Split over Bexit....Chaos in UK.

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justlooking said:
More important is David Davis resigning as Brexit Secretary.


May will now have to look to the opposition for votes, meaning the UK will not really leave the EU.


They will become UKlingons.
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Of course chaos reigns. The referendum question itself was not even clear so it was doomed to chaos from the start.
 
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Any intelligent Brexiteer would have voted remain even if for no other reason that the referendum question was poorly worded. He would just have hoped for a more clearly-worded referendum later but certainly would not have voted leave without any indication of what that would mean.

Hi Walter.
 
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what a ridiculous waste of time and money

You would think there would be something worthwhile these people could be doing.
 
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How can you conduct national economic policy by referendum?

How can the Brexit be a referendum but the manner of and the replacement for Brexit not be a referendum?

It was an ill-considered bit of populism that will haunt these poor shop keepers forever.
 
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Walter said:
They’ve already voted on a clearly understood referendum.
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Stay or leave with no clear indication of which of the myriad alternatives. Did the leave option on the ballot indicate whether 'leave' meant the Norwegian, Swiss, Turkish, or Canadian model or whether it meant returning to already-established WTO rules or adopt unilateral free trade or something else? The 'leave' option was as clear as mud.

Given the confusion, it would not surprise me if the UK government decides to interpret the leave option as narrowly as possible to adopt the Norwegian model for now but then calls a new more clearly-worded referendum later to decide between the Norwegian model or unilateral free trade or some other alternative.
 
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I actually find it encouraging that there are still some real, principled nationalists is Britain who believe in real, hard borders and are not interested in some kind of apparent Brexit which leaves the UK as member in all but title of the EU.

Britain might be in a more flexible position than it gives itself credit for. Dave Davis and Boris Johnson are assuming the May compromise essentially will be a platform for the EU to gradually re-entangle the UK inextricably into the EU 'Customs Union', borderless community and Court of Justice with its principles of free movement of people, goods, services & relativistic legal dictates.

But it should have escaped no ones notice that the EU is not a monolith. Its is fracturing internally from its margins inwards under intense national, religious and moral tensions. The UK might be left as a sovereign nation again in the ruins of a disintegration of the EU regardless of the Brexit agreement.
 
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Curious Cdn said:
Yeah, one side is rich, the other side is poor. There are lots of Brits who believe that Europe will suddenly become poor when they leave.
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And between the two Koreas, which has the more open borders?

From what I've read, pretty much every British economist agrees that Brexit will cause short-to-medium-term pain no matter what (unles they adopt the Norwegian model which would be a light version of Brexit) and that the only way for the UK to counter the long-term damage of a hard Brexit would be through unilateral free trade. The only real difference between the economists is whether staying in the EU or unilateral free trade would benefit the UK more in the long term, so there's a bit of a draw between those two options. No serious UK economist as far as I know is proposing anything other than either staying in the EU or adopting unilateral free trade.

Even if we assume that the long-term benefits of unilateral free trade outweigh those of remaining in the EU (and the jury is still out on that one), we still have to question whether those gains would outweigh the short-to-medium-term pain of leaving enough to make it worthwhile.

Probably the preferred option for the UK would be to remain in the EU and to just keep pushing for the EU as a whole to adopt unilateral free trade or at least allow individual member-states to do so from within the EU.
 
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The only thing keeping Britain afloat is the financial sector in downtown London. The rest of the country is Kaput. What does Britain manufacture other than military equipment? There is no oil left in the North Sea. How can the manufacturing sector succeed if all the energy required is imported? The only reason Thatcher looked good was because the North Sea oil came on stream. Japan has the same problem as Britain when it comes to energy. Plus; Fukushima is still steaming away since 2011 with no end in sight which is contaminating the complete island.

If Britain leaves the EU, the financial sector will collapse.
 
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