If Trudeau wins the Election in 2019..

B00Mer

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No need to waste time reinventing currency, laws, military when you can have all the benefits of the USA...

Most importantly, the Provinces will have more individual rights and powers as states.

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If Trudeau wins the election, kiss Canada goodbye as we know it..


I have news for you, Trudeau already won the last election and the last 4 years he's been in power he has achieved his goal of destroying the sovereignty of this country. With a deliberate strategy of divisive identity politics and policy of massive uncontrolled immigration, he has firmly established tribal division between the myriad of cultural and identity groups within the borders of this once great country. He has successfully destroyed any notion of national unity, with little hope of our country ever recovering from this attack from within. When the foundation has been compromised to the extent that it has, the prospect of rebuilding the structure on which it once supported becomes impossible.

Canada has lost it's traditional "core identity", and has become the "post-national" state that Trudeau promised and has worked so tirelessly to achieve. This country will fragment and separate geographically to match the fragmentation and disconnection of it's population which has already occurred, it's pretty much only a matter of time at this point.
 

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No need to waste time reinventing currency, laws, military when you can have all the benefits of the USA...
Most importantly, the Provinces will have more individual rights and powers as states.
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Without Ontario and Quebec our own currency would be on par or better with US.

Provinces? In our own Country we wouldn't need states or provinces.

Manitoba and Saskatchewan were originally to be one Province named Buffalo. Quebec and Ontario opposed it because it would have been more powerful than both.

https://thestarphoenix.com/opinion/columnists/saskatchewan-once-wanted-direct-access-to-hudson-bay
 
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Without Ontario and Quebec our own currency would be on par or better with US.
Provinces? In our own Country we wouldn't need states or provinces.
Manitoba and Saskatchewan were originally to be one Province named Buffalo. Quebec and Ontario opposed it because it would have been more powerful than both.
https://thestarphoenix.com/opinion/columnists/saskatchewan-once-wanted-direct-access-to-hudson-bay

Yes that is all good.. but nobody knows what the future will be, or who gets into power south of the border..

With the 3 provinces joining the USA, it would give the Republican base a boost, remove borders gives far more access to American markets, protection from US military and an already established and strong currency ..

It would be far better to be part of a mega economy than fighting to become one with political leaders trying for their own agenda..


http://www.americanuckradio.com/blo...u-s-state-by-force1eagle-a-citizen-of-alberta
 

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Bigger question how do Americans feel about Alberta joint the USA??

Right now there is considerable tension between the province of Alberta and the Federal government in Canada. There has long been some regional animosities as Albertans individually pay money in to subsidizing the public expenditures of eastern provinces, notably Quebec. According to American geopolitical consultant Peter Zeihan:

“Right now, every man, woman and child in Alberta pays $6,000 more into the national budget than they get back. Alberta is the only province that is a net contributor to that budget — by 2020, the number will exceed $20,000 per person, $40,000 per taxpayer. That will be the greatest wealth transfer in per capita terms in the Western world."

The strongest economic base of Alberta is the oil and gas industry, whose crude is selling at a massive discount compared to American crude due to lack of port access. The supreme court of Canada filed an injunction against construction of a Kinder Morgan expansion to the west coast, and the province of Quebec has repeatedly blocked attempts to construct a pipeline from Alberta to New Brunswick on the east coast. The situation has become so dire that the premier has recently purchased several thousand rail cars to move crude to market.

In a nutshell, Alberta is disproportionately footing the bill for provinces that simultaneously want to hamstring its economic development. The federal transfer payment system, known as equalization, massively benefits Quebec and the eastern provinces while contributing nothing to Alberta's rising provincial deficits. Quebec's economy has outperformed Alberta's in the last two years, while they have received over $20 Billion over the last two years... Alberta has received nothing from the system.

A rising minority in Alberta is now openly entertaining the notion of separating from Canada. Another very common sentiment is that Alberta should not only separate, but also actively seek US statehood. This would solve all of Alberta's current issues... port access would be very easily attained for its crude, its grain and other agricultural products would have easier access to American markets, and Albertans would save far more of their individual incomes under the current US system.

What would Americans think of such a thing? What type of debates would this stir up in the US if this were to actually happen?
 

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I have news for you, Trudeau already won the last election and the last 4 years he's been in power he has achieved his goal of destroying the sovereignty of this country. With a deliberate strategy of divisive identity politics and policy of massive uncontrolled immigration, he has firmly established tribal division between the myriad of cultural and identity groups within the borders of this once great country. He has successfully destroyed any notion of national unity, with little hope of our country ever recovering from this attack from within. When the foundation has been compromised to the extent that it has, the prospect of rebuilding the structure on which it once supported becomes impossible.

Canada has lost it's traditional "core identity", and has become the "post-national" state that Trudeau promised and has worked so tirelessly to achieve. This country will fragment and separate geographically to match the fragmentation and disconnection of it's population which has already occurred, it's pretty much only a matter of time at this point.


Funny, I still feel Canadian, and am all for national unity.

What core identity is this that you're saying we've lost?



Massive uncontrolled immigration? Uh, what part of Canada are you from, because there are provinces that NEED the immigration for various reasons. (BTW, if you're upset about "Canadians" not working jobs, get on the asses of the idiots not applying for them, not immigrants).

Seriously, I'm all for being against Trudeau for the election - I don't intend on voting for him either - but come ON. Destroyed Canada? Hardly. And I doubt that Alberta, Saskatchewan or anyone else will leave Canada, even to switch to the US. Only the insane would want that and the so called 'freedoms' that they would get are an illusion.
 

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Yes that is all good.. but nobody knows what the future will be, or who gets into power south of the border..
With the 3 provinces joining the USA, it would give the Republican base a boost, remove borders gives far more access to American markets, protection from US military and an already established and strong currency ..
It would be far better to be part of a mega economy than fighting to become one with political leaders trying for their own agenda..
http://www.americanuckradio.com/blo...u-s-state-by-force1eagle-a-citizen-of-alberta
Why on Earth would you want to capitulate to the US?

I'm sitting on the richest piece of real estate on the planet, why would I give it away?
 

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Funny, I still feel Canadian, and am all for national unity.
What core identity is this that you're saying we've lost?
Massive uncontrolled immigration? Uh, what part of Canada are you from, because there are provinces that NEED the immigration for various reasons. (BTW, if you're upset about "Canadians" not working jobs, get on the asses of the idiots not applying for them, not immigrants).
Seriously, I'm all for being against Trudeau for the election - I don't intend on voting for him either - but come ON. Destroyed Canada? Hardly. And I doubt that Alberta, Saskatchewan or anyone else will leave Canada, even to switch to the US. Only the insane would want that and the so called 'freedoms' that they would get are an illusion.
Take a close look at Quebec, they are setting themselves up for separation. 10 yrs from now Canada as you know it won't exist.
 

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Funny, I still feel Canadian, and am all for national unity.

What core identity is this that you're saying we've lost?



Massive uncontrolled immigration? Uh, what part of Canada are you from, because there are provinces that NEED the immigration for various reasons. (BTW, if you're upset about "Canadians" not working jobs, get on the asses of the idiots not applying for them, not immigrants).

Seriously, I'm all for being against Trudeau for the election - I don't intend on voting for him either - but come ON. Destroyed Canada? Hardly. And I doubt that Alberta, Saskatchewan or anyone else will leave Canada, even to switch to the US. Only the insane would want that and the so called 'freedoms' that they would get are an illusion.
There is over 50% in favour of separation in both Alberta and Saskatchewan, and no one is even pushing for it . If the movement found a charismatic leader and got serious we could easily see a referendum on their separation. That happening would be the end of Canada , Northeast B.C. would try to go along for the ride . You bring up immigration and are all for it , yet on other threads you are all for lowering our carbon emissions to 1990 levels , how can we do both ? Remember immigrants to Canada come here to participate in the most consumer driven economy in the world .
 

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Take a close look at Quebec, they are setting themselves up for separation. 10 yrs from now Canada as you know it won't exist.
If we tinker with equalization we could speed that up .
 

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Funny, I still feel Canadian, and am all for national unity.
What core identity is this that you're saying we've lost?
Massive uncontrolled immigration? Uh, what part of Canada are you from, because there are provinces that NEED the immigration for various reasons. (BTW, if you're upset about "Canadians" not working jobs, get on the asses of the idiots not applying for them, not immigrants).
Seriously, I'm all for being against Trudeau for the election - I don't intend on voting for him either - but come ON. Destroyed Canada? Hardly. And I doubt that Alberta, Saskatchewan or anyone else will leave Canada, even to switch to the US. Only the insane would want that and the so called 'freedoms' that they would get are an illusion.

You have no idea of the Western mindset except what you get from Eastern propaganda and what you read from us here on CC