Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban

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Oil has been shipped out of Burrard Inlet since the 50s - never a tanker spill. Alaska oil comes in through the Juan De Fuca strait to refineries on Washington state coast - never a tanker spill.
What are the odds that the Transmountain expansion would result in a tanker spill? Probably about the same as the odds of a plane crashing, getting killed in a car accident, or being hit while crossing the street - risks that people take every day.
Burrard Inlet, Beaches, and Oil Spills: A Historical Perspective – ActiveHistory.ca

you are misinformed.
 

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Those were all fuel spills. No tanker has ever spilled its crude oil or bitumen. Fuel spills can happen to any ship. Notice nobody is calling for the Port of Vancouver to be shut down because of these fuel spills. So why should the Transmountain expansion be shut down because of tanker spills that have never happened in the history of this area?
you are all over the map.

Fuel spills can happen to any ship?

So what does increased traffic mean?
 

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you are all over the map.

Fuel spills can happen to any ship?

So what does increased traffic mean?

I'm not all over the map. You can't deal with the fact that the risk of a tanker spill from an expanded Transmountain pipeline is minuscule, so you want to divert to fuel spills which have nothing to do with Transmountain.
 

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Below is a list of the major oil tanker spills since 1970 from ITOPF’s database:

2007: Hebei Spirit off South Korea - 11,000 tonnes

2002: Prestige off Spain - 63,000 tonnes

1999: Erika off France - 20,000 tonnes

1996: Sea Empress off Wales, United Kingdom - 72,000 tonnes


1991: ABT Summer off Angola - 260,000 tonnes

1989: Khark 5 off Morocco - 70,000 tonnes

Exxon Valdez, Alaska - 37,000 tonnes

1983: Castillo de Bellver off South Africa - 252,000 tonnes

1979: Atlantic Empress in the Caribbean - 287,000 tonnes

The tonnages include all oil lost, including product which burnt or remained in a sunken vessel.
 

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Below is a list of the major oil tanker spills since 1970 from ITOPF’s database:

2007: Hebei Spirit off South Korea - 11,000 tonnes

2002: Prestige off Spain - 63,000 tonnes

1999: Erika off France - 20,000 tonnes

1996: Sea Empress off Wales, United Kingdom - 72,000 tonnes


1991: ABT Summer off Angola - 260,000 tonnes

1989: Khark 5 off Morocco - 70,000 tonnes

Exxon Valdez, Alaska - 37,000 tonnes

1983: Castillo de Bellver off South Africa - 252,000 tonnes

1979: Atlantic Empress in the Caribbean - 287,000 tonnes

The tonnages include all oil lost, including product which burnt or remained in a sunken vessel.

The list of airliners that have crashed since 1970 would be longer, but people have not stopped flying.
 

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We cannot afford a single tanker spill.

We need to eliminate the tanker traffic we already have, rather than increase it.
 

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you are all over the map.

Fuel spills can happen to any ship?

So what does increased traffic mean?


Yep and any one of us can drop dead in a Hollywood minute! Is that a reason to quit living? (That doesn't sound right but you know what I mean) :)
 

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Because our response to and the damage from spills thus far indicates we will be completely unable to respond to a major event.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...ll-in-vancouvers-english-bay/article34485910/


Is it a reason to increase your risk of dropping dead?

There has been no permanent damage done by the few bunker fuel spills that happen once in awhile, and the spill response capacity has been increased and will be increased further by the time Transmountain is expanded.
There is absolutely no rational reason to shut down a pipeline that is important to the Canadian economy, and every reason to expand it.
 

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Beyond money there is no rational reason to expand the pipeline.

If there was there would be no problem.

We actually need to get the original pipeline switched over to gasoline for BC. Oil for the USA is of no benefit to us.
 

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Beyond money there is no rational reason to expand the pipeline.

If there was there would be no problem.

We actually need to get the original pipeline switched over to gasoline for BC. Oil for the USA is of no benefit to us.

You don't think money is important? Do you work for nothing? How do you get what you need? Steal it? How do you think the government delivers stuff like health care, education, and infastructure?
 

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The Fraser is so warm right now that the Sockeye are going to die before they spawn and the Residents are going to have a tough time of it.

Wanna know the real reason millions of salmon are swimming past their spawing rivers?

https://today.oregonstate.edu/archi...k-between-salmon-migration-and-magnetic-field

Study confirms link between salmon migration and magnetic field

https://phys.org/news/2005-12-movement-north-magnetic-pole.html

Movement of North Magnetic Pole is accelerating
 

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You don't think money is important? Do you work for nothing? How do you get what you need? Steal it? How do you think the government delivers stuff like health care, education, and infastructure?
BC gets almost nothing out of the Kinder Morgan.
 

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Amazon brought 3,000 tech jobs to Vancouver.

What has Kinder Morgan brought?

Cash. And not very much.
 

petros

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$17 an hour (if you cut the mustard) to work at Amazon. Less than an unskilled construction labourer earns.

After 63 years of Trans Mountain, Amazon has a lot of catching up to do.
 

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lol $17 an hour software engineers.

Amazon has brought 3,000 real jobs to BC and pose no threat whatsoever to our fishing and tourism industries which are worth billions and are in fact what BC is.

While everyone is anxious to get in on the oil profiteering BC is not getting enough out of it to justify the risks involved.

Canada gets $22 billion - Alberta gets $20 billion and BC gets $5 billion?

**** that.