Trump tariff tirade has MPs united across party lines, urging calm

JLM

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Based on basic rules of economics. Tariffs decrease economic efficiency. That might be good for undesirable industries like tobacco and alcohol, I suppose, but not healthy food.



Am I a Trump hater going absolutely crazy? I actually agree with at least some of his ideas.

Smart people do! I don't think the Trump detractors (haters) realize how ignorant they make themselves look!
 

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Smart people do! I don't think the Trump detractors (haters) realize how ignorant they make themselves look!

To be clear, I judge actions, not people. I think many of Trump's actions have been quite foolish, but I'll acknowledge actions of his with which I agree too.
 

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To be clear, I judge actions, not people. I think many of Trump's actions have been quite foolish, but I'll acknowledge actions of his with which I agree too.

Yep, like saying stuff that doesn't have to be said and vocalizing everything that crosses his mind. But a person can use his weaknesses to get along with him.
 

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Outraged over Trump’s attack on Trudeau, Canadians call for a U.S. consumer boycott
https://globalnews.ca/news/4269972/trump-attack-trudeau-canadians-outraged-us-boycott/amp/

I question the effectiveness of a boycott. If Canadians boycott US products in favour of Canadian products whenever possible, this will increase the value of the CAD relative to the USD which in turn will just make US products more and Canadian ones less attractive to all consumers. The market will just adjust to that.

Yep, like saying stuff that doesn't have to be said and vocalizing everything that crosses his mind. But a person can use his weaknesses to get along with him.

Trump's foolishness goes beyond words. I agree with him that we should open Canada up to more trade. But his way of going about it and launching a trade war just puts pressure on Canadian politicians to dig in their heels and so make it less likely.
 

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I question the effectiveness of a boycott. If Canadians boycott US products in favour of Canadian products whenever possible, this will increase the value of the CAD relative to the USD which in turn will just make US products more and Canadian ones less attractive to all consumers. The market will just adjust to that.



Trump's foolishness goes beyond words. I agree with him that we should open Canada up to more trade. But his way of going about it and launching a trade war just puts pressure on Canadian politicians to dig in their heels and so make it less likely.

I think we may see a method to his madness, any day now!
 

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What do you know about 'open and friendly'? You're closed minded and grumpy all of the time.
 

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Are you expecting the 10th Mountain Division to cross the border soon?

Sadly during the Harper years Canada gave American military the right to cross our borders as they saw fit.

A remarkable treaty even for white nationalist climate change deniers
 

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Trump sends letter to Trudeau calling for increase in NATO defence spending

As Prime Minister Justin Trudeau prepares to attend the upcoming NATO summit in Brussels, U.S. President Donald Trump is calling on Canada to meet the alliance's defence spending targets. In the June 19 letter, Trump says there is "growing frustration" in the United States with North Atlantic Treaty Organization allies like Canada that have not increased defence spending as promised.
"This frustration is not confined to our executive branch. The United States Congress has taken note and is concerned as well," reads the letter, first reported by iPolitics. The Canadian Press has confirmed the authenticity of the letter.
"The United States is increasingly unwilling to ignore this Alliance's failure to meet shared security challenges," Trump writes.
The letter comes as tensions between Canada and the United States have risen to a dramatic high, with NAFTA talks all but stalled and a dispute over steel and aluminum tariffs imposed by the United States that has led Canada and other countries to counter with a long list of retaliatory tariffs.
Trump also had harsh words for Trudeau following the G7 meetings in Quebec earlier this month, calling the prime minister "dishonest and weak" after backing out of the final joint communique issued by leaders.
The Liberals promised last year to increase spending on the military by 70 per cent over the next 10 years. But even with this increase, Canada will fall short of NATO's target of spending two per cent of GDP on defence.
Looking ahead to the coming NATO meeting next month, Trump says in his letter to Trudeau he appreciates Canada's defence contributions around the world, including in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, and on United Nations peacekeeping missions.
But these contributions "do not excuse any of us from our commitments to ensure NATO has the resources it needs," he writes.
Defence is 'rigorously costed'
"As one of our most capable allies and a leader in worldwide security, Canada's continued defence spending of less than two per cent undermines the security of the alliance and provides validation for other allies that also are not meeting their defence spending commitments," the letter says.
"At the summit, we must ensure alliance credibility by living up to our agreed commitments. I expect to see a strong recommitment by Canada to meet the goals to which we have all agreed in the defence investment pledge."
Renee Filiatrault, a spokeswoman for Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan, said Friday the Liberal government's planned spending increase has been "rigorously costed, is fully funded, and serves Canada's defence needs. It also upholds our long-standing role as an active contributor to global peace and security."
"Canada is proud to have contributed to every NATO operation since the founding of the alliance more than six decades ago. Canada's participation in NATO operations around the world is a tangible signal of our commitment to the trans-Atlantic alliance."

So not only clawing back from Harper's 1.3% and siphoning off the defense for immigration spending Billions on anything and nothing, to stand there and say we are pulling our fair share is almost laughable. Promising 70% more spending in the next 10 years (still 40% under agreement) to kick in after the next election should be an embarrassment
 

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Trump sends letter to Trudeau calling for increase in NATO defence spending

As Prime Minister Justin Trudeau prepares to attend the upcoming NATO summit in Brussels, U.S. President Donald Trump is calling on Canada to meet the alliance's defence spending targets. In the June 19 letter, Trump says there is "growing frustration" in the United States with North Atlantic Treaty Organization allies like Canada that have not increased defence spending as promised.


Don't hold your breath T.M. Our boy has his plate full paying for the influx of 100,000 or so refugees!
 

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Here's an idea: lets stop buying military hardware from American companies.
 

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it seems somewhat disingenuous to ask Canada to increase spending on NATO when America is the one making and selling all the shit they want us to buy.

for instance new generation fighters

they want us to buy billions and billions of dollars worth of these ridiculous anachronisms.

they even set up branch plant manufacturing in Canada in order to sweeten the deal with jobs in their industries in exchange for destroying all our own manufacturing

sweet deal
 

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So it is evil to ask nations to uphold their agreements?


Of course it will benefit the States they do produce the best military equipment in the world and already plugged into Canada.
 

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it seems somewhat disingenuous to ask Canada to increase spending on NATO when America is the one making and selling all the shit they want us to buy.

for instance new generation fighters

they want us to buy billions and billions of dollars worth of these ridiculous anachronisms.

they even set up branch plant manufacturing in Canada in order to sweeten the deal with jobs in their industries in exchange for destroying all our own manufacturing

sweet deal

You silly fool. Canada is a major arms exporter.