So Trudeau is a crook?

DaSleeper

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If you can't trust a bank, who can you trust, eh?
If Trudeau senior had trusted the Bank of Canada to handle the Canadian debt like they did before he came into office in the '70s
Who knows we might be better off.....


https://canadiandimension.com/artic...-reinstated-to-its-original-mandated-purposes


An interesting read, but the crux of the matter is in this paragraph
At that time it seems that Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau came under the influence of neoliberalism, promulgated by Frederich Hayek and Milton Friedman. Then, while attending the Basil Committee sessions, he probably came under further influence of fellow Bilderberg attendees and as a result he accepted the partisan flawed logic from the world’s top banks. Apparently on the basis of this, he decided that Canada should dramatically reduce borrowing interest-free money from Canada’s own bank and instead borrow the bulk of its money from chartered banks and pay interest on the loans. It appears that this decision was made without informing Canada’s parliament. This was such a fundamental change of policy that it should not only have been debated in parliament, this should have been put to a national referendum. Strangely, even when this became known, this was apparently never questioned by the opposition parties, especially the NDP, and never revealed in the media. Strange indeed.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Trudeau has said he disagrees with Raybould's characterization of events. Let's wait to see what he has to say before we beatify this woman and take her word for gospel.

I already saw his reaction and he is a liar. He made sure to avoid the allegations and go right into political talking point mode. Key statements included: "Stephen Harper and Andrew Scheer are the same. We were only making inquiries." I will definitely be watching his testimony. I can't wait to watch the little Sunny Day Dictator try and explain his way out of this. It will be entertaining.

For an encore, he is also being subpoenaed by the defense for political interference in the Vice Admiral Mark Norman court martial.
 
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MHz

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The deal was to save the jobs and the pensions of innocent people.
Do you really want him to say the events between 2000-2011 is the standard way of doing business with 'controlled nations'. When Iraq was that controlled they were flying in pallets of $100 bills. Cuba before Fidel, Iran 1953-1979, Afghanistan 2001- present, Venezuela until Hugo, all operated just like that. Multi-national corporations are the businesses that need the help of the locals so they give a few powerful men some money and they make sure the workers as supplies as needed. The rest of the people are kept at starvation level as hungry people don;t revolt, it is the ones told to keep them at that level that are the ones to revolt.
By the 'other side' insisting on a trial that means witnesses and documents that show just how capitalism works. A Canadian company is allowed ti ignore Canadian laws when doing business in another country. They do not do that in Canada because the bribes come from a higher level. That would also lead to what happen when it General was at the help and he would make an excellent witness wouldn't he.

The pudgy guy in Parliament wearing a constant smirk will be getting a 'wtf' call from the IMF, . . . any minute now, . . . .

"What are you trying to hide?" Andrew Scheer GRILLS Justin Trudeau on Obstruction of justice




CONCLUSION

In current state, the Zircon missile is a mighty adversary to US Navy carrier groups and will potentially make the US carriers stay out of its range.
In future, laser weapons will be able to level the playing field.
 

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"I already saw his reaction and he is a liar"


And a stupid liar at that, but what is worse is he thinks we are all as stupid as he is. Every time he was questioned about SNC he went into his general spiel to the effect that he and his staff have been working their butts for ALL Canadians blah, blah, blah, blah, but never addressing any questions directly. I suppose come October given the stupidity of those in his electorate he could emerge as the sole Liberal left standing or at worse one of a few Quebec Liberals left standing.
 

MHz

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"I already saw his reaction and he is a liar"


And a stupid liar at that, but what is worse is he thinks we are all as stupid as he is. Every time he was questioned about SNC he went into his general spiel to the effect that he and his staff have been working their butts for ALL Canadians blah, blah, blah, blah, but never addressing any questions directly. I suppose come October given the stupidity of those in his electorate he could emerge as the sole Liberal left standing or at worse one of a few Quebec Liberals left standing.
All that proves is that he will stay loyal to the script he was handed by 'the ones in the shadows', the reward, a career in Canadian politics for life just for appearing as stupid as Trump in front of a camera. God help Canada if we ever start looking inside for people who have taken bribes, let alone offered one. One 'usually' has to lie to protect an even bigger lie.
 

MHz

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A little too well.

Exposing your own political party to corruption charges is not a move that will advance you in the party unless it is a coup, and this isn't one of those.
 

Ron in Regina

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So we can safely assume that the 5 former Attorneys General who signed a letter urging the RCMP to criminally investigate the SNC-Lavalin affair are also self-aggrandizing rats? How about Groper and the rest of the party who felt free to take shots at her while she was still gagged.
No, the fallout from this has nothing to do with JWR. The fallout is the result of a govt who shoves Trojan horse legislation through a 556 page omnibus budget bill and then tries to pressure the AG into circumventing the rules they just finished re-writing.

Luckily, Justin was still shooting himself in the foot on this one as seen below, regardless of how much pressure he tried to apply:

The Deferred Prosecution tool snuck into the Liberal's omnibus bill isn't applicable to SNC Lavolin anyway regardless of what Justin Trudeau wants and how much interference he tries to impose upon the office of the Attorney General.

From: http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ott...-push-for-deferred-prosecution-came-up-short/

The law does give prosecutors latitude to consider the national economic interest in their deliberations. But the legislative summary for Bill C-74 makes clear that prosecutors can only do so in cases that don’t involve bribery of foreign officials, which is exactly what SNC stands accused of doing.
 

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What did she do to warrant her resignation? By all accounts, she was doing her job well.
She could not deliver the dpa that the Prime minster wanted.

All she had to do was say sorry, cant do that, and step aside and let someone else do it.

Not how she decided to handle it.
 

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What did she do to warrant her resignation? By all accounts, she was doing her job well.
If the Liberals were smarter(!) they would have shut the feck up but they just can't get themselves past top-down, party discipline thuggery ... which is an extremely undemocratic way to conduct themselves in our system. Your local MP is supposed to be the fundamental unit of the Westminster style Parliament and this all-powerful rule from the Prime Minister's Office is a recent hijacking of a perfectly workable system that was developed by our ancestors. The wheels fell off, permanently, around the day that Justin's father imposed the War Measures Act in peacetime. Every PMO from that point on has gathered more and more political power around it until we have a Prime Minister dictator the beats down our elected MPs ...elected by us (we don't elect our PMs) so that they fall into line behind them.
 

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It goes back to ministers staying too long in a portfolio and getting blinded to the fact that its just a job and goes on with or without them.

Ms Raybould deciding she was going to protect some imagined integrity of the office is hilarious.(unless you're one of the thousands who gets wiped out by the prosecution)
 

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A little too well.
Exposing your own political party to corruption charges is not a move that will advance you in the party unless it is a coup, and this isn't one of those.
But it will advance you in the eyes of the voting public. Much more so if you have a status card and looking to further your careeer in that direction.
 

Curious Cdn

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It goes back to ministers staying too long in a portfolio and getting blinded to the fact that its just a job and goes on with or without them.
Ms Raybould deciding she was going to protect some imagined integrity of the office is hilarious.
No, she upheld the law.
 

Hoid

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She refused to give them a dpa.

That's all that happened.

Has nothing to do with the law or its application.

They would face the same the laws.
 

petros

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She refused to give them a dpa.
That's all that happened.
Has nothing to do with the law or its application.
They would face the same the laws.
Read closely. If you come across a big word ask for help:

Obstructing justice

139 (1) Every one who wilfully attempts in any manner to obstruct, pervert or defeat the course of justice in a judicial proceeding,

(a) by indemnifying or agreeing to indemnify a surety, in any way and either in whole or in part, or

(b) where he is a surety, by accepting or agreeing to accept a fee or any form of indemnity whether in whole or in part from or in respect of a person who is released or is to be released from custody,

is guilty of

(c) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or

(d) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Marginal note:Idem

(2) Every one who wilfully attempts in any manner other than a manner described in subsection (1) to obstruct, pervert or defeat the course of justice is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years.

Marginal note:Idem

(3) Without restricting the generality of subsection (2), every one shall be deemed wilfully to attempt to obstruct, pervert or defeat the course of justice who in a judicial proceeding, existing or proposed,

(a) dissuades or attempts to dissuade a person by threats, bribes or other corrupt means from giving evidence;

(b) influences or attempts to influence by threats, bribes or other corrupt means a person in his conduct as a juror; or

(c) accepts or obtains, agrees to accept or attempts to obtain a bribe or other corrupt consideration to abstain from giving evidence, or to do or to refrain from doing anything as a juror.

R.S., c. C-34, s. 127; R.S., c. 2(2nd Supp.), s. 3; 1972, c. 13, s. 8.
 

Ron in Regina

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She could not deliver the dpa that the Prime minster wanted.

All she had to do was say sorry, cant do that, and step aside and let someone else do it.

Not how she decided to handle it.


So with someone else in the Attorney Generals seat, SNC Lavolin wouldn't be involved in bribing foreign officials and thus making a DPA applicable somehow?
 

Hoid

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DPA does not change anything in regards to the laws being pursued.