Mad Max is Right About Conservatives Being Liberal Light

Colpy

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Of course he is right about the Conservative Party being close to the Liberals in a lot of their policies.


This is Canada, where all the political parties of any significance are jammed into the middle of the political spectrum.


We always agreed on more than we disagreed.


I wouldn't call the Conservative Party Liberal Light, I'd call them liberal right, and the NDP are liberal left.


But the differences, on deficit, on culture, on the meaning of liberty are, at the same time, significant.
 

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Bankers are running the show, no matter who gets elected.



Soros teaching Trudy the secret salute motion from the ground up.
SIG HEIL, eh?

Please note who is sitting in the cow seat.
 

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Of course he is right about the Conservative Party being close to the Liberals in a lot of their policies.


This is Canada, where all the political parties of any significance are jammed into the middle of the political spectrum.


We always agreed on more than we disagreed.


I wouldn't call the Conservative Party Liberal Light, I'd call them liberal right, and the NDP are liberal left.


But the differences, on deficit, on culture, on the meaning of liberty are, at the same time, significant.


Yea, I was considering Liberal Right as well.

Good call.
 

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I really have a hard time understanding why so many conservative on CC deny the amount Harper added to the national debt. It is a matter of public record.

No matter how you add it up, Harper’s fiscal record is a catastrophe






https://ipolitics.ca/2015/04/19/no-matter-how-you-add-it-up-harpers-fiscal-record-is-a-catastrophe/


He added to the national debt during and in the aftermath of the worst world-wide financial crisis in decades.


And he left office with a balanced budget.



The theory is spend during hard times, pay down debt during good times.


Harper did what is necessary.


Trudeau is spending like a madman during good times, when he should be paying down debt.


And he has no plans to balance the budget......ever.


Harper is competent.


Trudeau is incompetent.
 

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Well you have an accountant in office you get accounting.
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You have a PART TIME Drama teacher in office you get "if can't do, teach"...part time...and drama.
 

spilledthebeer

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The one that is bullshit?
What the liberals did with the debt more closely resembles a game of three card Monty than paying bills.see Cpp and EI theft.



In fairness he did close most of the loopholes imitately afterwards.

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OH yes- Martin DID CLOSE those oh so handy loopholes once he had HIS MONEY out of Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Paul Martin is the CLASSIC LIE-beral Hypocrite!!!!!!!!!!!!

LIE-berals keep talking about tax "fairness" but what they mean is MORE GRAVY FOR THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Here is an article illustrating yet again how thinly veiled is the LIE-beral disdain for standard rules of behaviour and how poorly developed is their understanding of ethics! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Top Liberal fundraiser Bronfman claims no wrongdoing after Paradise Papers tax haven accusation

Canadian Press: Published: November 6, 2017. Updated: November 6, 2017 11:46 AM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Canada

OTTAWA — The federal Liberal party’s chief fundraiser says he has never violated Canada’s tax laws through the use of offshore tax havens.

(There may not have been any laws broken but it is typical and very UNSAVOURY LIE-beral behaviour to exploit every tax dodge to the absolute maximum- while sticking it to ordinary Cdns who lack the connections and resources to exploit those loopholes! Former LIE-beral finance minister-and briefly prime minister- Pail Martin exported billion dollars worth of his Canada Steamship Lines resources out of Canada without the bother of paying any export duties- using tax loopholes he left in his own legislation. Martin is in the same boat as Bronfman- no actual criminal wrong doing is proven but both men are snared in deals reeking of corruption and LIE-beral privilege!)

(LIE-beral prime minster Jean Chretien was snared in a similar situation when he intervened to ensure that a guy suspected of organized crime connections could get a govt grant- since no bank would deal with him- to buy a hotel owned by Chretien- again the reek of corruption and favouritism was very strong! Then there is the LIE-beral adscam business in which three billion dollars of Cdn tax money disappeared from the federal Human Resources Ministry under very suspect conditions- with two men eventually being sentenced to jail terms- just more highly suspect reek of corruption surrounding LIE-beral affairs! LIE-berals have made it clear we must do as they say but we are forbidden to benefit as they do!)

Stephen Bronfman has issued a statement saying he’s never funded nor used offshore trusts, and that all his Canadian trusts have paid all federal taxes on their income.

Tax avoidance measures involving offshore trusts are legal, provided that the trust is genuinely managed offshore and that Canadian taxes are paid on any Canadian contributions.

(OH the weasel words! The Bronfman money is offshore specifically to avoid Cdn taxes and increase earnings so assurances that all applicable Cdn taxes have been paid is an empty assurance that means nothing! It is a silly LIE-beral word game to reduce taxes by hiring an “off-shore” manager to do exactly the same work as a Cdn manager- for way less tax!)

According to the Toronto Star and CBC/Radio Canada, records suggest Bronfman and his family’s Montreal-based investment company, Claridge Inc., were linked to an offshore trust in the Cayman Islands that may have used questionable means to avoid paying millions in taxes.

Bronfman says he made a single loan more than 25 years ago to the trust that was repaid five months later, which was all in full compliance with Canadian law.

The statement says that Bronfman, a close friend of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, will not be making any further comment about the revelations in the wake of a second massive leak of tax-haven financial records.

While Justin Trudeau spent the summer calling local business operators tax cheats, it was in fact his top lieutenants within the Liberal Party of Canada who were avoiding paying taxes here in Canada.

It is no secret that the Prime Minister needs money to pay for his out-of-control deficits. But instead of cracking down on the tax-avoidance schemes, described by the Paradise Papers, used by his wealthy friends, like Stephen Bronfman, Trudeau is forcing you to pay the bill.

Justin Trudeau's well-connected Liberal friends get away with paying less, and you pay more. There is nothing fair about that.

(Civil service union Hogs- always desperate for more gravy- have launched a campaign whining that Cdn corporate taxes are too low and are harming the economy! They want Cdn based businesses taxed more heavily for THEIR benefit- but are ignoring Bronfman, Paul Martin and all manner of other LIE-berals who happily enjoy tax breaks as described in the Paradise Papers! Hog greed is a shameless thing!)

(And since LIE-berals are so desperate for more cash then why do they not impose the health levy on civil service Hogs? One employed Cdn in three works for govt yet NONE of the Hogs pays the Ontari-owe health levy! It’s the usual “good for you but not for us” crap!)

The statement says that Bronfman, a close friend of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, will not be making any further comment about the revelations in the wake of a second massive leak of tax-haven financial records.

(No more statements? Gosh- what could LIE-berals possibly say about this situation that would not dig them in even deeper? And the LIE-beral hypocrite mind set dictates that if they do not talk about it then it never happened and the rest of us should shut up and FORGET!)
 

mentalfloss

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Now's your chance to support a party that's legitimately right wing (libertarian).


Maxime Bernier has enough support to register new political party: source

OTTAWA – A number of supporters who backed Maxime Bernier‘s oh-so-close bid for the Conservative leadership say they want nothing to do with his plan to start a new party – but one source says the maverick ex-Tory already has what he needs to register his enterprise with Elections Canada.

“I have the support of members of the Conservative party,” Bernier said in French. “Maybe not the 3,000 who are in Halifax now, but the Conservative party has 150,000 members as we speak. I think that is where I find the support I saw in the last few days, in the phone calls, the emails I got.”

There were signs on social media of people willing to make the jump, including some convention delegates who were tearing up their membership cards after a proposed resolution to abolish Canada’s supply management system for poultry and dairy products never even made it to debate.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4409180/maxime-bernier-new-party-registration/amp/
 

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He added to the national debt during and in the aftermath of the worst world-wide financial crisis in decades.


And he left office with a balanced budget.



The theory is spend during hard times, pay down debt during good times.


Harper did what is necessary.


Trudeau is spending like a madman during good times, when he should be paying down debt.


And he has no plans to balance the budget......ever.


Harper is competent.


Trudeau is incompetent.


I suspect you are wrong about a couple of things. First of all you appear to be criticizing Trudeau for policies that you approved when Harper did them. And second the current growth rate is outstripping the current deficit, so when Trudeau said the budget would balance itself he was pretty much on track. And Justin was competent enough to lead his party to victory.

So, how many followed?



What was it spent on?


The budgets are public record. Look them up. However, like many conservatives you have missed the point of Harper's deficits. They were caused by large tax cuts that mainly benefited the wealthy and not by improvements to Canada's infrastructure. Harper bought into the myth that tax cuts to his wealthy friends would lead to increased economic growth. It is a policy that has never really worked.
 

petros

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I suspect you are wrong about a couple of things. First of all you appear to be criticizing Trudeau for policies that you approved when Harper did them. And second the current growth rate is outstripping the current deficit, so when Trudeau said the budget would balance itself he was pretty much on track. And Justin was competent enough to lead his party to victory.




The budgets are public record. Look them up. However, like many conservatives you have missed the point of Harper's deficits. They were caused by large tax cuts that mainly benefited the wealthy and not by improvements to Canada's infrastructure. Harper bought into the myth that tax cuts to his wealthy friends would lead to increased economic growth. It is a policy that has never really worked.

Most of the money went to infrastructure and Action plan

Look it up, it's public record.
 

mentalfloss

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Conbots.

Almost as bad as Trumptards.



With an average annual real GDP growth rate of 1.6%, under Stephen Harper’s tenure the Canadian economy grew by nearly half the rate it did for his predecessors in the decade before he took office. It was nearly three times worse than Canada’s growth rate during the 1950s and 1960s.

Under Harper, real GDP grew “barely enough to keep up with population growth,” says Stanford. “And by early 2015, real GDP actually began shrinking.”

PressProgress
 

petros

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Somehow I doubt that.
Of course you would think that but ActionPlan is part of #2.

You're in Edmonton correct? How do you like the Henday and major improvements to the Yellowhead? Or how about the LRT expansion?

Go further West and you'll see the widest bridge in the world, twinning of Highway #1, or the Canada Line or the new roof on BC Place.

How many small towns got new RO and waste water treatment facilities?

What has Trudeau built of note?
 

Cannuck

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Makes sense though.

If more people live in one particular territory, then it's more democratic for that territory to have more influence.

It's not democratic to draw up lines of influence based on arbitrary geography.

It's 2018. Why are we still dividing ourselves along arbitrary lines on a map? Why do the people that live in Winnipeg South get to get together and elect someone to represent them but electricians don't....or left handed red-heads.

The current system made a lot of sense when land was the foundation of the economy
 

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Didn't realize they were given a seat in parliament.

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Absolutely amazing that LIE-berals keep on repeating the same old LIES about Harper and budgets!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The price of oil plummeted due to international events- with the result that the $10 - $14 billion dollar deficits that Ottawa had enjoyed thanks to Alberta oil tax revenue VANISHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LIE-berals then spent YEARS screaming hysterically at Harper that HE NEEDED TO SPEND MORE- AND RUN US much

deeper into debt To save the economy!!!!!!!!

And once LIE-berals came to power on a wave of Fake News about how they could save "the middle class" -meaning

their civil service union Hog allies- LIE-berals turned around and cried that Harper had spent TOO MUCH!!!!!

LIE-beral Fake News is so crude it could just as easily have come straight from the desk of Nazi PROPAGANDA

MINISTER Joseph Goebels!


Oh pity the poor Lie-berals and their civil service Working Family Hog allies. They must stretch the truth to the breaking point and beyond in an effort to smear Conservatives. Here is a random sample of Lie-beral accusations made recently:

Accuse conservatives of suppressing scientific findings. Apparently telling civil service Hogs their wages will be frozen because we cannot afford to pay them more without wrecking our economy is Unscientific?

Accuse conservatives of suppressing votes for women. Apparently the Lie-beral idea that 50 percent of parliament seats should be reserved for women regardless of who Cdns REALLY WANT to elect is popular amongst some aspiring fascist dictator types who expect to be able to manipulate the newly elected!

Accuse conservatives of suppressing Black right to vote. Sorry, wrong country, wrong century! This is modern 21st century Canada, not 1850 Mississippi!

Suppression of legalized alcohol? What? Did some Lie-beral get arrested for running a still recently?

Suppression of green technology? Lie-berals had better take a closer look at public opinion regarding the Ontari-owe experience with `green` technology that ONLY cleans wallets and has done NOTHING to clean the air!

Too bad for Lie-berals that their accusations are vague and open to much debate and often relate to other countries and other centuries and other political groups who have no connection to Cdn Conservatives. Lie-berals make desperate and silly accusations because they DO NOT have valid ones. But Conservatives prefer to work with FACTS rather than Lie-beral style mud slinging.

It is historical fact that Lie-beral prime minister Mackenzie King met with Adolf Hitler in 1936 and came back to Canada to tell us Hitler was “a dour but basically good man bringing some much need discipline and hope to the German people. And that Winston Churchill was a war monger”!

Lie-beral prime ministers have led Canada for fully 70 years of the twentieth century and thus we see it is Lie-beral spending and mismanagement that has produced our great debts and our annual deficits. Any conservative who tries to clean up the mess is immediately labeled a BAD money manager and accused of suppressing various idiot facts by the people who MADE the mess with their insane habit of buying the support of civil service gravy train riding Hogs!

The latest numbers from StatsCan tell us that the two most expensive to operate govts in Cdn history-outside of the world wars- were run by Trudopes! Father Pierre-Our Pet and Our idiot Boy Justin the son of Our Pet!

Statistics Canada tells us that Cdn debt rises fastest when we have coalition govts-a pairing of LIE-beral and NDP morons is MOST COSTLY! With 2 parties sharing power , we must pay for 2 sets of pet political projects-and now Our IMBECILE Boy Justin wants to share power with the LUNATIC FRINGE! LIE-beral -Our brainless Boy is trying to RIG our elections with electoral reform so that LIE-berals will never really lose power-they will create a parliament that is full of fringe parties they can work with and ensure that lunatic fringe groups such as PETA, Green Party, Black Lives Matter and the Muslim supporters of a new Cdn caliphate will have MUCH GREATER GOVT INFLUENCE in future!

Lie-berals do not want to discuss Pierre Trudeau and his rabid dictator values. Our PET Pierre spent 1942 roaring around Montreal on a motorcycle trying to organize a dock workers union so he could use it to disrupt the flow of supplies to Europe and hamper what he saw as the “British war of Imperialism against Nazi Germany”!

Lie-berals do not want to talk about the wonderful warm reception Our PET got in 1950`s Communist China-Mao and the Red Guards had not even finished jailing and murdering opponents and yet they welcomed Trudeau with open arms and let him roam FREELY through the country. Our PET did not worry much about the rights of anybody but himself-and taught his brainless Boy to think as he did!

When our PET came back to Canada he waxed eloquent about life in China and told reporters “he wanted to take Canada from the past into the future via the route of radical socialism”! So much for Cdn democracy!

And the son of our PET-Our idiot Boy Justin has ALSO expressed his admiration for “the way the Chinese get things done”. By which he means the senior dictators simply decide what they want and issue orders-there is NONE of that silly dissent and messy opposition party nonsense in China-no need for their premier to run through their parliament elbowing people and shouting “get the **** out of my way”! Chinese leaders simply use violence and jail to silence ANY opposition because the leaders are always right....even when they are NOT! This is the virtue of owning all the printing presses and news media and schools and secret police- NOTHING happens unless the dictators approve it! And NOBODY laughs at absurd accusations of Conservative suppression over there either-its NOT ALLOWED!
 

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How Maxime Bernier could play the role of spoiler

As Eric Grenier, the CBC’s polling expert, points out, the issue is not how many seats Mr. Bernier could win. It’s how many seats he can keep the Conservatives from winning. If the Conservatives were to lose just two percentage points of voter support to a hypothetical Bernier party, he calculates, the odds of a Liberal majority would increase from 48 per cent to 65 per cent if an election were held today. Mr. Grenier writes, “Bernier doesn’t need to be more than a bit player to have a big impact on the next election.” To wreck the Conservatives’ chances, he doesn’t even need to win a single seat.

An Abacus poll taken a few days ago tells the same story in more detail. The poll is speculative, of course, but the results are suggestive. It found a surprising amount of support for a hypothetical “Bernier party,” featuring a promise to reduce immigration, end supply management, and avoid retaliatory tariffs against the United States. Thirteen per cent of those polled said they’d vote for such a party – and the support was nationwide.

For Mr. Bernier, the most fertile issue is likely to be not supply management but immigration. Canada has never had an anti-immigration party in modern times, but there’s nothing that inoculates us from anti-immigration sentiment, which may well be on the rise. In the past few years, opposition to immigration has been growing steadily, according to the Angus Reid Institute. For the first time, half (49 per cent) of those polled say that Canada’s current immigration target (310,000 people this year) is too high. Only 6 per cent say it’s too low. If this level of discontent is real – and I think it is – then our current polite debates over immigration levels, diversity, and the handling of the refugee situation are only likely to get more heated. And Mr. Bernier could make hay with that.

A populist spoiler? It’s not unknown. He could do a lot of damage – even if he’s just a popgun.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp...axime-bernier-could-play-the-role-of-spoiler/