That is why we are nuke free in BC. Except of course when your subs are playing hide and seek in front of my house. We simply don't trust government employees to do their job properly.
An Inconvenient Truth
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TRUE DAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have the ability TO MAKE MORE FOSSIL FUEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Though Ember might be right in looking towards water as a superior fuel...................................
meaning Hydrogen extracted from water for use as fuel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Her wording of "water for fuel" is a bit unclear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh Serryah that is....................................
Horse sh+t of the most extreme sort!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You could not keep such a thing secret in any democratic country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What one inventor could create......................................
can be replicated by another!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh sure - the first inventor COULD PATENT his creation............................
but that WOULD LET LOOSE THE SECRET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And govts would be lining up to tell the inventor that the new invention ..................................
MUST BE SHARED WITH MANKIND.....................................
FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The inventor would be well paid - but would NOT be allowed full control over the use of such an invention!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The idea that such an invention could be hidden from the democratic world...............................
is the sort of conspiracy theory that pimple faced and credulous adolescents................................
who are angry at Mommy and Daddy............................................
would accept and believe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually some years ago Bill Clinton spoke with the American oil industry. What he said was actually pretty smart and more than just a little capitalistic. He suggested that if the oil companies invested even a fraction of their profits into R&D for alternative power sources, they could corner the global energy market.
Don't think for one minute that they're going to be doing away with oil anytime soon though. That will only happen when the cost to extract and refine it becomes more than the product is actually worth.
Your inconvenient truth is also something that both Petros and I have each brought up in here at least once before. However, there's also the difference between oil companies, which let's face it, are purely profit driven, and some 16 yr old being used to try and convince the world we can power modern economies solely on the vagaries of weather. Or that some 16 yr old Swedish girl's vacation of a lifetime would have been virtually impossible without oil.
Your first paragraph was so sane.
Good to see you slip back into the gibbering terror that rules your life in the last one. I was worried there for a second.
I don't know why you're even talking about this 'cause I have it on good authority, sanctioned by the UN even, that we're on the edge of a mass extinction.... A 16 year old Swedish girl with Aspergers said so
The cost to produce ethanol on a large enough scale to generate 1/100th of the current needs would have it's own significant hurdles, economics among them.
That said, it is presently an additive to gasoline
Only a function of time before electricity displaces hydrocarbons, but there is a very long and expensive road ahead before it is mainstream.
The tech obstacle aside (storage), the upgrading of the infrastructure in terms of distribution and capacity will take decades and billions, if not trillions to roll-out in full
Don't sweat it. He will get even with you. ANd if you are not careful he will be one up on you.
right now it is more economical to run cars on electricity provided by green sources than it is to run cars on gasoline.
that disparity only increases with time.
therefore regardless of market manipulation by those to profit most from oil the future is electric.
that disparity only increases with time.
therefore regardless of market manipulation by those to profit most from oil the future is electric.
No, it provides some of it.
I work in a sector (manufacturing) that produces 25% more GDP in Canada than all the resource extraction combined ...including petroleum.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/594293/gross-domestic-product-of-canada-by-industry-monthly/
You live in a myth.
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OH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Proof yet again that LIE-berals THINK we have memories..................................
and attention spans AS SHORT AS THEIRS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL LIE-beral "calculations" regarding electric TOY cars involve the SAME DECEPTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They DO NOT count fully for the cost of producing electricity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And they DO NOT account for the cost of REPLACING THE ENTIRE BATTERY.................................
after TEN YEARS so that the range of the electric TOY................................
that was a WORRY the day the TOY came out of the factory.......................................
can be restored to something close to the LIMITED FACTORY SETTINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF ITS LIE-beral - its deceptive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is one of those articles that LIE-berals will not want to talk about! With some comments of my own in brackets):
The Dirt on Clean Electric Cars
New research shows some drivers might spew out less CO2 with a diesel engine.
By Niclas Rolander, Jesper Starn, and Elisabeth Behrmann
Published October 15, 2018, 11:00 PM EDT
Why Electric Cars Aren't Taking Over Yet
Beneath the hoods of millions of the clean electric cars rolling onto the world’s roads in the next few years will be a dirty battery.
Every major carmaker has plans for electric vehicles to cut greenhouse gas emissions, yet their manufacturers are, by and large, making lithium-ion batteries in places with some of the most polluting grids in the world.
(Yes- the dirty little electric Toy car secret is that mining Lithium and refining it into batteries are both producing high levels of toxic dust and assorted nasty residues that are as bad or worse than oil production! At the urging of selfish LIE-berals we are switching from one form of pollution to another-just as bad!!)
By 2021, capacity will exist to build batteries for more than 10 million cars running on 60 kilowatt-hour packs, according to data of Bloomberg NEF. Most supply will come from places like China, Thailand, Germany and Poland that rely on non-renewable sources like coal for electricity.
(And this is a second dirty little electric Toy car secret- that much of the electricity need to charge the electric Toy cars is a LONG WAY OFF being clean! Many countries still rely on coal fired generators!)
(Even here in Ontari-owe- after 15 years of hugely costly LIE-beral effort to make us clean and green- our power grid has substantial wind and solar generation capacity - but it is SO UNRELIABLE that LIE-berals were forced to make an entire back up system powered by natural gas! It would have been cheaper and just as clean to simply use natural gas and FORGET wind and solar power here!)
(Yes- Ontari-owe MUST HAVE a natural gas plant - for each wind or solar farm- with the gas plants kept fully manned and fully powered up and sitting idle and just waiting to take over at a moments notice when the wind stops blowing or the sun goes behind a cloud! LIE-berals DO NOT COUNT that fossil fueled gas back up system when they boast about Zero emission electric Toy cars!!)
Not So Green?
Year 1 includes manufacturing-stage emissions. Predictions based on carbon tailpipe emissions and energy mix in 2017.
Source: Berylls Strategy Advisors
“We’re facing a bow wave of additional CO2 emissions,” said Andreas Radics, a managing partner at Munich-based automotive consultancy Berylls Strategy Advisors, which argues that for now, drivers in Germany or Poland may still be better off with an efficient diesel engine.
(In other words - simply setting up the green system is producing it own green house emissions- that LIE-berals re not counting either! All that concrete and steel for wind towers and the aluminum necessary for wiring to the grid!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
The findings, among the more bearish ones around, show that while electric cars are emission-free on the road, they still discharge a lot of the carbon-dioxide that conventional cars do.
Just to build each car battery—weighing upwards of 500 kilograms (1,100 pounds) in size for sport-utility vehicles—would emit up to 74 percent more C02 than producing an efficient conventional car if it’s made in a factory powered by fossil fuels in a place like Germany, according to Berylls’ findings.
(And of course LIE-berals are also forgetful about what it will cost in the future to recycle those millions of batteries! Simply transporting all that mega tonnage of old batteries to a suitable facility will consume much fossil fuel - and LIE- berals aint counting that cost either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(And Lithium is so toxic it cannot simply be put in a land fill! Lithium bursts into raging flames on contact with air so disposal of old batteries will be COSTLY and time consuming and a potentially dangerous fire hazard!)
Yet regulators haven’t set out clear guidelines on acceptable carbon emissions over the life cycle of electric cars, even as the likes of China, France and the U.K. move toward outright bans of combustion engines.
(Western LIE-berals are focused on how to maintain their entitlements - while using their alleged environmental concerns as a screen for their GREED!!!!!!!!!!!! This is why they told us the Paris Accord was so vital and now a few years later they are telling us the Paris Accord is USELESS! Exactly as the anti LIE-beral critics claimed when the Accord was proposed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
“It will come down to where is the battery made, how is it made, and even where do we get our electric power from,” said Henrik Fisker, chief executive officer and chairman of Fisker Inc., a California-based developer of electric vehicles.
For perspective, the average German car owner could drive a gas-guzzling vehicle for three and a half years, or more than 50,000 kilometers, before a Nissan Leaf with a 30 kWh battery would beat it on carbon-dioxide emissions in a coal-heavy country, Berylls estimates show.
(And a we have seen LIE-berals fudge the numbers at every stage of electric Toy car production and use and eventual disposal! With the added bonus that Lithium batteries suffer drastic drastic reductions in range and service life in a cold northern climate- anything below 10 Celsius is HARD for them!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
The Dirt on Electric Car Batteries
(There have been several work stoppages at the Tesla Giga factory as a result of higher than expected levels of toxic Lithium dust- both inside the factory and in towns down wind from the factory!)
(In addition there is growing complaint from inside China over pollution from Lithium mines and refineries but the Chinese Soviet dictators- with their notorious indifference to human rights- have clamped down on complainers as China badly wants the western hard currency that Lithium sales generate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Battery makers plan factories in Germany, Poland, where coal is still king
Capacity includes plants announced and under construction. Actual energy generation in 2017.
Sources: Bloomberg New Energy Finance, European Network of Transmission System Operators for Electricity
And that’s one of the smallest batteries on the market: BMW’s i3 has a 42 kWh battery, Mercedes’s upcoming EQC crossover will have a 80 kWh battery, and Audi’s e-tron will come in at 95 kWh.
With such heavy batteries, an electric car’s carbon footprint can grow quite large even beyond the showroom, depending on how it’s charged. Driving in France, which relies heavily on nuclear power, will spit out a lot less CO2 than Germany, where 40 percent of the grid burns on coal.
(But even nuclear power consumes substantial amounts of fossil fuel and LIE-berals DO NOT COUNT THAT HONESTLY EITHER!!!! For one thing, massive quantities of concrete are needed to create the immense concrete vaults that nuclear waste is buried in! It is not just spent fuel rods that the nuclear industry must bury for centuries! There is all manner of other gear that gets contaminated!)
(A nuclear power plant is just a big steam engine and it has a lot of plumbing- which needs to be replaced from time to time so there is a constant flow of old irradiated pipes and tools and clip boards and ladders and safety suits and other gear to long term concrete storage! Along with a steady flow of fluids that have been used to clean, decontaminate or degrease the facility and it ALL has to be trucked away and stored in concrete containers and buried by diesel powered machinery! Nuclear power is not nearly so clean as its supporters claim!!!!!!!!!!!)
“It’s not a great change to move from diesel to German coal power,” said NorthVolt AB CEO Peter Carlsson, a former Tesla manager who is trying to build a 4-billion-euro ($4.6 billion) battery plant in Sweden that would run on hydropower. “Electric cars will be better in every way, but of course, when batteries are made in a coal-based electricity system it will take longer” to surpass diesel engines, he said.
To be sure, other studies show that even in coal-dominant Poland, using an electric car would emit 25 percent less carbon dioxide than a diesel car, according to Transport & Environment Brussels, a body that lobbies the European Union for sustainable environmental policy.
(IF ONLY we could TRUST the LIE-beral numbers! And based on Wynne-bag Ontari-owe LIE-beral assurances about the low cost and great benefits that would come from surrendering to their mouldy green energy plan- that has turned into a costly disaster- there is NO REASON to believe ANYTHING that lobbyists from the electric Toy car industry tell us!!!!!!!)
(The hard truth is there are other, MORE EFFECTIVE WAYS of saving the environment- it is just too bad that LIE-berals don’t want to LOOK at the other options ! LIE-berals LIKE electric Toy cars for the GRAVY they hope the Toys will generate for them! As spin doctors from B.C. Hydro have explained -there can be “windfall profits” from electric Toy cars- meaning they are grand for PRICE GOUGING gullible tax payers on electricity charges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OH WAIT INDEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HemerHOID told us a while back...........................
THAT HE WOULD BUY AN ELECTRIC TOY CAR...................................
ONCE THE RANGE WAS IMPROVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apparently hemerHOID and hypocrite are synonymous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Typical LIE-beral bullsh+t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do as we say and not as we do........................
because LIE-berals be ENTITLED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOW NICE FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Living out there in the quiet countryside...............................
driving your gas guzzler................................
and probably living some place with NO PUBLIC TRANSIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And even if there was transit.....................................
we can bet you have never used it unless your car broke down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES it must be nice.........................................
Spending your days telling us how to live............................
while refusing to follow your own advice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What sort of insulation level do you have in your house?????????????????????
You LIE-beral PIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!