If Trudeau wins the Election in 2019..

[Mowich]

Personally, I hope nobody wins the next election. I like minority governments. We don't get dictatorships and most of our social safety net came from minority governments. But I guess most people like dictatorships because you guys keep electing them.

You've got a point about minority governments, Cliffy. I'd be content to see a Conservative/Green coalition with the liberals reduced to a bare minimum. I highly doubt the NDP are going to garner many seats but do foresee an upsurge in Green votes. A Con/Green coalition would be great for both parties - they could learn a lot from each other.

The wild card is Max. He's got some good candidates running in this election and the mood of the country is hard to read right now. The election is still a long way off and anything can happen between then and now to change the entire outcome.

 

[Hoid]

A conservative/green coalition?

How would that work?

 

[Curious Cdn]

A conservative/green coalition?
How would that work?

Elizabeth May used to be a Tory.

Weird fact, but true.

Maybe, they've figure out how to put the "conserve" back into "conservative" where it used to live, way back when most Canadians grew crops for a living.

 

[Hoid]

I don't see any common ground between greens and conservatives.

It is difficult enough to get the NDP and the Greens on the same page.

 

[Durry]

The N DP are hoping for divine intervention, that’s why their leader wears a rag on his head.

 

[Serryah]

Core idendity was essentially lost when pappa turdOWE stuck us with multiculturalism and bilingualism.

I don't mind multiculturalism. Bilingualism though is a freakin' pain. But at least you don't need to worry about jobs if you don't speak French unlike us in NB.

You just cannot have a national identity and promote where your ancestors came from at the same time.

Why not? Those ancestors are where you came from and are PART of the national identity.

TurdOWE jr. is just such a vapid little twit that no one wants to identify with him. The Liberal party has always promoted regional differences to devide and conquor election scheme with a voter base heavily loaded in favour of an east that gets the bulk of the goodies with little contribution.

Despite the few good things he's done, I agree, Trudeau has been a twat lately.


I can't agree though that the Liberal party is the ONLY party that's promoted regional differences. The Cons have done a great job of that themselves, too, with this East/West bullshyte.


I really wish though when anyone spoke about the east, they'd be clearer and mean Ontario and Quebec. There IS more East of them and we certainly do NOT get any goodies, or anything else really for that matter. It might seem like it but if we did, we'd be better off than we are now.

 

[Serryah]

You tried to inject your opinion and tried to quantify it with your transplanted friends opinions on what the mindset of the western people are.

Sure, this is a forum where we all inject our opinions, so why go off on me for doing what others do?


Also, I have SOME Transplanted friends, and some from the West. So what? Just because they started out somewhere else doesn't make their opinions valid, even if they've been out west years?

Quick fact will we separate? Probably not, do we want to? Yes and it is coming out into the open that we are fed up with being the piggy bank, neglected whipping boy of the elite East.

"Coming out" - this 'we're going to leave' and the 'we're tired of being the piggy bank' mentality has been a thing for YEARS, not something that's just 'coming out'. And you know what? I AGREE; I DON'T think the West should be the 'piggy bank' for the rest of Canada. And also, I'm tired of the Elite West bitching and complaining about it and being all 4 year old tantrum about it.

Boomer is overstating what the majority of us are feeling, Diefenbaker, Clark, and Harper were our only voices in Ottawa. Clark was set up and removed by big potato over a small increase to the fuel tax, PET won the election on no fuel tax increase introduced the metric system and double the fuel tax with it. Harper was rejected because he treated all regions of Canada the same, and didn't promote the East over the West. He tried to put transparency into the indigenous community to open the eyes of all FN persons to the corruption of their leaders. Scheer is our next hope for common sense Gov. treating the West as equals at the National table, not as Rambunctious adolescent teens fighting for scraps at the kiddies table.

I actually have no issue with Diefenbaker or even Clark. Harper though was NOT some savior and he did not treat all regions of Canada the same. He didn't promote East over the West, but he also didn't promote Canada as a whole, either. To me, he was *too American* and not Canadian enough. He muzzled scientists and journalists... that is NOT a PM we deserve.

Sheer is worse than Harper.


But then there is NO current leader of any party, Nationally, that is worth voting for. If you think Sheer would bring all of Canada collectively to the table, as it were, to be equals, then you need to put down that kool aid.

 

[Serryah]

John, and Kim held the party line and ignored their roots, Harper was an Ontario transplant and remarkably embraced the West particularly Alta. as equals. Scheer is a transplant as well and looks to be following in Harper's footsteps and proclaiming and supporting that the West has as much rights in Canada as Ont. and Que.

And yet my friends who have embraced the West are lesser because they're transplants?

Now I know you're full of shyte.

 

[Serryah]

I gotta admit it is changing some, but essentially nose to the grindstone, pull your own weight, help where I can, work for what I receive, don't dictate to me what I have to do, give me a chance to agree.

So... a Westerner is an Easterner then, or visa versa?

 

[Serryah]

Okay, Serryah - just what is Canada's 'core identity'?

I think it's different for everyone, opinion wise.


To me, Canada's Core identity is someone who lives in the Country of Canada, regardless of where they are from originally. When it's someone not born here, they're people who Chose to come to Canada to live.


Everything else is subject to society.

 

[Serryah]

I agree I have worked with some good ones, what is the over all view of the West from the perception of the East? There is a large percentage of Ont./Que. people that come to work out West, that I've been around, admit to having a change of opinion of the West after working here. ,

My overall view is the West isn't that bad, I'd love to live there myself someday.

 

[pgs]

Sure, this is a forum where we all inject our opinions, so why go off on me for doing what others do?


Also, I have SOME Transplanted friends, and some from the West. So what? Just because they started out somewhere else doesn't make their opinions valid, even if they've been out west years?





"Coming out" - this 'we're going to leave' and the 'we're tired of being the piggy bank' mentality has been a thing for YEARS, not something that's just 'coming out'. And you know what? I AGREE; I DON'T think the West should be the 'piggy bank' for the rest of Canada. And also, I'm tired of the Elite West bitching and complaining about it and being all 4 year old tantrum about it.




I actually have no issue with Diefenbaker or even Clark. Harper though was NOT some savior and he did not treat all regions of Canada the same. He didn't promote East over the West, but he also didn't promote Canada as a whole, either. To me, he was *too American* and not Canadian enough. He muzzled scientists and journalists... that is NOT a PM we deserve.

Sheer is worse than Harper.


But then there is NO current leader of any party, Nationally, that is worth voting for. If you think Sheer would bring all of Canada collectively to the table, as it were, to be equals, then you need to put down that kool aid.

Harper muzzled journalists ? Please explain that one ? As for muzzling scientists, they were the ones working for the government and had signed confidentiality agreements , and they are still muzzled by those confidentiality agreements with the present government . Oh and they were also under the same agreements prior to Harper and his Conservatives.

 

[Durry]

My overall view is the West isn't that bad, I'd love to live there myself someday.

You have to work hard and long to do well in the West. The West is for hard working type of folk.

 

[Twin_Moose]

And yet my friends who have embraced the West are lesser because they're transplants?
Now I know you're full of shyte.

You forgot to bold and remarkably part of the post

 

[Twin_Moose]

"Coming out" - this 'we're going to leave' and the 'we're tired of being the piggy bank' mentality has been a thing for YEARS, not something that's just 'coming out'. And you know what? I AGREE; I DON'T think the West should be the 'piggy bank' for the rest of Canada. And also, I'm tired of the Elite West bitching and complaining about it and being all 4 year old tantrum about it.

Isn't that what I said the sentiment was here for years, but starting to come out in public recently, "recently" as in the last 10 years

Annnd there is the attitude I was speaking about "elite" West and "tantrum" The East coast struggles against Ottawa the same as the West and North so put away your daggers.

 

[petros]

My overall view is the West isn't that bad, I'd love to live there myself someday.

Everybody would. That's why there is so much jealousy of our wealth and laid back lifestyle.

 

[Curious Cdn]

You have to work hard and long to do well in the West. The West is for hard working type of folk.

I get inquiries weekly from Westerners asking about fairly basic engineering features of our products. If they're working harder, they are not working smarter or they would figure those relatively simple things out for themselves. I gladly answer and if a customer needs help, help they always get. Some days, though, I shake my head in wonderment, afterwards.

 

[Twin_Moose]

What "high unemployment"? What the hell kind of crap are you reading?
By the way, the "East" of the country (the center, actually) bares the brunt of immigration to Canada and people often head West from here. Even your ancestors did that, I dare say.

Ont. unemployment rate is 5.8% same as the national average why so high if there is more jobs available than Sask. and Alta. combined? Why the push for $15.00/hr min. wage if there is so many jobs available? Competition in the free market for all those jobs should set the average wage no?

 

[Twin_Moose]

So... a Westerner is an Easterner then, or visa versa?

That's the way it should be in theory, but it isn't in reality your own attitude in an other post demonstrates that

 

[Twin_Moose]

What "high unemployment"? What the hell kind of crap are you reading?
By the way, the "East" of the country (the center, actually) bares the brunt of immigration to Canada and people often head West from here. Even your ancestors did that, I dare say.

1/2 my family came through Montreal the other 1/2 through New York and up through Emerson