continue to block the world's efforts to help people whose lives have been turned upside down by climate change."

Even if nations in Madrid snatch victory from the jaws of defeat and agree to implement their pledges, Earth is on course to warm more than 3C by 2100.

"It is time for this process to prove that it is worth something," said the delegation of Colombia.

"If there was one time in the history when I would say governments ****ed up, I would say today in Madrid, governments ****ed up," Adow said.

"People across the world must rise to save the planet."

news.yahoo.com/un-climate-talks-unraveling-face-failure-110423955.html
Lots of hands out , looking for some free gravy .
Give us MONEY .
 

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UN climate talks unravelling, face failure
Madrid (AFP) - A UN climate summit in Madrid risked collapsing Saturday after all-night negotiations between countries left them more divided than ever over on how to fight global warming and pay for its ravages.
Diplomats from rich nations, emerging giants and the world's poorest countries -- each for their own reasons -- found fault in a draft agreement put forward by host Chile in a botched attempt to strike common ground.
Faced with five-alarm warnings from science, deadly extreme weather made worse by climate change, and weekly strikes by millions of young people, negotiations in Madrid were under pressure to send a clear signal that governments are willing to double down in tackling the crisis.
But the 12-day talks, now deep into overtime, had retreated even further from this goal on Saturday.
"It appears that we are going backwards on the issue of ambition when we should be calling for a quantum leap in the other direction," Marshall Islands climate envoy Tina Stege said.
"I need to go home and look my children in the eye and say we got an outcome that is going to ensure their future, and the future of all of our children," she added, a catch in her voice.
- Unprecedented disconnect -
Veteran observers of UN climate talks were stunned by the state of play nearly 24 hours after the negotiations had been set to close.
"I have never seen such a disconnect between what the science requires and the people of the world demand, versus what the climate negotiations are delivering," Alden Meyer, strategy and policy director at the Union of Concerned Scientists, told AFP.
Under the Paris accord, countries agreed in 2015 to work to limit global temperature rises to "well below" two degrees Celsius through a series of voluntary action pledges that step up over time.
"The one thing in Paris that gave us hope was that the deal is going to be strengthened over time," said Mohamed Adow, Director of Power Shift Africa, referring to the 196-nation Paris climate treaty.
"If that doesn't come through, Madrid will have failed."
The push for a strengthening of voluntary carbon cutting plans is led by small-island and least-developed states, along with the European Union.
Ministers from this "high ambition coalition" have called out countries they see as blocking a consensus call for all countries to step up, notably the United States, Australia and Saudi Arabia.
China and India, the world's No. 1 and No. 4 carbon emitters, meanwhile, have made it clear they see no need to improve on their current emissions reduction plans, which run to 2030.
These emerging giants have chosen instead to emphasise the historical responsibility of rich nations to lead the way and provide financing to poor countries.
The COP 25 summit was also meant to finalise a chapter on carbon markets in the Paris rulebook, which goes into effect next year.
But a complicated wrangle over how to structure markets, and deal with carbon credits left over from the Kyoto Protocol, which expires at the end of 2020, have remained deadlocked, and may be punted to further talks next year.
- 'Prove it's worth it' -
The United States, which is leaving the landmark Paris climate deal next year, was accused of acting as a spoiler on a number of issues vital to climate-vulnerable nations.
This included so-called "loss and damage" funding to help disaster-hit countries repair and rebuild.
"The US has not come here in good faith," said Harjeet Singh, climate lead with charity ActionAid.
"They continue to block the world's efforts to help people whose lives have been turned upside down by climate change."
Even if nations in Madrid snatch victory from the jaws of defeat and agree to implement their pledges, Earth is on course to warm more than 3C by 2100.
"It is time for this process to prove that it is worth something," said the delegation of Colombia.
"If there was one time in the history when I would say governments ****ed up, I would say today in Madrid, governments ****ed up," Adow said.
"People across the world must rise to save the planet."
news.yahoo.com/un-climate-talks-unraveling-face-failure-110423955.html

Ministers from this "high ambition coalition" have called out countries they see as blocking a consensus call for all countries to step up, notably the United States, Australia and Saudi Arabia.

Waaah the bad guys don't want to foot the bill of our world vision, the truly disappointing part of this article is that Canada isn't included in the above list
 

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The Business of Climate Change



By Rupert Darwall
December 12, 2019


MADRID

Saving the planet takes money, and lots of it. Money is both the theme and the subtext of the latest round of UN climate talks being held here—a vast river of cash flows through the UN climate process. Formally, the meeting is about nailing down one of the more obscure provisions of the Paris Agreement: Article 6, which provides for market-based instruments so that countries can trade their way out of their decarbonization commitments. Billions of cross-border dollars and transaction fees hang on the outcome.

With the negotiations concerning mind-paralyzing definitions of interest only to the most intrepid climate geeks, business and finance leaders could wind up taking center stage. When they first started coming to climate conferences, it was to observe and advise. Now it’s to show-and-tell their green virtue. “Momentum is there,” declared Paul Polman, the former Uniliver CEO. “Climate change is the biggest business opportunity of all time.” We’re close to several policy tipping points, he suggested.

The EU is about to approve a massive Green New Deal. Michael Bloomberg’s Task Force on Climate-related Financial Disclosures (TFCD) encourages companies to make voluntary climate-related risk disclosures. Draft EU regulations, meantime, could pave the way for mandatory climate disclosures that would force investment managers to justify their investments against climate and environmental benchmarks. Businesses are transitioning to “net zero,” Polman claims—meaning zero carbon emissions. They’re so far advanced that at this point, it’s only governments holding them back.

Peeling away the hype reveals a very different picture. Companies promising to cut their carbon emissions rely on offsetting—that is, paying for their consumption of hydrocarbon energy by supporting projects that reduce greenhouse-gas emissions, such as renewable energy. If companies were genuine in their commitment to tackle climate change, though, they would develop zero-carbon baselines for their own activities.

A growing number of companies boast about the proportion of wind and solar in their energy consumption. These claims rely on an entirely legal accounting fraud that says that renewable electricity can be stored; the physical reality is that electricity is consumed the instant that it’s generated. In peddling the falsehood that business and households can depend on anything close to 100% intermittent renewable energy, companies are misleading the public.

Rather than demonstrating a genuine – and painful – commitment to radical decarbonization, business leaders’ public professions of climate awareness reflect a confluence of interest between, on the one hand, corporate public-affairs departments steeped in doctrines of corporate social responsibility (CSR), and, on the other, nongovernmental organizations (NGOs). It’s a collusive process. The more environmental reporting requirements, the greater the importance of CSR in corporate hierarchies, the more work there is for external environmental consultants—and the greater the leverage NGOs wield over corporations.

Then there’s the psychology of herding, whereby CEOs are fearful of being hung out to dry if they don’t sign the latest statement pledging their company to save the world from climate breakdown. All this might remind readers of two groups in Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged: the Moochers, comprising, in this example, the craven CEOs and their in-house CSR crowd; and the Looters, the environmental NGOs. Their ultimate victim is capitalism, the only economic system ever to have produced durable, transformative economic growth.

Madrid also marks the debut of finance ministers at UN climate talks, with the formation of a coalition of finance ministers for climate action. Under their Santiago Action Plan, over 50 finance ministers, including most from the EU, pledged to incorporate climate-change considerations into economic policy and seek “analytical expertise” to put their economies on the path of “inclusive economics, social, and wider restructuring.”

The first rule of economic policymaking is that any government intervention in the economy involves trade-offs. In the case of decarbonization policies that drive up energy costs, “net zero” means zero growth. The en masse capitulation of finance ministries before the altar of climate change sends a negative signal about future economic growth. Patricia Espinosa, executive secretary of the UN climate-change convention, has already sent out invitations to finance ministers to attend next year’s talks. Once on the climate bandwagon, it’s almost impossible to get off.

Then there are those desperate to get on the climate bandwagon and never get off. Anyone who has attended a UN climate conference will have noticed that some of the best-dressed participants are from Africa’s poorest nations, some with chunky Rolexes on their wrists. The UN makes sure that they suffer no hardship from their climate-change-fighting efforts. The Daily Subsistence Allowance, once handed out in envelopes with $100 bills, is now disbursed in its plastic equivalent of Swiss value cards. NGOs, whose role at climate conferences is to act as the spontaneous expression of civil society, are also eligible. Unsurprisingly, youth NGOs want to get in on the DSA act, too.

The incentive this creates is to make the UN what its critics always accuse it of being: a talking shop. According to one estimate, participants in the Article 6 discussions have already spent 70,000 hours failing to define what a “market instrument” is. Why decide, when another comfortable meeting in another expensive city beckons?

When it comes to Article 6, rich nations want tight rules to ensure that their money won’t be used to fund phony emissions cuts. Environment ministries in poorer nations naturally see Article 6 as a stream of funding that will flow through them. In principle, though, it’s hard to see how an emissions market can work as intended, when developed nations with hard caps on their emissions can pay to outsource their cuts to nations with no caps and no rigorous inventory of greenhouse gases.

Back in the U.S., some 80 business leaders have signed a statement urging the U.S. to remain in the Paris Agreement, with its commitment to limit warming to 1.5 degrees Centigrade above pre-industrial levels. Anyone who has looked at the numbers and what they entail in terms of global emissions cuts knows that this is next to impossible. It’s conceivable that global greenhouse-gas emissions will plateau, but steep cuts to “zero” aren’t going to happen. But America must have a seat at the table, comes the response. Perhaps, then, to show that they have some skin in the game, these business leaders should endure thousands of hours of meetings trying to decide what a market instrument is.
 

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The Business of Climate Change



By Rupert Darwall
December 12, 2019


MADRID

Saving the planet takes money, and lots of it. Money is both the theme and the subtext of the latest round of UN climate talks being held here—a vast river of cash flows through the UN climate process. Formally, the meeting is about nailing down one of the more obscure provisions of the Paris Agreement: Article 6, which provides for market-based instruments so that countries can trade their way out of their decarbonization commitments. Billions of cross-border dollars and transaction fees hang on the outcome.

With the negotiations concerning mind-paralyzing definitions of interest only to the most intrepid climate geeks, business and finance leaders could wind up taking center stage. When they first started coming to climate conferences, it was to observe and advise. Now it’s to show-and-tell their green virtue. “Momentum is there,” declared Paul Polman, the former Uniliver CEO. “Climate change is the biggest business opportunity of all time.” We’re close to several policy tipping points, he suggested.

The EU is about to approve a massive Green New Deal. Michael Bloomberg’s Task Force on Climate-related Financial Disclosures (TFCD) encourages companies to make voluntary climate-related risk disclosures. Draft EU regulations, meantime, could pave the way for mandatory climate disclosures that would force investment managers to justify their investments against climate and environmental benchmarks. Businesses are transitioning to “net zero,” Polman claims—meaning zero carbon emissions. They’re so far advanced that at this point, it’s only governments holding them back.

Peeling away the hype reveals a very different picture. Companies promising to cut their carbon emissions rely on offsetting—that is, paying for their consumption of hydrocarbon energy by supporting projects that reduce greenhouse-gas emissions, such as renewable energy. If companies were genuine in their commitment to tackle climate change, though, they would develop zero-carbon baselines for their own activities.

A growing number of companies boast about the proportion of wind and solar in their energy consumption. These claims rely on an entirely legal accounting fraud that says that renewable electricity can be stored; the physical reality is that electricity is consumed the instant that it’s generated. In peddling the falsehood that business and households can depend on anything close to 100% intermittent renewable energy, companies are misleading the public.

Rather than demonstrating a genuine – and painful – commitment to radical decarbonization, business leaders’ public professions of climate awareness reflect a confluence of interest between, on the one hand, corporate public-affairs departments steeped in doctrines of corporate social responsibility (CSR), and, on the other, nongovernmental organizations (NGOs). It’s a collusive process. The more environmental reporting requirements, the greater the importance of CSR in corporate hierarchies, the more work there is for external environmental consultants—and the greater the leverage NGOs wield over corporations.

Then there’s the psychology of herding, whereby CEOs are fearful of being hung out to dry if they don’t sign the latest statement pledging their company to save the world from climate breakdown. All this might remind readers of two groups in Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged: the Moochers, comprising, in this example, the craven CEOs and their in-house CSR crowd; and the Looters, the environmental NGOs. Their ultimate victim is capitalism, the only economic system ever to have produced durable, transformative economic growth.

Madrid also marks the debut of finance ministers at UN climate talks, with the formation of a coalition of finance ministers for climate action. Under their Santiago Action Plan, over 50 finance ministers, including most from the EU, pledged to incorporate climate-change considerations into economic policy and seek “analytical expertise” to put their economies on the path of “inclusive economics, social, and wider restructuring.”

The first rule of economic policymaking is that any government intervention in the economy involves trade-offs. In the case of decarbonization policies that drive up energy costs, “net zero” means zero growth. The en masse capitulation of finance ministries before the altar of climate change sends a negative signal about future economic growth. Patricia Espinosa, executive secretary of the UN climate-change convention, has already sent out invitations to finance ministers to attend next year’s talks. Once on the climate bandwagon, it’s almost impossible to get off.

Then there are those desperate to get on the climate bandwagon and never get off. Anyone who has attended a UN climate conference will have noticed that some of the best-dressed participants are from Africa’s poorest nations, some with chunky Rolexes on their wrists. The UN makes sure that they suffer no hardship from their climate-change-fighting efforts. The Daily Subsistence Allowance, once handed out in envelopes with $100 bills, is now disbursed in its plastic equivalent of Swiss value cards. NGOs, whose role at climate conferences is to act as the spontaneous expression of civil society, are also eligible. Unsurprisingly, youth NGOs want to get in on the DSA act, too.

The incentive this creates is to make the UN what its critics always accuse it of being: a talking shop. According to one estimate, participants in the Article 6 discussions have already spent 70,000 hours failing to define what a “market instrument” is. Why decide, when another comfortable meeting in another expensive city beckons?

When it comes to Article 6, rich nations want tight rules to ensure that their money won’t be used to fund phony emissions cuts. Environment ministries in poorer nations naturally see Article 6 as a stream of funding that will flow through them. In principle, though, it’s hard to see how an emissions market can work as intended, when developed nations with hard caps on their emissions can pay to outsource their cuts to nations with no caps and no rigorous inventory of greenhouse gases.

Back in the U.S., some 80 business leaders have signed a statement urging the U.S. to remain in the Paris Agreement, with its commitment to limit warming to 1.5 degrees Centigrade above pre-industrial levels. Anyone who has looked at the numbers and what they entail in terms of global emissions cuts knows that this is next to impossible. It’s conceivable that global greenhouse-gas emissions will plateau, but steep cuts to “zero” aren’t going to happen. But America must have a seat at the table, comes the response. Perhaps, then, to show that they have some skin in the game, these business leaders should endure thousands of hours of meetings trying to decide what a market instrument is.






HOW TRULY PATHETIC of LIE-berals that ......................


they REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE............................


that it is SPENDING MONEY and more importantly BORROWING MONEY..........................


that is fueling so very much "climate crisis" angst and FAKERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And how DISHONEST of LIE-berals NOT TO ADMIT that some of the biggest wild fires in history...........................


in Australia and California and B.C. were caused by things like ARSON.......................................


for which the Australians have arrested a suspect............................................


and crappy maintenance of electrical lines ......................................


which drove the biggest power supplier in California into bankruptcy.......................................


and CARELESS SMOKING which resulted in fines for some California hikers a few years back............................


and lightning strikes and possible careless smokers in B.C.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And HOW AWKWARD that continental drift is affecting sea levels on the Atlantic coast and perhaps in other places as well!!!!!!!!!!


It is so MUCH EASIER to blame climate change than continental drift!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Where is the opportunity to put guilt on govt and GRAB GRAVY for continental drift??????????????????????



Indians and RED Chinese and others DEMAND WESTERN AID to deal with "climate change"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And what do they consistently use that western "AID" for??????????????????????????


In the 1980`s - India was getting ten billion dollars per year in foreign aid from east and west.........................


and spending about ten billion dollars per year on its MILITARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes - nuclear weapons and nuclear subs to carry the new weapons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And in these modern times - nuclear armed India and Pakistan are threatening WAR upon each other!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dont they have enough trouble already - thanks to huge populations and limited food supplies????????????????


And in a COST CUTTING IMPULSE - Our Pet - the VILE Pierre Trudope sold the recently rebuilt - at huge cost...............................


Canadian aircraft carrier Bonaventure to India - at a FIRE SALE PRICE - just literally GAVE IT AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the Indians loaded up Bonaventure with brand new Harrier Jump Jets and sent it off to bomb Sri Lankan Tamil Tigers for a



decade or so and damn the cost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And look at what Red China has done with its multi decades of "most favoured trading nation status" with the west!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Look at all the new RED CHINESE WEAPONS facing us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



We bought a PILE of Chinese sh+t and now we are facing Chinese bullying - including the imprisonment of two Cdn citizens!!!!!!!!!!!!


And THUS FAR - NO LIE-beral has EVER EXPLAINED how buying carbon credits from third world countries...............................


using BORROWED CDN CASH - so those third world countries will have the cash necessary to EXPAND their carbon foot print........



while we sink ever deeper into DEBT...............................................


is supposed to solve ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Spending money is CLEARLY NOT THE SOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The TRUE SOLUTION - the one LIE-berals are DESPERATELY AVOIDING - is TO BORROW LESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Less borrowing means that there will be LESS GRAVY for the HOGS AMONG US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The most wealthy among us - the ones with the BIGGEST CARBON FOOT PRINTS will make changes.......................


if they DO NOT HAVE as much money as before and must therefore take logical steps to SAVE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That translates into less airplane flights.....................................


and buying smaller more fuel efficient vehicles.............................


and making less car trips....................................


and running the air conditioner less often..............................................


and maybe shutting off the bubble system at the Muskoka cottage.............................


and maybe NOT BUYING that 300 horsepower Seadoo................................


and maybe paddling a canoe more often instead of running a motor.............................


and gosh - so many ways to CUT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And reduce our use of fossil fuel WITHOUT SPENDING A PENNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And yet GROSSLY ENTITLED LIE-berals SCORN ALL SOLUTIONS that might affect them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral Govt GREED may yet KILL US ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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The cool thing about climate alarmism, is that it allows uneducated and superstitious people of pagan mentality to visualize themselves as being all sciency and sophisticated
 

petros

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Confess and repent your carbon sins.
Pay your carbon tithes.
Have faith in the climate prophets.
Believe in the climate models.
Make sacrifices at the climate altar.
Reject the words of non-believers.
Proselytize the global warming faith.
Break bread with other believers.
 

spilledthebeer

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Confess and repent your carbon sins.
Pay your carbon tithes.
Have faith in the climate prophets.
Believe in the climate models.
Make sacrifices at the climate altar.
Reject the words of non-believers.
Proselytize the global warming faith.
Break bread with other believers.




Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And JOIN HANDS with other believers...........................


at the ASYLUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Medication will be served right before lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Afternoon activities will commence at 2pm when all Believers will be expected in the exercise room.................................


to pedal the stationary bikes that recharge the batteries for the facility!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


No Excuses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Either Pedal for Power...................................


or freeze in the dark!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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UN climate talks end with limited progress on emissions targets

Both were lacking as the talks moved into the early hours of Sunday. Poor countries grew angry at what they saw as intransigence on the part of some richer nations, while the EU and a coalition of developing countries urged others to come forward with more ambitious plans to combat climate breakdown.
In the final hours, weary negotiators wrangled over the wording of provisions for “loss and damage”, by which developing countries are hoping to receive financial assistance for the ravages they face from climate breakdown. The US was blamed for refusing to agree to developing countries’ demands under what is known in the UN jargon as the Warsaw International Mechanism (WIM)…………….More

Code talk for show me the money
 

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Since there's no "urgency" about climate change (all faux news) it's no big deal. Once the manufacturers are able to produce, in bulk, electric vehicles that are affordable to the average person and ways to over come how to re-use or recycle batteries, the price will eventually come down. Now, it's not a big deal and the cars we drive now-a-days are quite efficient anyway.


Until then, we'll still need fossil fuels as we'll somehow have to be able to recharge and that takes electricity which in turn, will take fossil fuels with perhaps a little bit of green energy to back it up. Besides, why should the average Joe subsidize solar panels and electric vehicles that the upper crust can afford and that most of us can't afford to purchase ourselves. It doesn't make sense.


There's no rush and it'll happen in the next 40 - 50 years anyways so no big deal. We live in a pretty clean environment right now and it'll only get better with technology. We simply need to concentrate on the areas that are lacking in any substantial regulations for actual pollution and by distributing the technology we currently have to the nations that need it for clean water, air and soil. The biggest obstacle is likely tyrannical governments more than anything.