Us imposes steel/aluminum tariffs

AncientMuse

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Brian. You're losing it. Snap out of it and learn what is really going on.

Both Canada and the US have the same steel and aluminium tarrifs on the same sources. If it is still entering the US through Canada (funneling) who failed? Canada or the US? Should Trump have sat by and let it through?

My names not Brian, I'm assuming that's some kind of inside joke that I'm not aware of, so I'll ignore it.

Do you know that Canada has also had a problem with unwanted chinese steel finding its way into our supply chain ?

Or do you think the US is the only victim of chinese underhandedness ?
 

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That is exactly how the NAZIs saw themselves and your Glorious Revolution would have started 80 years earlier, had all of those misguided liberal progressives not seen fit to stop the. Glad to see it all one back, are you?


Actually just the opposite.

The Nazis were the ultimate anti-nationalists. They were tribalists. And the tribal mentality inevitably leads conquest, subjugation, slavery.. ie, to Empire born of exclusive blood and rampant conflict. It is nationalism that promotes inclusive domestic integrity, mutually shared prosperity, stable borders.

So it is true Conservatism.. which is nationalist, populist, dirigiste and progressive in economic terms.. and faith and family based in social terms.. that fought the Nazis and won. The true liberal ethos would be hopeless against them.

You should not confuse the America that took part in the global coalition against fascism with that of the America of post WW2, which was increasingly imperial and exploitive in character. And ultimately was instrumental in imposing the Global Free Market System.. which it thought it could control and profit from (or at least its elite could).. but ended up turning on its originators with avengence.
 

AncientMuse

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Click the link above.

I'm aware of all the dumping going on.

Is the US the only victim in all this ? Thereby justifying Trump's Blame Canada game ?


Donald Trump used the "national security threat" card to get his tariffs through because that's the only card he had to play without having to go through congress. And the only way he could claim a national security threat against Canada (hardy har har) is by way of trying to make it look like Canada is purposefully and underhandedly selling chinese steel instead of canadian steel.

Which we all know is an outright lie. That complaint has been taken to the WTO, and the truth will all come out in the wash when the ruling comes out.

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That still has absolutely nothing to do with a "trade deficit".

Funneling, dumping, or whatever the hell else you want to call it does not cause a trade deficit. A trade deficit is nothing more than purchasing more goods than you're selling.

I'd love to hear your explanation on how funnelled chinese steel causes the US to have a trade deficit with Canada.

I'm all ears Margaret (since we're making up pet names for each other).
 

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My names not Brian, I'm assuming that's some kind of inside joke that I'm not aware of, so I'll ignore it.

Do you know that Canada has also had a problem with unwanted chinese steel finding its way into our supply chain ?

Or do you think the US is the only victim of chinese underhandedness ?

Do you think the U.S. care that it is happening to Canada they just want it to stop to the States.

If it wasn't really a problem why did Ottawa impose a bigger Tariff and stricter restrictions on Chinese metal after the first threat from Trump?
 

AncientMuse

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Do you think the U.S. care that it is happening to Canada they just want it to stop to the States.

If it wasn't really a problem why did Ottawa impose a bigger Tariff and stricter restrictions on Chinese metal after the first threat from Trump?

We'll all find out what the truth is about all that when the WTO makes their ruling.

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In the meantime, I'll patiently wait while somebody explains to me how chinese steel causes a US trade deficit with Canada.
 

petros

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I'm aware of all the dumping going on.

Is the US the only victim in all this ? Thereby justifying Trump's Blame Canada game ?


Donald Trump used the "national security threat" card to get his tariffs through because that's the only card he had to play without having to go through congress. And the only way he could claim a national security threat against Canada (hardy har har) is by way of trying to make it look like Canada is purposefully and underhandedly selling chinese steel instead of canadian steel.

Which we all know is an outright lie. That complaint has been taken to the WTO, and the truth will all come out in the wash when the ruling comes out.

But....

That still has absolutely nothing to do with a "trade deficit".

Funneling, dumping, or whatever the hell else you want to call it does not cause a trade deficit. A trade deficit is nothing more than purchasing more goods than you're selling.

I'd love to hear your explanation on how funnelled chinese steel causes the US to have a trade deficit with Canada.

I'm all ears Margaret (since we're making up pet names for each other).

Ever think Trudeau is blowing smoke to hide CBSA's failures.

What kind of "buddy" let's his "buddy" get ripped off?

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In the meantime, I'll patiently wait while somebody explains to me how chinese steel causes a US trade deficit with Canada.

It'll...all be okay...Brian
 

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We'll all find out what the truth is about all that when the WTO makes their ruling.

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In the meantime, I'll patiently wait while somebody explains to me how chinese steel causes a US trade deficit with Canada.

Thinking I missed something I read back to where this trade deficit came from and low and behold you injected it into the conversation, for what reason? I don't know, perhaps to get to this point to have a got you moment, have at 'er. Canada technically had the deficit with the States, but within reason so basically even. Now if you think Canadian brokers buying and selling Chinese metals aren't a contributing # to the trade agreement same as any other product shipped across the border everyday, think again. We all know this Tariff is only meant to get all parties to the table for an agreement, China holding the largest trade deficit with the States it only make sense to try and plug the holes that allows it in to the States at a reduced rate...... Mmmkay

Trudeau calls tariffs ‘insulting’ while Trump aide labels it as ‘family quarrel’

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has taken exception to the fact that the U.S. has imposed tariffs for “national security” reasons.
Speaking on NBC’s Meet the Press, Trudeau called the tariffs “insulting.”:
U.S. tariffs mean NAFTA talks have ‘fallen through the floor:’ senior Canadian official
Last week, U.S. President Donald Trump's administration announced that there would be a 25 per cent tariff on steel imports and a 10 per cent tariff on aluminum imports, including products from Canada.
Canada responded by imposing $16 billion worth of tariffs on the U.S.
“One of things I have to admit I’m having a lot trouble getting around is that this whole thing has come about because the president and the administration has decided that Canada – Canadian steel and aluminum – is a national security threat to the United States,” Trudeau told NBC’s Chuck Todd.

“First of all the idea that our soldiers who fought and died together on the beaches of World War II, in the mountains of Afghanistan, and have stood shoulder-to-shoulder in some of the most difficult places in the world… this is insulting to them.”
At the same time, a Trump aide said Trudeau was “overreacting.”
White House economic advisor Larry Kudlow said the tariffs on steel and aluminum “may go on for a while,” or not.
"I don't think our tariffs are anything to do with our friendship and our longstanding alliance with Canada," Kudlow said on “Fox News Sunday.”
Kudlow noted that after the White House announcement of the tariffs, the United States still would welcome good-faith negotiations.
"And that's why I regard this as more of a family quarrel. This is a trade dispute, if you will. It can be solved if people work together," Kudlow said.
Kudlow added, "To say that it is an attack on Canada is not right." Trudeau says Canada is an ‘even-tempered’ moose to America’s elephant
NBC’s Chuck Todd asked Trudeau about a quote from his father, Pierre Elliot Trudeau, in which Pierre called America an elephant.
“Living next to you (the U.S.) is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered the beast, one is affected by every twitch and grunt,” Pierre Elliot Trudeau said in 1969. “I’ve taken a different take on that than my father,” Trudeau told Todd Sunday.
“I think we’re more of a moose… You still massively outweigh us, a moose is even-tempered and strong.
“We’re aware that we have to work collectively and collaboratively with the United States, and that has been my point with the president since the very beginning.”
Trudeau says Canada has a “vested interest” in seeing the U.S. economy do well, because it’s so interconnected with our own.
The tariffs are also imposed on other allies like Mexico and the European Union, both of which have also hit back with retaliatory tariffs.
 

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U.S. tariffs mean NAFTA talks have ‘fallen through the floor:’ senior Canadian official
Last week, U.S. President Donald Trump's administration announced that there would be a 25 per cent tariff on steel imports and a 10 per cent tariff on aluminum imports, including products from Canada.
Canada failed on its NAFTA requirements and the 10% is probably cheaper than WTO fines and any liabilities caused by the products.
 

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And it's amazing how many people (including the clown in the oval office) actually think those types of imbecile tactics work when dealing with entire countries.

Playing petulant childish games does not work on the world stage when you're dealing with a bunch of well educated adults and world leaders. World leaders who did not get their diplomas from Trump university, I might add.

Trump and his merry band of Trumpettes are (so far) too stupid to have figured that out yet.

Let's face it: Trump wouldn't know how to pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel, ffs.

Well, fear not.... because he's about to get an education on the world stage that's going to make his over-inflated head explode.




So long as the price of beer doesn't go up here in Canada, it's all good.

The price of beer skyrocketing in Canada because of Trump's childish temper tantrums just might cause the entire country to buy a pack of matches and a gallon of gas and pay another visit to the Whitehouse (circa 1812 style).

LOL


In the meantime, I'm perfectly okay with squirting French's Ketchup on my fries instead of Heinz Ketchup... I may even discover that I actually like French's better !
No Heinz for me either. Buying ANYWHERE BUT AMERICAN......

The buffoon is so charmed by dictators like Kim, Putin..........while offending, and hurting what used to be USA allies and friends. He demands loyalty like KIM does.......but has no loyalty to anyone .HIS LOYALTY is to MONEY and POWER and HIMSELF

His narcissism goes beyond any level of pathology seen in clinical cases The dumbing down of america is almost complete under this feudal mentality they put in place. In his "mind" he is ruler of the world......not just theUS......and believes he can do whatever he wants to make his country even more aggressive, dominant and powerful. He is aiming to MAGA at the expense of others........He is a megalomaniac and reason, is not part of the equation. He appeals to the under educated and extremists.
 
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how stupid do you have to be to blame Chinese dumping on Canada?
 

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how stupid do you have to be to blame Chinese dumping on Canada?

How stupid do you have to be to not see it ?

The president then confirmed what was suggested last night, that the US would be willing to exempt Canada and Mexico, and that there would be "no need for tariffs", if a Nafta deal is made.
TRUMP: IF NAFTA DEAL MADE, NO REASON FOR TARIFFS ON CAN, MEX
But the focus of Trump's ire was again China, which Trump said indirectly exports "much more steel" than just the 2% the US imports directs, by way of "trans-shipping":
TRUMP SAYS CHINA SENDS U.S. MUCH MORE STEEL THAN PEOPLE THINK
TRUMP: IF YOU'RE BEHIND OTHER COUNTRIES, TRADE WARS NOT SO BAD
TRUMP SAYS CHINA "TRANS-SHIPS" STEEL TO U.S. THROUGH MANY OTHER COUNTRIES

But the real target of the steel and aluminum tariffs is China.
The Chinese government has promised for years to reduce excess steel capacity, thereby cutting the surplus output that is sold to the United States at subsidized prices. Chinese policymakers have postponed doing so as a result of domestic pressure to protect China’s own steel and aluminum jobs. The US tariffs will balance those domestic pressures and increase the likelihood that China will accelerate the reduction in subsidized excess capacity.

Because the tariffs are being levied under a provision of US trade law that applies to national security, rather than dumping or import surges, it will be possible to exempt imports from military allies in NATO, as well as Japan and South Korea, focusing the tariffs on China and avoiding the risk of a broader trade war. The administration has not yet said that it will focus the tariffs in this way; but, given that they are being introduced with a phase-in period, during which trade partners may seek exemptions, such targeting seems to be the likeliest scenario.

For the US, the most important trade issue with China concerns technology transfers, not Chinese exports of subsidized steel and aluminum. Although such subsidies hurt US producers of steel and aluminum, the resulting low prices also help US firms that use steel and aluminum, as well as US consumers that buy those products. But China unambiguously hurts US interests when it steals technology developed by US firms.

Which countries supply steel to the U.S.?
In 2017, the U.S. imported over 35 million tonnes of steel. Canada supplied about 16 per cent of that steel, while Brazil supplied 13 per cent, followed by South Korea at about 10 per cent.
As Harvard University’s Lydia Cox points out, China is the biggest player in the steel market, accounting for half of the world’s steel production. With that said, the U.S. only imports roughly two per cent of its steel from China.
 

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Canada does not dump Chinese steel.

Canada sells Canadian steel(and aluminum)
 

Hoid

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Those articles don't seem to say anything about Canada dumping Chinese steel.

Plus, in what possible way could Canada dump Chinese steel and why would they do that?
 

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Those articles don't seem to say anything about Canada dumping Chinese steel.

Plus, in what possible way could Canada dump Chinese steel and why would they do that?

Why did Trudeau impose higher Tariffs and impose stricter restrictions on Chinese steel (and aluminum) after the first warning?

While Prime Minister Justin Trudeau initially said targeting tariffs at Canada “makes no sense,” the government has
taken a softer tone in recent weeks and stressed it is willing to work with the American administration to address concerns over steel and aluminum dumping by China on the North American market.
READ MORE: Canada targets dumped steel from countries like China with new measures
He announced a series of new measures aimed at tackling the problem on March 27.
Those measures included giving greater authority to the Canada Border Services Agency to conduct investigations into companies trying to dodge duties through practices like slightly modifying products or assembling them in Canada.
The agency will also get greater flexibility to calculate duties that must be paid when there is reason to believe the exporter’s domestic market distorts its prices.
Those measures were subject to a 15-day consultation period and have now been approved through several orders in council dated April 25.

I guess Hoid is the smart one and knows everything :lol:
 

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No Heinz for me either. Buying ANYWHERE BUT AMERICAN......

The buffoon is so charmed by dictators like Kim, Putin..........while offending, and hurting what used to be USA allies and friends. He demands loyalty like KIM does.......but has no loyalty to anyone .HIS LOYALTY is to MONEY and POWER and HIMSELF

His narcissism goes beyond any level of pathology seen in clinical cases The dumbing down of america is almost complete under this feudal mentality they put in place. In his "mind" he is ruler of the world......not just theUS......and believes he can do whatever he wants to make his country even more aggressive, dominant and powerful. He is aiming to MAGA at the expense of others........He is a megalomaniac and reason, is not part of the equation. He appeals to the under educated and extremists.
John Kerry’s wife’s father owns Heinz , and I am pretty sure he does not donate to Republican causes .