UK Gov In Turmoil & Bexit Mess.

Blackleaf

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So...
The Remainers were in power, lost their vote, used their power to force another vote and lost THAT one too by an even bigger margin, lessening their power hold on the country?
Okay, sure, they're the same...

Remainers wanting a second referendum is exactly the same fascistic behaviour that the EU condemned Erdogan for deploying.
 

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MPs won't vote on Boris Johnson's Brexit deal today

After five hours of MPs debating the government's new Brexit deal in the Commons, there will not be a vote on the deal today.

MPs backed an amendment to the government's motion on the deal (the Letwin amendment).

No 10 has decided to send MPs home and cancel the next vote.

The government is now expected to introduce legislation next week for a Halloween Brexit - with a first vote possibly on Tuesday.
 

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Remainers wanting a second referendum is exactly the same fascistic behaviour that the EU condemned Erdogan for deploying.


But they didn't GET that referendum, big difference one.


Big difference two, Erdogan himself pressured for a recount, unable to believe "he" lost. He was capitulated to. People in Britain wanted a second referendum, but it didn't happen, even after a general election later when they had the chance for a re-vote. Despite the contested outcome of the voting, it's continued on to this point because in the end, democracy still spoke.



I could go on but there's no point, right?

So no, they are NOT the same.
 

Blackleaf

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But they didn't GET that referendum, big difference one.

So what? They are still campaigning for it. They are undemocratic fascists.
Big difference two, Erdogan himself pressured for a recount, unable to believe "he" lost.

So, just like Patrick Stewart and all those other "People's Vote" anti-democrats outside Parliament.
 

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So what? They are still campaigning for it. They are undemocratic fascists.


Blackie, they can campaign for it all they want, they WON'T get it. FFS they're not stupid, it's not ABOUT getting the vote now, you nitwit.



So, just like Patrick Stewart and all those other "People's Vote" anti-democrats outside Parliament.


Really?


So Patrick Stewart is PM of Britain now? Bet he didn't know THAT news! :roll:
 

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Blackie, they can campaign for it all they want, they WON'T get it. FFS they're not stupid, it's not ABOUT getting the vote now, you nitwit.


It's not about whether they will get it or not. It's the fact that they are campaigning for it. They are anti-democrats. That's all that matters.

Really?I

So Patrick Stewart is PM of Britain now? Bet he didn't know THAT news! :roll:


I sincerely hope he isn't PM. He's a member of the Labour Party.
 

Serryah

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It's not about whether they will get it or not. It's the fact that they are campaigning for it. They are anti-democrats. That's all that matters.


No, it's not, because campaigning for it is totally democratic. Just look at any democratic country and you'll see stuff like this all the time.


Again, in this, I am saying YOU are thick, about as thick as thick can get.





I sincerely hope he isn't PM. He's a member of the Labour Party.


Then there's no comparing him or anyone else like him to Erdogan.
 

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After another day of Brexit drama in the Palace of Westminster, what happens now?

Today's vote for the Letwin amendment means that Johnson, by law - the Benn Act - must ask the EU for a Brexit extension by 11pm tonight.

But interestingly Boris Johnson, as he's said all along, is suggesting he's just not going to do it: "I will not negotiate a delay, nor does the law force me to."

Instead, he has stated that he will introduce legislation next week.

The legislation - that withdrawal agreement bill - will be introduced to the House of Commons early next week.

It would mean potentially a big vote on Tuesday night, on what's called a second reading (that's the first stage of any bill that goes through this place).

That will be a big moment because that could be, if it gets through a second reading, the first time that the House of Commons has backed any kind of withdrawal agreement to do with Brexit.

So that is now being seen potentially as an alternative to the big meaningful vote that we might have had today.

And there's still a possibility - although not a large one - but there's still a possibility that if that bill gets through the House of Commons and the House of Lords by the 31 October, that we still do leave with a deal on the 31 October.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-50107443
 

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No, it's not, because campaigning for it is totally democratic. Just look at any democratic country and you'll see stuff like this all the time.
Again, in this, I am saying YOU are thick, about as thick as thick can get.
Then there's no comparing him or anyone else like him to Erdogan.

So campaigning to overthrow democracy is democratic?
 

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So campaigning to overthrow democracy is democratic?


What THESE people believe, is that the question was not properly put to the people, there was too much confusion over what it meant, that there was no clear outcome of what a "yes" vote would be and THAT is what they are demonstrating about.



And yes, that part IS democratic.


Again, do you SEE them getting their demand for a revote? NO, but they have every right to protest all the same.
 

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What THESE people believe, is that the question was not properly put to the people, there was too much confusion over what it meant, that there was no clear outcome of what a "yes" vote would be and THAT is what they are demonstrating about.
And yes, that part IS democratic.
Again, do you SEE them getting their demand for a revote? NO, but they have every right to protest all the same.

Yes, I realise they think Brexit voters are all thick and that they are more enlightened and know more about the workings of the EU because they once pretended to captain the starship Enterprise for a living or because they live in a leafy village in rural Oxfordshire and like expensive French wines and to go interrailing through Spain but they are still anti-democratic fascists.
 

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Nope, for enforcing your will upon the people - ALL PEOPLE - of Britain when apparently it's not what all the people want.
That is how democracy works. It is not all the people,only a majority of the ones that bothered to vote that make the rules. When you are on the losing side Democracy looks much like mob rule.
 

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Yes, I realise they think Brexit voters are all thick


No, only you keep saying that, and in your case, you're right.


and that they are more enlightened and know more about the workings of the EU because they once pretended to captain the starship Enterprise for a living or because they live in a leafy village in rural Oxfordshire and like expensive French wines and to go interrailing through Spain but they are still anti-democratic fascists.


So in other words, "I can't really refute what you say so I'm gonna spew nonsense because that's all I can do now."
 

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That is how democracy works. It is not all the people,only a majority of the ones that bothered to vote that make the rules. When you are on the losing side Democracy looks much like mob rule.


I understand that.


Blackie doesn't.


He thinks that it's fascism that people protest.


So I called him a fascist for imposing his will on people regardless of what people want.


The "Majority" don't matter because majority or minority isn't the point.


Point is, he wants to throw fascism around, so could I.
 

Serryah

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I don't agree with their protest. That's not fascism.

They are the fascists, not me.


Calling them fascists makes as much sense as calling you one, and yet, here we are.


All because you can't stand how democracy works and need to call out people for doing what democracy allows them to.


But hey, they haven't forced their will on you yet! :)