An Inconvenient Truth

Curious Cdn

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None of these industries exist at the current levels without petroleum.
How many of them "exist" without Canadian petroleum?

Most of them.

The bigger factor is the electricity generated in Ontario, Quebec and Labrador. That is the energy backbone of Canadian manufacturing, not Western oil.
 

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How many of them "exist" without Canadian petroleum?

Most of them.

The bigger factor is the electricity generated in Ontario, Quebec and Labrador. That is the energy backbone of Canadian manufacturing, not Western oil.
What the Auto sector .
 

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What the Auto sector .
... is in decline but not in collapse. 2 million cars a year are still made in Ontario and the Western oil content in them is 0.00% There is some Natural Gas content but mostly, it's the electricity. That aluminum billet that's made into car parts is more often than not smelted using Quebec Hydro.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/topics-start/automotive

It's one of those "inconvenient truths" that doesn't jive with your cornpone populism.
 

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... is in decline but not in collapse. 2 million cars a year are still made in Ontario and the Western oil content in them is 0.00% There is some Natural Gas content but mostly, it's the electricity. That aluminum billet that's made into car parts is more often than not smelted using Quebec Hydro.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/topics-start/automotive

It's one of those "inconvenient truths" that doesn't jive with your cornpone populism.
So with out petroleum products , what good is the Auto Sector ?
 

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So inventors in Australia devised an engine that runs on water and ethanol. No gas.
My first thought upon seeing that was - how long until no one buys into it because it's shut out from being further developed?

Oh..I dunno...

There's even a Japanese company, Genepax, showing off a prototype that runs on nothing but water. On June 13 Reuters published a report on the prototype, complete with a now much-blogged-about video even showing an innocuous gray box in the Genepax vehicle'strunk supplying all the power to drive the car. All you have to do is add an occasional bottle of Evian (or tea, or whatever aqueous fluid is handy), then drive all over without ever needing gasoline.

So what do I think about all of this? Why haven't I tested and written about this stuff? It's certain to Change the World As We Know It ... right?

Rubbish.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a3428/4271579/

Now...rubbish powered cars...that's the wave of the future.
 

Curious Cdn

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So with out petroleum products , what good is the Auto Sector ?
Soon, very soon, they won't need the petroleum products to run automobiles. The whole world is working on electrics, hybrids, fuel cells ... anything but petroleum. I'll bet Aramco is going public right now to milk the last bit out of it before world wide demand crashes in a couple of decades.

Calgary could end up as a dusty, dry ghost town in fifty years.
 

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True, we can make it, but it still stinks and pollutes.


As the EV batteries are consumed beyond the ability for recycling, the toxic mess that is left behind will represent a major health concern


Canada exports about $50 billion a year in cars and trucks

... And yet here in Canada, it's on it's last legs.


The Cdn auto mfgr sector is hugely unprofitable and has been moving South.
 

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So inventors in Australia devised an engine that runs on water and ethanol. No gas.
My first thought upon seeing that was - how long until no one buys into it because it's shut out from being further developed?
Brazil uses very little gasoline. They source their fuel from sugar cane. It does nothing to stymie emissions.
 

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As the EV batteries are consumed beyond the ability for recycling, the toxic mess that is left behind will represent a major health concern
... And yet here in Canada, it's on it's last legs.
The Cdn auto mfgr sector is hugely unprofitable and has been moving South.
It's Unifor driving them out even with ON Liberals heavily subsidizing the industry.
 

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Brazil uses very little gasoline. They source their fuel from sugar cane. It does nothing to stymie emissions.


You burn anything the carbon in the matrix, the byproduct will be CO2 (CO if not a clean burn). Which is why hydrogen power would be great as the output of that is H2O.


The issue I have with EV is that the battery technology from manufacture to disposal leaves a huge environmental footprint -- I think even more so that a gas car. Granted less of it is likely CO2 but I think if you only focus on the CO2 you are being short sighted.
 

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The fermentation process to make the ethyl increases the total emission far beyond that of petroleum.

SK has a massive REE deposit that will require denudation and strip mining of the boreal on a scale larger than the oil sands.

Do you think anyone will protest to stop it?

First Nations miners that lost their jobs in nuclear are banking on this for work.
 

Curious Cdn

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As the EV batteries are consumed beyond the ability for recycling, the toxic mess that is left behind will represent a major health concern
... And yet here in Canada, it's on it's last legs.
The Cdn auto mfgr sector is hugely unprofitable and has been moving South.
2 million cars a year is not on it's "last legs". Your Cowgary based oil industry in in a much steeper nose dive and if it ever comes up again, it will be a temporary "peak oil" blip. Dinoyte is right.