Johnson becomes 77th PM and forms a government of Brexiteers

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Ad hominem is a poor argument.


And you're the king of ad hominem, what's your point?


Seriously, what's with your ignorance to what's being said. Why is it so hard for you to get that?


Yes, he's PM.


Yes, he was chosen such by his party a la the Westminster System.


But, for the third time, Blackie said he was elected PM which he wasn't. He was selected to be leader of his party, which makes him automatically the PM. To be the REAL PM of Britain, he needs to be elected in a general election. Right now, he's just the guy in the hot seat until the next election. And before you or Blackie or anyone else says something, this is my stance no matter what party is in charge.

Is that dumbed down enough for you yet or does it need to go simpler?
 

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And you're the king of ad hominem, what's your point?
Seriously, what's with your ignorance to what's being said. Why is it so hard for you to get that?
Yes, he's PM.
Yes, he was chosen such by his party a la the Westminster System.
But, for the third time, Blackie said he was elected PM which he wasn't. He was selected to be leader of his party, which makes him automatically the PM. To be the REAL PM of Britain, he needs to be elected in a general election. Right now, he's just the guy in the hot seat until the next election. And before you or Blackie or anyone else says something, this is my stance no matter what party is in charge.
Is that dumbed down enough for you yet or does it need to go simpler?
Johnson is the real PM because he is leader of the party with the most seats in the parliament. That's it.
 

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He was elected - BY HIS PARTY - to be the party leader and PM.
That does NOT mean he was elected PM by the general public of Britain. THAT title goes to May, who resigned.
Until BoJo decides to hold a general election, and wins it, he's only PM because a select portion of the public, voted for his party, and their party selected him. And if you think that means the public had anything to do with it you have NO understanding of politics what so ever. Once in power, the actual will of the people becomes a commodity to be forgotten when it suits the politician.

I would say the party members who elected him are the general public.
 

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He was elected - BY HIS PARTY - to be the party leader and PM.


That does NOT mean he was elected PM by the general public of Britain. THAT title goes to May, who resigned.


Until BoJo decides to hold a general election, and wins it, he's only PM because a select portion of the public, voted for his party, and their party selected him. And if you think that means the public had anything to do with it you have NO understanding of politics what so ever. Once in power, the actual will of the people becomes a commodity to be forgotten when it suits the politician.
BoJo......he is. Rather fitting..
 

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I find it rather odd all these people suddenly railing against the political system that Britain has had for a long time and Canada has had probably ever since it was founded.

It's like they've only just realised.
 

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Gordon Brown became leader of the Labour Party on 24th June 2007 and Prime Minister on 27th June 2007. The next General Election after he became PM was on 6th May 2010, which he lost. But I don't recall people on this forum back in 2007 demanding that Brown hold an election soon.
 

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I find it rather odd all these people suddenly railing against the political system that Britain has had for a long time and Canada has had probably ever since it was founded.
It's like they've only just realised.

If the party in power elects a Prime Minister as your Tories have just done in Canada or anywhere else, they seek a fresh mandate from the voting general public within a short period. May did it, even. Boris likely will do no such thing, as he rightly fears that the Tories will come in third and the Boris will have to re-join the circus to earn a living.

I don't know why I bother because clearly, you are not "up to" getting it.
 

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If the party in power elects a Prime Minister as your Tories have just done in Canada or anywhere else, they seek a fresh mandate from the voting general public within a short period. May did it, even. Boris likely will do no such thing, as he rightly fears that the Tories will come in third and the Boris will have to re-join the circus to earn a living.

I don't know why I bother because clearly, you are not "up to" getting it.


Brown didn't do it.


He was elected Labour leader on 24th June 2017 and therefore became PM three days later.


He didn't face a General Election until three years later - which he lost. I don't recall there being much hoop-la about that.


Maybebe it's only PMs significantly to the right of Lefty socialists like Brown who aren't allowed to abide by Britain's centuries-old Westminster system and must hold an election soon.
 

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Brown didn't do it.
He was elected Labour leader on 24th June 2017 and therefore became PM three days later.
He didn't face a General Election until three years later - which he lost. I don't recall there being much hoop-la about that.
Or maybe it's only PMs significantly to the right of Lefty socialists like Brown who aren't allowed to abide by Britain's centuries-old Westminster system.
Broon was rightly reviled by the end.
 

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Broon was rightly reviled by the end.

I don't recall there being an uproar that he never held an election. It was three years after he became PM that he faced an election, but even then he didn't call it. It had to be held either in 2009 or 2010 according to the then laws - the Tory/Lib Dem Coalition government later brought in new ones - but Brown couldn't bring himself to hold it in 2009 so opted for 2010 instead. But I don't recall any uproar.

Now, in the merely 5 days that Boris Johnson has been PM, numpties are saying he must hold an election soon which is a rather weird thing to say when, according to Britain's democratic system, the next election doesn't have to be held until 5th May 2022 at the latest.
 

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So what kind of a PM will he make?? He does have an oversized personality......... will that personality overshadow any real policies he will try to make?? what are his strengths and what are his shortcomings??
 

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I don't recall there being an uproar that he never held an election. It was three years after he became PM that he faced an election, but even then he didn't call it. It had to be held either in 2009 or 2010 according to the then laws - the Tory/Lib Dem Coalition government later brought in new ones - but Brown couldn't bring himself to hold it in 2009 so opted for 2010 instead. But I don't recall any uproar.
Now, in the merely 5 days that Boris Johnson has been PM, numpties are saying he must hold an election soon which is a rather weird thing to say when, according to Britain's democratic system, the next election doesn't have to be held until 5th May 2022 at the latest.
I remember a Labour massacre when he finally got around to it and they still haven't recovered.
 

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I find it rather odd all these people suddenly railing against the political system that Britain has had for a long time and Canada has had probably ever since it was founded.

It's like they've only just realised.


It's not 'sudden' for me.


I've ALWAYS had this issue.


But then I also don't like how the leadership/PM is selected in Canada.


As for your 'example' of Brown, he was PM only because his party selected him. He kept that position until he was ousted in a General Election, but IMO that election should have been called MUCH earlier than three years. If he wanted to be the legitimate PM for all of Britain and not just by virtue of his winning the "Who's more liked" contest that is the leadership race, he should have called for a general election.

Any time Canada has gotten a PM by this model, I have not considered them the real PM of ALL Canada, they're PM because they won the party's popularity contest.
 

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So what kind of a PM will he make?? He does have an oversized personality......... will that personality overshadow any real policies he will try to make?? what are his strengths and what are his shortcomings??


John Oliver did a good piece on him last night. I think BoJo is f'ed.
 

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It's not 'sudden' for me.
I've ALWAYS had this issue.
But then I also don't like how the leadership/PM is selected in Canada.
As for your 'example' of Brown, he was PM only because his party selected him. He kept that position until he was ousted in a General Election, but IMO that election should have been called MUCH earlier than three years. If he wanted to be the legitimate PM for all of Britain and not just by virtue of his winning the "Who's more liked" contest that is the leadership race, he should have called for a general election.
Any time Canada has gotten a PM by this model, I have not considered them the real PM of ALL Canada, they're PM because they won the party's popularity contest.

Your opinion doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is our system.
 

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John Oliver did a good piece on him last night. I think BoJo is f'ed.

I think he'll get Brexit done, win the next election and go down in history as one of our great PMs, like his hero Churchill.
 

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By the way, who was the creepy guy acting weird and threatening to me?

I've just just been sat in front of the Town Hall on a warm summer's night posting on here when a tall and menacing-looking bald guy in a suit and tie approached me from out of nowhere. He asked me what I'm doing. I told him I'm just chilling after work. He saw a bottle of beer open and asked if he can have some. So he took a swig. He asked to look inside my carrier bag and then said "I won't take the rest of the beer off you." As he said it he swigged the rest of the beer that was opened. He then asked again why I'm stood outside the town hall. So I said I'm just chilling and that I can sit outside the town hall whenever I want to. I asked him where he's from. He said he's from Preston in Lancashire. He reached inside his inside pocket as if reaching for a weapon and he asked me what my name is. I lied and said John. He started repeating menacingly: "Do I scare you? Do I scare you? Do I scare you?" Like a ****ing robot!


And I lied and said that he doesn't scare me and started to back away.

So at that moment I just briskly walked away, rounded a corner and there's now no sign of him. Now it's just usual late night city noises and occurrences.

Who the **** is he? A member of the GMCA (Greater Manchester Government), an MI5 agent, an MIB, a gangster?

Weird and creepy as ****.
 
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