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spilledthebeer

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I see you are now adding a commentary mixed into your copy and pastes. You were smart to take my advise on this because the fair use clause doesnt protect you if you use someone else's intellectual property in the same manner as it's original intent.


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POOR BONDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are a BAD LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Which makes you a PERFECT LIE-BERAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I have NOT ALTERED my posting habits in ANY WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Admit it now Bondo- you are just hoping I will stop pointing out how you are following the CBC lead in LYING ABOUT fair usage



policy in a desperate attempt to silence logical, sensible and effective critics of FAILING LIE-beral policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You and your LIE-beral pals have demonstrated that LIE-beral policy can ONLY HOLD RESPECT IN A WORLD WERE NO HONEST



QUESTIONS ARE ALLOWED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

spilledthebeer

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if I could alter the way you post, I'd take away your caps key so you would stop yelling


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Oh Bondo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YOU DO LIE SO VERY BADLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I have already- on several occasions- provided you with DIRECT QUOTES FROM A CDN LAW PROFESSOR CLEARLY INDICATING



YOU ARE LYING ABOUT YOUR "FAIR USE" INTERPRETATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


For the record- the law professor told us that FAIR USE for political comment is MUCH MORE LENIENT than what would be allowed



for such things as a work of fiction- created EXPRESSLY FOR PROFIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A succession of DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENTS HAVE ALL DECIDED that getting the public FULLY INFORMED is



more important than a restrictive LIE-beral style "fair use" policy THAT ONLY PROMOTES CENSORSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



This is why I have so persistently labeled both you and your LIE-beral loving CBC poobahs as LIARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Because both you and CBC promote the SAME BIASED and restrictive interpretation of fair use of political comments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As for you wanting to take away my "CAPS" and my !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! marks as well- WE BOTH KNOW that if you had



your way- you would do a LOT MORE THAN THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If commissars such as you had full power- people like me would end up in a LIE-beral run Soviet style Re-Education camp- with all



the frostbite, starvation and beating I could handle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE KNOW that is how socialism starts- with INTOLERANCE- and then it expands due to opposition- into full blown Communism!!!!!!!
 

JamesBondo

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I have already- on several occasions- provided you with DIRECT QUOTES FROM A CDN LAW PROFESSOR CLEARLY INDICATING...

I didn't see it and that is your fault because your style of posting is so annoying, I often don't bother to read everything you post. Ask anyone here, I think you will find they don't read everything you write too unless it is a slow day.

...Plus you are so busy accusing me of things that I am not, why would I take anything you write seriously?
 

spilledthebeer

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I didn't see it and that is your fault because your style of posting is so annoying, I often don't bother to read everything you post. Ask anyone here, I think you will find they don't read everything you write too unless it is a slow day.

...Plus you are so busy accusing me of things that I am not, why would I take anything you write seriously?


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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


TYPICAL LIE=BERAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The usual pathetic whining excuses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I didnt see it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I was not aware!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I dont read your posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And when a LIE-beral tells us "I was not aware" - it means I WAS AWARE AND WAS TRYING ON SOME LARGE SCALE B.S!!!!!!!!!!



You are a TYPICAL LIE-beral- hoping that bullying and bluster will make opponents back down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So- if you never read my posts then WHY do you rage against them so very often?????????????????????????????


And if nobody bothers to read my posts - as YOU CLAIM - then WHY are you WORKING SO VERY HARD TO CENSOR ME????????????


If my stuff is not being read then it cannot HURT ANYBODY??????????????????????


But we KNOW you are a LIE-beral and you are seeking frantically for some way to SAVE even a small part of the DISGRACED LIE-beral platform with all those SELFISH LIE-beral policies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just LOOK at Our idiot Boy and his China mess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Here is an article illustrating exactly how out of touch Our idiot Boy is with regard to trade and national security issues. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Chinese ambassador says Trudeau's 'progressive' agenda has no place in free trade pact

From Canadian Press. Published: April 10, 2018. Updated: April 10, 2018 4:26 PM EDT

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Canada

OTTAWA — China’s ambassador says his country firmly rejects Canada’s attempts to entrench labour standards in a free trade pact.

Envoy Lu Shaye says Canada’s so-called progressive trade agenda has no place in a free trade agreement.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was unable to persuade China’s leaders to formally entrench labour, gender, environment and governance issues in the negotiating framework of free trade talks.

(It is silly enough for Our idiot Boy to talk progressive trade issues with our Yankee allies but it is quite utterly INSANE to talk progressive issues with China! China has a LONG HISTORY of using convicted criminals and political prisoners in dangerous and dirty jobs- working these social undesirables as slave labour! Our idiot Boy actually thought he could discuss women`s issues and the rights of people labouring in Chinese Galags with his Chinese pals! The Chinese must have wondered what Our idiot Boy was smoking? Or maybe they were just put off by his tactless stupidity and hunger for selfies?)

(After all, Pierre Trudeau heaped fawning praise on Chairman Mao for “his genius in rushing 30 million Chinese to the gallows”! And Our idiot Boy told us a couple of years back that he admires the Chinese Communist Party “for the way they get things done”! And idiot brother Sacha Trudope penned an homage to vile Cuban dictator Castro in which he claimed that “Castro ws the greatest South American leader of the twentieth century- and much superior to other leaders who had only been elected”!)

(And yet- there was Our idiot Boy whining about progressive social issues to Chinese leaders who consider the entire Trudeau clan to be “useful idiots”- to use the Lenin phrase! China will be polite enough to the Trudopes when it is convenient for China! But they have no desire to become props in the psycho drama being played out by a silver spoon socialist with “daddy issues” like Our idiot Boy!)

(Pierre Trudeau has clearly indoctrinated his boys fully into his poisoned mind set that includes such philosophical gems a these: “that the war against Nazi Germany was British imperialism” and that what Pierre referred to as “Cdn Imperialism” has to be destroyed- apparently Pierre was referring to what we now call “white privilege”! With such a twisted freak family back ground it is little wonder that Our idiot Boy thinks that Isis fighters returning to Canada “can become a powerful voice in our country”! And there is little surprise that Chinese leaders refused to be part of the Trudope progressive trade parade that seems motivated mainly by a hope that Our idiot Boy can find some international approval and support for the wsy he is deliberately screwing up NAFTA to spite the Yankees that he hates!)

Trudeau spent four days in China in December but left without a formal commitment to moving the free trade talks past the exploratory phase into formal negotiations.

Lu says Canada’s insistence on pushing labour standards in the NAFTA talks with Mexico to raise wages would only lead to the shuttering of Mexican auto plants and lost jobs.

(Yes- the Chinese see more clearly than Our idiot Boy! The jobs went to Mexico as a vital way to control rising union costs and make Yankee cars more affordable- in the face of formidable sales pressure from other auto makers around the world! A trade agreement that raised Mexican wages WOULD result in CLOSED Mexican car plants as higher prices killed car sales!)

Lu says starting a free trade negotiation with Canada would send a strong message to the world as it contends with the Trump administration’s “America First” protectionism.

(Our idiot Boy would be DELIGHTED to set up a free trade deal with China! The problem is that such a deal would GUT CDN SOVEREIGNTY! Chinese negotiators play HARD BALL! A free trade deal with China would make those current Trump demands on national security- which would BENEFIT CANADA AS WELL AS YANKEES- seem simple and mild compared to Chinese requirements for a deal! Our idiot Boy must have been badly disappointed at having his progressive trade shtick so bluntly rebuffed by the Chinese after having spent so many years as a dedicated, card carrying member of the silver spoon socialist “useful idiot” brigade!)
 

JamesBondo

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Dude it is not anyone else's responsibility to read your posts. It is up to you to make us want to read your posts and your annoying style gets in your way of that. clearly, you need to stop making excuses for your assholery.
 

spilledthebeer

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Dude it is not anyone else's responsibility to read your posts. It is up to you to make us want to read your posts and your annoying style gets in your way of that. clearly, you need to stop making excuses for your assholery.




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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The LIE-beral LIES Again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


POOR STUPID BONDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He thinks his B.S. will baffle me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bondo - both you and CBC media stand ACCUSED - AND CONVICTED of telling LIES about "Fair Use" policy related to political



comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Both you and CBC have used a twisted and entirely DISHONEST interpretation of fair use- and you have done so ONLY to SILENCE



and CENSOR CRITICS whose arguments you do not agree with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Your debating methods are ENTIRELY DISHONEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And in the STANDARD HYPOCRITE LIE-beral style you have run through all the usual attempts to LIMIT FREE SPEECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


First you offered a barrage of Fake News that was picked apart and brushed aside!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Then you started making legfal noises about your LYING "fair use" interpretation and THAT CRAP was defeated with quotes from a



Cdn LAW PROFESSOR which has exposed both you and CBC media as DELIBERATELY LYING ABOUT FAIR USE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And now you are just blathering about how it is my obligation to make you want to read my posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then you WHINE on about how ANNOYING MY POSTS ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



OF COURSE MY POSTS ARE ANNOYING TO YOU FOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are a LIE-beral and ALL your LIE-beral polices are being EXPOSED as costly FAILURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


IT WOULD BE A MIRACLE IF YOU DID ENJOY MY POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


All this is to POINT OUT WHY ALL LIE-beral policy is in such ugly DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are simply wrong about MANY THINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

spilledthebeer

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The LIE-beral LIES Again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


POOR STUPID BONDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He thinks his B.S. will baffle me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bondo - both you and CBC media stand ACCUSED - AND CONVICTED of telling LIES about "Fair Use" policy related to political



comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Both you and CBC have used a twisted and entirely DISHONEST interpretation of fair use- and you have done so ONLY to SILENCE



and CENSOR CRITICS whose arguments you do not agree with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Your debating methods are ENTIRELY DISHONEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And in the STANDARD HYPOCRITE LIE-beral style you have run through all the usual attempts to LIMIT FREE SPEECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


First you offered a barrage of Fake News that was picked apart and brushed aside!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Then you started making legfal noises about your LYING "fair use" interpretation and THAT CRAP was defeated with quotes from a



Cdn LAW PROFESSOR which has exposed both you and CBC media as DELIBERATELY LYING ABOUT FAIR USE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And now you are just blathering about how it is my obligation to make you want to read my posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then you WHINE on about how ANNOYING MY POSTS ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



OF COURSE MY POSTS ARE ANNOYING TO YOU FOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are a LIE-beral and ALL your LIE-beral polices are being EXPOSED as costly FAILURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


IT WOULD BE A MIRACLE IF YOU DID ENJOY MY POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


All this is to POINT OUT WHY ALL LIE-beral policy is in such ugly DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are simply wrong about MANY THINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!








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Hey Bondo- because you are such a SLOW LEARNING TYPE -here is a repeat of the article which EXPOSES BOTH you and CBC



as Fair Use LIARS!!!!!!






Here is an older article illustrating civil service union Hog greed and just how much support they are prepared to give to LIE-berals in exchange for gravy. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Hubert Lacroix, the president of the CBC, recently placed the future of the Canada’s national public broadcaster on the electoral map with comments aimed at sparking a renewed debate on future funding models. Lacroix disputed claims that low ratings are to blame for the CBC’s financial struggles, instead pointing to the need to consider alternative fee schemes, including new levies on Internet providers or supplementary charges on television purchases.

(So greedy CBC Hogs want to pick the pockets of other businesses in order to salvage their own suddenly shaky place on the LIE-beral gravy train! Why should internet providers be made to pay because their viewers and users have chosen to TURN OFF CBC tv and radio? And considering how widely and rapidly the CBC article mocking the LIE-beral MyDemocracy website as “a box of doughnuts” circulated- it is entirely CLEAR that Cdns will listen to CBC IF it ever finds anything else relevant to say! And that is the trouble- CBC is so busy spouting LIE-beral propaganda that it as NOTHING REAL to say!)

While disagreement over CBC funding is as old as the broadcaster itself, the more uncomfortable discussion for the CBC is its coverage of the 2015 election campaign — particularly its approach to national debates and political party advertising — which raises troubling questions about its relevance in the current media environment.

(Meaning the 2015 federal election that brought Our idiot Boy Justin to power- which featured regular media efforts to smear Conservatives and aid Our idiot Boy and his moronic minons!)

Most would agree that the CBC features an excellent group of reporters and boasts insightful analysts for its panel discussions. However, rather than working to make itself an invaluable resource for the election, the CBC has been unnecessarily restrictive in its broadcasting choices and in the use of its content.

The problem is obvious- CBC DOES NOT WANT informed voters- it wants LIE-beral voters! It jumped on the MyDemocracy website as a one off chance to temporarily show its faux impartiality- about a subject that other media was so scornful of that CBC felt compelled to jump on the band wagon in an effort to cover its own ass!)

The most puzzling decision has been its refusal to broadcast debates hosted by other organizations. The CBC may be disappointed with the debate approach adopted by the political parties in this campaign, but that does not change the sense that if the national public broadcaster does not air programs in the national public interest, it calls into question the very need for a public broadcaster. Indeed, the CBC seems to have cut its nose off to spite its face by doing its best to prove its critics right.

(CBC is being typically Hoggish in refusing to accept debate programing that it did not produce and does not approve of because it does not contain LIE-beral bias! LIE-berals consider suitable debate to be a series of easy questions lobbed gently at them so they can knock it out of the park! Real debate with actually facts is something LIE-berals increasingly SHUN! CBC recognizes- as all Hogs do- that LIE-beral victory- meaning MORE GRAVY- is also a win for CBC- thus CBC DOES NOT WANT any critical examination of LIE-beral policy- for fear of discovering the ROT at its heart!)

The CBC’s odd coverage choices are not limited to the missing debates. Its use of video clips from the debates has also been unnecessarily restrictive. For example, before analyzing the recent Munk debates on the “At Issue” panel, host Peter Mansbridge warned viewers that “we are limited with the excerpts with the amount we are allowed to show.” A similar warning preceded the discussion at other debates.

Yet the reality is that there was no need to be restrictive in the use of video clips. Canadian copyright law permits the use of copyrighted works without permission as part of the fair dealing clause. News reporting is one of the enumerated purposes and even expanded clips would easily qualify under a fair dealing analysis.

(So CBC lied about its policy of deliberately limiting public debate!)

(HEY THERE JAMES BONDO- I DO HOPE YOU HAVE READ AND UNDERSTOOD about using news clips and such AS THIS DOES MAKE YOU LOOK A FOOL!!!!! And it works for print media as well so long as the real author is given full credit as I always DO! And there is a further issue I am careful with- and that is NOT to put words into the mouth of another writer- it is for this reason that I always make it known that my comments are in brackets when I add words to an article!)

All news organizations are free to use as much of the video from debates as necessary to highlight key moments and positions of each leader. To suggest that the law creates significant limits on the ability to show debate clips is inaccurate.

In fact, the CBC’s misreading of the law is not limited to the use of clips within its news broadcasts.

Just prior to the election call, it asked YouTube and Facebook to remove a Conservative campaign advertisement that used clips from a CBC interview with Liberal leader Justin Trudeau. To support its takedown claim, the CBC argued that “no one – no individual candidate or political party, and no government, corporation or NGO – may re-use our creative and copyrighted property without our permission. This includes our brands, our talent and our content.”

That too is wrong.

(OH? MORE CBC/LIE-beral censorship and deliberate mis-representation of law and facts? And it relates to CBC being wrong about its crap on a paying site! Copyright law covering political comment on a FREE/NON profit site like this is even LOOSER! You have made yourself look foolish as usual!)

The law features important limitations on the rights of all copyright holders and all media organizations regularly rely on them in their reporting. The limits of copyright extend to campaign commercials and there is little that the CBC- or anyone else- can do about it.

With its rejection of the national debates, its limited use of debate clips and its attempts to limit re-use of its broadcast content, Canada’s national public broadcaster has marginalized itself during the election campaign at the very time that it could be demonstrating its relevance to the national political coverage.

(Worse- CBC has been caught deliberately trying to stack voter choice! Just as Our idiot Boy is trying to take over and paralyze our parliament with his idiot electoral reform!)

Michael Geist holds the Canada Research Chair in Internet and E-commerce Law at the University of Ottawa, Faculty of Law.

(Geist has done us a favour by illustrating the ugly bias that CBC is trying to hide!)
 

JamesBondo

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Sorry stb, I don't read or watch anything from CBC. It is your responsibility to convince me otherwise. unfortunately for you 'hahahaha!!!!!!!!' is not working for you. clearly you need to put more effort into it or wait for a slow day where I might read it.
 

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US gun deaths reach record high in 2017
...39,773 people died by guns in 2017, which is an increase of more than 10,000 deaths from the 28,874 in 1999. The age-adjusted rate of firearm deaths per 100,000 people rose from 10.3 per 100,000 in 1999 to 12 per 100,000 in 2017....
https://www.theroot.com/gun-deaths-in-us-at-record-high-nra-says-chill-on-gun-1831080159
Well, that's 'cause not enough of them are armed. If each and every American over the age of six is slingin' a shootin' iron on his hip, that death rate will go magically down.

Guaranteed!

NRA Cerified! ®
 

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The article has it right. There is no solution forthcoming from the gun lobby.
 

Colpy

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The article has it right. There is no solution forthcoming from the gun lobby.


"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


My emphasis.


You have to deal with that first.


Then deal with the ensuing civil war.


Meanwhile, deal with the fact that over 60% of those deaths were voluntary.....in other words, suicide.


You can also deal with the fact that guns are used at least several hundred thousand times a year in the USA for self defence, 19 times out of 20 with no shots fired.


There is no easy solution, in fact there is no solution at all.