Want? How many will buy?
Also interesting to see how far the Ontario demand plummets now that people have to actually pay for one themselves.
Is Canada ready for the coming electric vehicle revolution?
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Want? How many will buy?
Also interesting to see how far the Ontario demand plummets now that people have to actually pay for one themselves.
Hoid is quite right in his comment above!!!!!!!!!!!
It is a FACT that a lot of people believe in myths!!!!!!!
It is faith in myths that allowed Our idiot Boy Justin to get elected!!!!!
And it is faith misplaced and gone SOUR that ensured that Ontari-owe LIE-berals would not be forming a provincial govt any time soon!!!!
And a news report that LIE-berals closed their eyes and deliberately missed came out of California- where the value of carbon crap and trade credits DROPPED just as soon as it became obvious that Ford would become Ontari-owe premier!
As for electric cars- the price JUMPED by about 25 percent when Ford killed the LIE-beral Green Slush Fund!!!!!
I would think the trend would start with electric bikes that will be for the ones who cannot afford cars with their high prices as well as high insurance rates. Electric buses for the masses in the winter. The elite will still have their SUV's. With the huge drop in the demand for 'oil' it would be hemp that fills the gap in lost products that is now made made with petroleum, ie plastics of all sorts.
E bikes are already established on Vancouver and the Gulf Islands and really all across North America. The Voltbike in particular is establishing a great reputation. They go anywhere. They go forever. YOu can get one for $2000 which is literally nothing for a mountain bike let alone a life changing technology.
note: voltbike is also a CAnadian business success story - so that will likely be another strike against it for the white nattys
note: voltbike is also a CAnadian business success story - so that will likely be another strike against it for the white nattys
ELECTRIC BIKES?????????????????????????????????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE in southern Ontari-owe have ALREADY gone through that electric bike craze!!!!!!!!!!!
You can see lots of them rusting in apartment parking lots or even standing on balconies where they have been shoved out of the way once their owners lost interest in them!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lithium batteries DO NOT serve well in Cdn climate!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The two guys who drove an electric car across United States last year documented their suffering in the UNHEATED CAR in winter conditions!!!!!!!!!!!
The two guys simply could not get decent range out of their electric Toy car in cold weather and had to do without heat in order to maximize range!!!!
And this is exactly the sort of situation I have warned about if electric Toy cars become widely used in Canada!!!!!!!!!!!
Every time there was a major pileup on a highway- rows of electric Toy cars would end up at road side waiting for a tow to the nearest charging station as their owners careful calculations regarding range and time travelled were thrown out the window by un-expected delays!!!!!
Electric Toy cars suffer drastic loss of power and range in even moderately cold weather!!!!!!!!
And running a cabin heater and window defroster- two things Cdn drivers CANNOT DO WITHOUT in cold and snow- will further cripple electric Toy car range!!!!
And all batteries of any type do not fare well sitting outside in the cold for extended periods!!!!!
Batteries discharge over time and once the voltage level drops then batteries become vulnerable to freezing and further damage!
Conversion kits should under $500. The battery industry need a boot via Government funding. There was a headline a few years back about asphalt oil being a product that could be helpful in creating better batteries.
I have never heard of anyone exhausting a voltbike battery.
This even applies to the people who hack into the bike programming to improve its speed, which is regulated in Canada a good bit lower than in the USA.
It is something along the lines of setting a muzzle velocity above which something is a fire arm.
I guess above a certain performance level an electric bicycle would become a motor vehicle. That line is going to get very blurry.
This even applies to the people who hack into the bike programming to improve its speed, which is regulated in Canada a good bit lower than in the USA.
It is something along the lines of setting a muzzle velocity above which something is a fire arm.
I guess above a certain performance level an electric bicycle would become a motor vehicle. That line is going to get very blurry.
Did the ones who parked them take up walking of do they have a car.
They do make ceramic heater cores for vehicles so the ones doing the drive seem to be on the wrong side of the stupid line. Long distance would suggest a small power plant (diesel turbine) for supplying power to charge the batteries as well as supply heat. 150mpg
They do make ceramic heater cores for vehicles so the ones doing the drive seem to be on the wrong side of the stupid line. Long distance would suggest a small power plant (diesel turbine) for supplying power to charge the batteries as well as supply heat. 150mpg
the reality is that very few bicycle rides entail hundreds of miles of travel.
It is a very simple matter to take one battery that is low after a hard days riding and replace it with a fully charged second battery.
Battery life has proven to be not much of a factor at all in e vehicles.
That is just a myth that is perpetuated. Even in cars 95% of trips are under 25 miles.
It is a very simple matter to take one battery that is low after a hard days riding and replace it with a fully charged second battery.
Battery life has proven to be not much of a factor at all in e vehicles.
That is just a myth that is perpetuated. Even in cars 95% of trips are under 25 miles.
30kph is the limit before it changes class and then you need insurance and a driving permit. Programmable controllers are already available and while they can exceed the speed limit even the cheaper models can go faster if you tell it that it is turning a 16: wheel when it is really a 28 inch wheel.
30kph is fast enough for cities as the distances are usually quite short. 30 minute bike ride compared to 1 1/2 hours on the bus should
keep the customers coming in.
How many bikes get parked because the owners don;t know how to do basic maintenance and $70/hr at the bike shop is a bit steep.
Electric bikes in southern Ontari-owe are being abandoned for some rather OBVIOUS reasons!!!!
Such as- it rains often enough here that it can be unpleasant riding one - hence e-bike owners resorting to buses in crappy weather!!!
It also snows here in Ontari-owe from time to time and e-bikes do not fare well in snow- hence they get parked for extended periods at certain times of the year and the freezing temperatures and lack of use and infrequent charging in cold weather harm the batteries!!!!
And once the battery is toast then so is the e-bike as the replacement cost of the battery is huge- just like spare parts for any other vehicle repair! The makers have you over a barrel and make you PAY for repairs!!!!
It does not help that e-bikes cannot run with traffic on main roads as their top speed is not high enough to keep up with cars!!!!
This means that an e-bike ridden on a main road with 60kmh speed limits will be in constant danger of being driven off the road into a ditch by impatient car drivers passing the e-bike in its own lane!!!!
I know of 2 people who happily own e-bikes and both are UNEMPLOYED!!!!
One guy lives on some sort of disability and uses his e-bike with a home made trailer to travel around the neighborhood on blue box day to collect aluminum cans and whiskey bottles for the deposits.....it is strictly illegal of course to remove valuable items from a blue box as civil service union Hogs want the deposits for themselves but the bylaw is not strictly enforced!!!!
The second guy is also on some sort of disability pension and uses his e-bike to get to the beer store and to visit his drinking buddies more quickly. the guy buys all his beer in cans so they dont break when he wipes out........and apparently cops do not bother checking the sobriety levels of e-bike riders so the guy has that advantage!!!!!
So - for reasons that a LIE-beral will never really understand- but which will be entirely obvious to ordinary Cdns- there is absolutely NO REASON to use govt tax money to subsidize the sale of LIE-beral electric TOY vehicles of any sort!!!!!!!!!
The text format in your posts make you look even stupider than Trump. I thought you should know that.
BTW do you know what a 'bike lane' and a 'bike path' are??
BTW do you know what a 'bike lane' and a 'bike path' are??
Very few posters on this forum will be alive to see any electric vehicle REVOLUTION! (Some words just generate hysteria)
Hey. A Tesla beat a 20 year old Firebird Trans Am in a drag race and it was "news".
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-vs-pontiac-firebird-trans-am-drag-race/
Call me when they beat 2018 trucks.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-vs-pontiac-firebird-trans-am-drag-race/
Call me when they beat 2018 trucks.
Here is a reminder of what is wrong with LIE-beral policy on their electric Toy vehicles:
Here is an article I spotted on the MSN.ca home page and it illustrates what is wrong with LIE-beral policy related to electric cars. With some comments of my own in brackets):
Motor Mouth: The inconvenient truth about EVs in cold weather
Tesla’s Model 3 passengers need a “blankie” to complete its record-breaking cross-country Cannonball Run
By David Booth | January 26, 2018
So, a Tesla drove across the United States. That such a feat is no longer big news is testament to how far EVs have come and an indication electric vehicles are no longer limited to urban use.
What is newsworthy, however, is that Alex Roy, The Drive’s editor-at-large (and expert Cannonballer), along with the Model 3’s owner, Daniel Zorrilla, took but 50 hours, 16 minutes and 32 seconds to drive from Los Angeles to New York City, the quickest any car has ever travelled from U.S. coast to U.S. coast using electricity as its sole source of power.
This is not an accomplishment to be diminished. Ten years ago, such an expedition would have been measured in weeks, not hours. Even five years ago when Elon Musk began rolling out Superchargers across the land, criss-crossing the continent would have been all but unthinkable.
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Those who seek to diminish Roy and Zorrilla’s accomplishments by noting that the current Cannonball Run record is something less than 30 hours miss the point. Google calculates the 4,288 kilometre drive takes just a tad over 40 hours, which means Roy and Zorrilla spent only about 10 hours charging the Model 3 — not so long ago the time it would have taken for a single overnight charge of its (optional) 75 kilowatt-hour battery. It’s an impressive feat and proof of the progress in both EV technology and Tesla’s infrastructure development.
But does it mean — as is the subtext of virtually every story written about Roy’s trek — that EVs are ripe to supplant gasoline-fueled cars in the immediate future?
Uhm, not quite. You see, buried deep in Roy’s 4,345 word treatise on his adventure is the following little tidbit: “It’s too bad we kept the heat off for most of the drive.” Yes, in order to ensure they made it between Supercharger stations, Roy and Zorrilla drove through the worst weather much of the United States has seen in decades without the comfort of cabin heat. Indeed, both wore multiple layers of clothing, Zorrilla, according to Roy’s account, donning three layers of pants to stave off the frigid temperatures, while Roy himself had to buy a wool blanket halfway through the trip. That’s right, no heat in a US$55,000+ car that purports to play in the luxury segment.
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Now Cannonballers past have made manifold sacrifices — ingesting massive amounts of caffeine, peeing in bottles and, even more gross, unless, of course, you’re the President of the United States, eating a steady diet of McDonald’s — in their pursuit of speed, but those compromises have always been to overcome human limitations, not compensate for the failing of the automobile. That Roy spends less than 50 words discussing the lack of cabin heat— with nothing remotely resembling a technical analysis of the energy used/saved and range extended by their plight — while devoting no less than 1,670 words to the Autopilot user interface (Roy actually spends more time stressing about the Model’s 3’s steering stalk than he does on the fact that he froze his ‘nads off for 50 straight hours speaks to someone deliberately not wanting to talk about an elephant in a room.
Here’s the discussion I think he was trying to avoid.
Fleetcarma.com – a website devoted to the adoption of plug-in electric vehicles and optimizing EV fleet deployment since 2007 – recently released a sneak peak of its Truth About Electric Vehicles (EVs) in Cold Weather study based on its real world usage of a number of electric cars in cold climes.
The numbers are not pretty. According to Erik Mallia, the company’s strategic development manager, the EVs in Fleetcarma’s fleet — Nissan Leaf, Mitsubishi i-MiEV and Ford Transit Connect EV — started displaying greatly reduced range when the outside temperature dropped below about 3 degrees Celsius. By the time the mercury hit -10C, all three vehicles’ had dropped below half of their advertised/EPA-designated maximum range. In their worst performance, for instance, Nissan’s Leaf ran out of electrons in just 51 kilometres and the Transit Connect in 40. And that’s at -10, not the 20 or 25 below that has been common across eastern Canada since Christmas, Fleetcarma’s information suggesting that EV range prohibitively “drops of a cliff” somewhere around the -5C mark.
(In other words- my early post about the probable LARGE number of electric vehicles STALLED on Toronto streets when bad weather jams traffic and drivers fail to compensate for failing battery range in the cold WAS OPTIMISTIC! Even the latest models of electric cars DO WORSE than I expected! A FIFTY PERCENT DROP IN RANGE just as soon as a relatively mild Toronto winter appears? These LIE-beral electric pull toys will NOT be showing up in Sudbury or even in Muskoka any time soon! Electric cars are just a vastly costly frill for LIE-berals to play with- at OUR expense!)
1101 s mitsuimiev Motor Mouth: The inconvenient truth about EVs in cold weather
Mitsubishi i-MiEV
More interesting is that, according to Matt Stevens, CEO of Fleetcarma’s parent company and a PHD in powertrain design, while both gasoline and electric powertrains face similar degradation in performance in cold weather, the reason for the EV’s substantially worse cold weather comportment – cue images of Roy shivering in the Model 3 – is down to heating the cabin. Stevens says this is one area where the internal combustion engine’s inherent inefficiency is beneficial. “The silver lining of the very inefficient gas engine,” he adds, “is that, since it gives off a whole lot of waste heat, you effectively get cabin heat for free.”
(Oh- so this is like the LIE-beral insistence that we surrender our cheap incandescent light bulbs that also throw off heat in cold weather thus warming our houses a little and replace them with those mouldy “green” bulbs- beloved of LIE-berals and that idiot Suzuki- that don’t last near as long as advertised and which contain mercury which means that every one that is disposed of in regular trash- meaning virtually ALL of them- are contaminating the environment with mercury! Even worse the damned costly things do not throw out as much light as incandescent bulbs- meaning you are hooking up EXTRA not so green bulbs as compensation for lower light levels!)
In fact, Fleetcarma’s data seems to suggest that a Mitsubishi i-MiEV heater on full blow — such as when crossing the U.S. in a cold snap — can use between 1.5 and 4.5 kilowatts, about two to six horsepower. Typically, small cars require less than 15 horsepower to cruise at 100 kilometres an hour on a flat road: If Fleetcarma’s numbers are correct, it suggests that an EV’s heater on full blast – as Roy may have done had he not been worried about range– uses anywhere from 20 to 40 per cent as much power as propelling the automobile.
While none of this probably affects urban use, it does put a dent in the argument that EV range will soon become so prodigious that charging stations won’t be required on our highways. Even if future Tesla, Porsche and BMW EVs boast ranges of 600 kilometres and more, a Canadian — or, this year, an American — January could easily halve that. That means the inter-city infrastructure charging problem Motor Mouth’s Inconvenient Truth series has been proposing still needs to be reconciled. By not addressing this issue (yet, again, finding more than 1,600 words to address a simple interface issue) Roy did a disservice to the very cause he seeks to champion, namely that electric cars are ready for prime time.
(And as always, LIE-berals have a SELF SERVING scheme for every occasion- they have already made noises about supplying free or very cheap recharging at govt buildings! How long before electric car makers start offering fleet purchase prices to civil service unions- with LIE-beral approval- and how long before getting your EV car- bought with MASSIVE govt grants- charged for FREE at your govt job as yet another perk of office for gravy train riding Hogs? Who would not want to travel in a HEAVILY govt subsidized machine and regularly REFUEL FREE like that?)
LIE-berals are truly desperate now as ALL their policies are FAILING SO BADLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals boast of how fast their electric Toy vehicles are in a 100 yard dash but dont want to talk about range or cargo capacity!!!!
Nor do LIE-berals want to talk about their war on cars with related efforts to reduce speeds on city streets to 30kmh!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would think brakes with sonar devices in both bumpers would be the way to solve running into things you shouldn't.
Tesla might have grabbed power out of the air with a pair of 6' anteni but to do it he had to leave a 30KV Westinghouse generator running at home so I doubt his 'mileage rate' would impress anybody.
Tesla might have grabbed power out of the air with a pair of 6' anteni but to do it he had to leave a 30KV Westinghouse generator running at home so I doubt his 'mileage rate' would impress anybody.
