Now confirmed that Trump is putting innocent children in cages

[Ocean Breeze]

The reps that voted against wanted stronger border security

One hears the USG throw that phrases round asi f it has some real meaning. Where are the SPECIFICS of how it can be achieved while still being a REASONABLE crossing zone. Some detailed proposals that make sense would be nice .

 

[Twin_Moose]

Democratic vote in republican majority congress should make no difference at all..

It would have made all the difference on these 2 votes it would have countered hardliners

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Not a fan of catch and release no matter who's policy it was there or here the non show percentages have been reported a lot higher up to 30% here. What of the reports of the monitoring devices being discarded, shouldn't there be some detention of non verified persons crossing illegally? Penalizing users of illegal workers I agree with you


Now what is up with the attitude you are showing towards me? I never belittled you in any post I wrote I have agreed and disagreed with you regularly.

I won't apologize yet, because I despise "I'm sorry if I offended you."

What I will do is think on this, decide if I agree that I offended you, and if I did, render you a full and fair apology.

As I have pointed out, my source is the Director of Obama's ICE. Would you like a reference? What is wrong with "catch and release" if 96% of the people turn up for their hearings? If nothing else, it saves a ton of money.

What of reports of people illegally removing their monitoring devices? They are promulgated by political wack-jobs with an ax to grind. I am through wasting my time listening to such. As I said, Obama's ICE Director said, on record, that 96% of people tagged with monitors showed up for their hearings. As I see it, you now have four choices:

1. Call me a liar.

2. Call Obama's ICE Director a liar.

3. Claim that 96% is not good enough.

4. Retreat into a corner, shut off your brain, and start yelling.

I'm glad you agree on punishing the people who encourage the illegals to come. Of course, they are overwhelmingly white and wealthy, and such folk don't get jailed much.

And the whole bloody thing's a sideshow anyhow. People are quibbling about maybe 5-10% of the illegals anyhow.

What you really need to understand is the overwhelming majority of illegal entrants don't get caught at the border.

 

[Twin_Moose]

One hears the USG throw that phrases round asi f it has some real meaning. Where are the SPECIFICS of how it can be achieved while still being a REASONABLE crossing zone. Some detailed proposals that make sense would be nice .

Correct me if I'm wrong TB but hardliners want no due process on illegals, turned back immediately at the border and only accepted through legal ports of entry

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Correct me if I'm wrong TB but hardliners want no due process on illegals, turned back immediately at the border and only accepted through legal ports of entry

That notion has been floated by the President.

My opinion as an attorney is that would violate that Fifth Amendment, which says that "no person*. . . shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. . ."

* That's correct. It says "person," not "citizen."

 

[Ocean Breeze]

you should understand that I am a conservative, in the traditional sense, not the current MAGAhat sense. So do not expect me to agree with you all the time.

What ever stripe you identify yourself with is just fine. Makes no never mind to me. What IS important is the discussion........ and thank goodness you don't agree with everything.........as that would not be all that enlightening/ informative. I treasure the points that are valid, based on reason....... whether I agree with them or not. It is a learning thing ;-) The conservative vein provides a balance to anything too liberal. It is the BALANCE that matters. IMHO

This is why I come here......to learn about others views and discuss the vents of the day. being a bit of anews junkie..... I like to be current in most matters. ...especially world affairs. Being retired.(Medical field )... I have the time.;-)

 

[Hoid]

It would have made all the difference on these 2 votes it would have countered hardliners

so now its up to dems to pass gop bills.

what a load of bullshit.

get a ****ing plan that makes sense and maybe someone will vote for it.

 

[Twin_Moose]

I won't apologize yet, because I despise "I'm sorry if I offended you."

What I will do is think on this, decide if I agree that I offended you, and if I did, render you a full and fair apology.

As I have pointed out, my source is the Director of Obama's ICE. Would you like a reference? What is wrong with "catch and release" if 96% of the people turn up for their hearings? If nothing else, it saves a ton of money.

What of reports of people illegally removing their monitoring devices? They are promulgated by political wack-jobs with an ax to grind. I am through wasting my time listening to such. As I said, Obama's ICE Director said, on record, that 96% of people tagged with monitors showed up for their hearings. As I see it, you now have four choices:

1. Call me a liar.

2. Call Obama's ICE Director a liar.

3. Claim that 96% is not good enough.

4. Retreat into a corner, shut off your brain, and start yelling.

I'm glad you agree on punishing the people who encourage the illegals to come. Of course, they are overwhelmingly white and wealthy, and such folk don't get jailed much.

And the whole bloody thing's a sideshow anyhow. People are quibbling about maybe 5-10% of the illegals anyhow.

What you really need to understand is the overwhelming majority of illegal entrants don't get caught at the border.

Oh I'm not looking for an apology just wondering what your problem was with me

So reports like this are false

ICE: Many Immigrants Skip Court Hearings

About 33 percent of immigrants released by U.S. Customs and Border Enforcement (ICE) does not show up for their immigration hearings, according to immigration court officials. Border Patrol union representative Gabe Pacheco cites a Washington Examiner report that puts that number as high as 90 percent for juveniles.

If the 96% is correct that is pretty good and there should be no outcry about the program, but there is why?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Oh I'm not looking for an apology just wondering what your problem was with me

Nonetheless, you shall have it if warranted.

So reports like this are false

ICE: Many Immigrants Skip Court Hearings

Interestingly, the report you cite (which I had not read before this) notes that other people claim other numbers.

If the 96% is correct that is pretty good and there should be no outcry about the program, but there is why?

The outcry is because, as I implied earlier, this is not about immigration, it is about politics. And is therefore about as honest as politics usually is.

Sadly, we now have a government that refuses to release facts. This is, of course, a tactic of a fascist government.

Not that I'm claiming that Democratic administrations are any better, mind.

I fought for my country for twelve years. I spent four of those years on the Berlin Wall, seeing first-hand the thugocracy that ruled East Germany. Imagine my horror at seeing my country slipping into the same mode and methods.

When people say, as has become the custom in the U.S., "Thank you for your service," I've taken to answering "You aren't worth it."

 

[Twin_Moose]

I found a couple more for you to verify if you have the time

What You Need to Know About Catch and Release

Since fiscal year (FY) 2016, more than 107,000 UACs have been released into the interior of the United States. 2,895 UACs were released into the U.S. in February 2018 alone, bringing the total for FY 2018 thus far to 13,186. Once released, most UACs remain here by failing to either show up for court hearings or comply with removal orders. As a result, only 3.5 percent of UACs who are apprehended are eventually removed from the U.S. The surge of UACs entering and remaining in the U.S. is in addition to the more than 167,000 Family Units which were apprehended between FY 2016 and February 2018. Nearly all apprehended family units are also released into the U.S. due to judicially-imposed constraints on U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s authority to detain them.

Majority of undocumented immigrants show up for court, data shows

Court attendance by all types of immigrants
According to Justice Department data from the last five available years, around 60 to 75 percent of non-detained migrants have attended their immigration court proceedings. That’s determined by subtracting the percentage of judgments entered against migrants in their absence (known as an in absentia ruling) from total judgments entered.

DHS Report: 84% of Illegal Alien Adults Not In Court For Final Case Hearing

(CNSNews.com) – A recent report from the Department of Justice shows that of the nearly 12,500 illegal alien adults who were apprehended with children at the U.S. border and released between July 18, 2014, and May 26, 2015, whose immigration cases have been completed, at least 84 percent did not appear in court for the final decision.

So I think you can understand the concerns on "catch and release"

 

[Ocean Breeze]

When people say, as has become the custom in the U.S., "Thank you for your service," I've taken to answering "You aren't worth it."

You are right, you know. They (perhaps not all) don't deserve it. and aren't worthy of it.

My impression is that they have taken so much for granted that they are prepared to surrender some of the democratic principles that the country was founded on. They are not responsible and appreciative citizens that should treasure what they have........not just brag about it ........which makes them look childish.
( I have first hand knowledge due to family scattered through the US )

It is astounding to see Nazi sympathizers and other fanatics rise within a country that was build on the most positive of reasonable humanitarian principles. Freedoms can be abused.. and some just can't handle them. Maybe they just need the heavy handed structure that fascism offers.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I found a couple more for you to verify if you have the time

What You Need to Know About Catch and Release



Majority of undocumented immigrants show up for court, data shows


DHS Report: 84% of Illegal Alien Adults Not In Court For Final Case Hearing


So I think you can understand the concerns on "catch and release"

So, we have established that somewhere between 16% and 96% of tagged illegals show up for their hearings.

Glad we found common ground, even if that common ground is a leaky raft in the middle of an Atlantic gale.

And yes, I do apologize. My fault was taking out my frustration with irrational screamers on you, who are not an irrational screamer. I will treat you with the respect that you, sir, have earned in the future.

Or, as the young'uns say, "My bad, dude."

I believe that my solution would solve enough of the illegal alien problem that it would become a non-issue.

Problem is nobody's listening. They're too busy playing both sides for votes. Bloody whores.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Nonetheless, you shall have it if warranted.


Interestingly, the report you cite (which I had not read before this) notes that other people claim other numbers.





The outcry is because, as I implied earlier, this is not about immigration, it is about politics. And is therefore about as honest as politics usually is.

Sadly, we now have a government that refuses to release facts. This is, of course, a tactic of a fascist government.

Not that I'm claiming that Democratic administrations are any better, mind.

I fought for my country for twelve years. I spent four of those years on the Berlin Wall, seeing first-hand the thugocracy that ruled East Germany. Imagine my horror at seeing my country slipping into the same mode and methods.

When people say, as has become the custom in the U.S., "Thank you for your service," I've taken to answering "You aren't worth it."

If you think I'm in favour of family separation long term think again, but you have a real problem down there and we are starting to feel it up here. short term separation to verify relationship and truth of claim I can't see a problem and considering what they endured to get there it is a small sacrifice for generations of security.

Now I have no idea what you experienced with the military, I have never been, so I respect you in this regard

So, we have established that somewhere between 16% and 96% of tagged illegals show up for their hearings.

Glad we found common ground, even if that common ground is a leaky raft in the middle of an Atlantic gale.

And yes, I do apologize. My fault was taking out my frustration with irrational screamers on you, who are not an irrational screamer. I will treat you with the respect that you, sir, have earned in the future.

Or, as the young'uns say, "My bad, dude."

I believe that my solution would solve enough of the illegal alien problem that it would become a non-issue.

Problem is nobody's listening. They're too busy playing both sides for votes. Bloody whores.

Thank you, and appreciate it, I agree with your last line as well, Melania's jacket says it all IMO

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Thank you, and I agree with your last line as well, Melania's jacket says it all IMO

I hope we someday have a chance to exchange yarns over your choice of coffee or beer.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Me too

 

[Bar Sinister]

So you are completely denying that it is happening in Canada under Trudeau? and to your last comment why didn't any Dems vote in favour of the bill to stop family separation and fix the immigration law? they must hate the children

Here's the thing, what Trudeau is doing is irrelevant. This thread is about Trump. And if every Democrat voted against fixing immigration laws it wouldn't matter. The Republicans have a majority in both the House and the Senate. Try putting the blame where it actually belongs.

 

[JLM]

Only when the current situation is resolved. When the current seaprated kids are back w tith their parents.

Would you advocate doing that in ALL cases regardless of what the parents' background is?

 

[Danbones]

After we saw what is on wiener's laptop in the IG REPORT, it is blatantly obvious these child molesting effe tards will never talk sense...

what's the point in even trying to communicate with these genocidal braindead globalist nazi communist PEDOPHILE trumphating dipsticks?

Oh hi Bar...didn't see you lurking there...with MF and all your friends...

Oooops!...co conspirators I mean.

 

[Walter]

On illegals' kids issue, where were the protests and wall-to-wall coverage when Obama did the same thing?
https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...n_obama_did_the_same_thing.html#ixzz5K0XR9GgT

 

[Twin_Moose]

Here's the thing, what Trudeau is doing is irrelevant. This thread is about Trump. And if every Democrat voted against fixing immigration laws it wouldn't matter. The Republicans have a majority in both the House and the Senate. Try putting the blame where it actually belongs.

It's fully hypocritical to put blinders on what our country is doing to be critical of another