Moe Knows It's Tme to Fix Equalization

petros

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Time to Fix Equalization

Each year, Saskatchewan taxpayers contribute $580 million to the federal equalization program, and for the past 11 years we have received $0 in return. Meanwhile, provinces like Quebec receive over $11 billion annually.



Equalization, fully controlled by the federal government, has not had any consideration for the current challenging resource prices we have been facing for the last four years.

It’s time to change this flawed program and stand up for Saskatchewan people and our economy.

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Equalization Petition - Saskatchewan Party

Peter--

Did you know that Saskatchewan taxpayers are contributing $580 million this year to the federal equalization program, while receiving $0 in return over the last eleven years?

That's right. $0.

If that's not bad enough, while Saskatchewan is paying $580 million this year, Quebec is receiving over $11 billion.

Yep - billion, with a 'B'.

Something's not right with this picture. Something's broken
 

White_Unifier

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What would Canada look like if all we shared in common between provinces was a common citizenship and passport, and maybe currency and military force? In other words, what would a hyper-decentralized federation look like and would it be desirable?
 

White_Unifier

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Like it is now?

No. The present federal government is involved in far more than just citizenship, passports, military and police.

Given how poorly Canada has managed to break down trade barriers between provinces, why not let each province negotiate its own trade deals. For example, BC might want to negotiate an aggressive trade deal with ASEAN, Nova Scotia with the EU, and every province would have an interest in negotiating trade deals between one another and the US. Right now, they wallow in the idea that the feds will keep them in line when the feds can't do so. let them be and suddenly the prospect of the possibility of a trade war between provinces would smarten them up.

Add to that that each province could deal more effectively. If ASEAN doesn't want supply-management in BC agriculture, BC could trade it in for a better trade deal. If other provinces want to protect supply-management, that would be their choice. The same could apply to Canadian cultural content in media, etc.

Not every province supports supply-management or Canadian content laws in the media.
 

Decapoda

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Well, it would still technically be one country, albeit one comprising semi-sovereign provinces.

...And many sub-sovereign social groups, just the way Trudeau envisions his "post-national state with no core identity".

Good thing he has a big tickle trunk full of costumes, he's going to need it if he plans on playing dressup for all the "semi-sovereign" and "sub-semi-sovereign" groups. Unfortunately for Quebec...or maybe it's unfortunate for the average Canadian taxpayer, Quebec is becoming irrelevant, there are too many groups contending for the title of "most precious" these days.
 

petros

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No. The present federal government is involved in far more than just citizenship, passports, military and police.

Given how poorly Canada has managed to break down trade barriers between provinces, why not let each province negotiate its own trade deals. For example, BC might want to negotiate an aggressive trade deal with ASEAN, Nova Scotia with the EU, and every province would have an interest in negotiating trade deals between one another and the US. Right now, they wallow in the idea that the feds will keep them in line when the feds can't do so. let them be and suddenly the prospect of the possibility of a trade war between provinces would smarten them up.

Add to that that each province could deal more effectively. If ASEAN doesn't want supply-management in BC agriculture, BC could trade it in for a better trade deal. If other provinces want to protect supply-management, that would be their choice. The same could apply to Canadian cultural content in media, etc.

Not every province supports supply-management or Canadian content laws in the media.

You just don't have a clue man.
 

Decapoda

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No. The present federal government is involved in far more than just citizenship, passports, military and police.

Given how poorly Canada has managed to break down trade barriers between provinces, why not let each province negotiate its own trade deals.

Canada in the past has actually had pretty good success in bringing in positive inter-provincial trade deals. Lately, however, it's all the noisy, selfish special interest groups that can't see past their own idealism, and the superficial politicians who cater to them that's thrown a wrench into the cog. There are very few people who can see the bigger picture these days.
 

captain morgan

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Canada in the past has actually had pretty good success in bringing in positive inter-provincial trade deals. Lately, however, it's all the noisy, selfish special interest groups that can't see past their own idealism, and the superficial politicians who cater to them that's thrown a wrench into the cog. There are very few people who can see the bigger picture these days.


It's not an issue of seeing that bigger picture, more than it is having the balls to act in the best interests of the majority rather than some childish lobby groups
 

Dixie Cup

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With the current climate, can you actually see the provinces cooperating with and signing "deals" with each other? The land-locked provinces would be in a pickle if a coastal province denied the transport of goods to a harbor by any means except air and that would not be particularly cost-effective. If Manitoba had wheat to ship and they had a disagreement or alternatively, could not get an agreement with BC I suppose they could use Churchill, but at what cost? Or, Saskatchewan shipping grain.


We need to get rid of the politicians who do not see the "bigger" picture and holds the country as a whole hostage to the minority. We need politicians with the intestinal fortitude to say we need to do this for the betterment of EVERYONE. But with the upcoming "crop" of individuals who want "safe spaces" and are "offended" by every little thing and who maintain there are 70+ different sexes, I doubt we'll see anyone of any character and integrity any time soon and that doesn't bode well for this country. For sure!


JMHO
 

captain morgan

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With the current climate, can you actually see the provinces cooperating with and signing "deals" with each other? The land-locked provinces would be in a pickle if a coastal province denied the transport of goods to a harbor by any means except air and that would not be particularly cost-effective. If Manitoba had wheat to ship and they had a disagreement or alternatively, could not get an agreement with BC I suppose they could use Churchill, but at what cost? Or, Saskatchewan shipping grain.

JMHO

It's a 2-wat street Dixie.

The coastal regions also need to get their goods to market (or receive the export goods) via travel through the prairie provinces, mind you, they can divert through the USA just the same way that resources from the landlocked provinces can do the same.
 

spilledthebeer

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It's a 2-wat street Dixie.

The coastal regions also need to get their goods to market (or receive the export goods) via travel through the prairie provinces, mind you, they can divert through the USA just the same way that resources from the landlocked provinces can do the same.

Fix equalization? Fix tax reform? Fix the desperate LIE-beral party effort to get more revenue tools in play so they can BUY enouhg votes at any price to enable THEM to survive- THAT IS WHAT YOU REALLY MEAN!

And it is NOT going to happen!

LIE-beral BLATHER on the subject of debt is spinning in circles like turds in a flushed toilet! And soon all the turds will be GONE! Though it would have been nice to see Wyunne-bag taken out of Queens Park in handcuffs!

While we wait for the June election- consider this:

Here is an article illustrating what passes for clever economic insight among always greedy LIE-berals. With some comments of my own in brackets):

It's time we tackled government debt.

By Jim Warren.

Postmedia Network: First posted: Saturday, July 02, 2016 06:30 PM EDT | Updated: Saturday, July 02, 2016 06:39 PM EDT

The federal government should be dedicating specific tax revenues to reduce the debt of Canada’s provincial and municipal governments.

In addition, we should be placing restrictions on the total amount of debt provincial and municipal governments can borrow in order to force local politicians to make more realistic decisions about increasing taxes and reducing spending.

(Realistic spending decisions BY LIE-BERALS about provincial and municipal govt debt? The guy is a COMEDIAN! What about our current FEDERAL DEBT? Our idiot Boy Justin now holds the record for running the most costly and free spending govt in Cdn history! And Wynne-bag LIE-berals hold the record for most bold faced LIES about their not so balanced budgets! Why are we not talking about THAT madness? Warren has been an Ontari-owe LIE-beral strategist for many years and he wrote this article at the point where voter support for Wynne-bag hit ELEVEN PERCENT! Has Warren recognized that Wynne- for whom he supplied strategic election advice- is now dead meat and is now moving to protect his federal LIE-beral pals?)

(Warren seems now to be trying to protect Our idiot Boy Justin by drumming up sympathy for Our idiot Boy- who has to deal with all those wildly spendthrift LIE-BERALS at other levels of govt! This is standard LIE-beral socialist dogma- economic chaos follows socialist policy like seagulls after a ripe garbage truck- yet NO failure is ever assigned to socialism! LIE-berals ALWAYS blame outside forces for THEIR FAILINGS!)

(The CLASSIC example of such socialist idiocy was when Ontari-owe NDP premier Bob Rae blamed banks for not loaning him enough money and thus sabotaging the NDP plan to make us rich with borrowed money! And now we have Our idiot Boy Justin pulling an even larger and more costly and ultimately MORE DAMAGING version of the Ontari-owe NDP madness! And when Our idiot Boy is publicly exposed as a FAILURE- he will blame systemic racists, bankers, Islamophobes, and spiteful Yankees more obsessed with national security issues than with the needs of Cdn LIE-berals! Our idiot Boy is skating on VERY THIN ICE with Trump on that national security file- Yankees DO NOT want to import Muslim terrorists along with Russian and Chinese SPIES along with their Cdn dairy and lumber- hence the Yankee trade pressure on idiot Cdn LIE-berals!)
Parliamentary Budget Officer Jean-Denis Fréchette warned in a report last week that Canada’s provinces and sub-national governments are struggling with their finances and their debt levels are unsustainable.

(Fats forward to May. 2018 and the ONLY REASON Ontari-owe debt rating has NOT ALREADY been down graded is because bond rating services LIKE Doug Ford! If LIE-berals somehow beat Ford and cling to power then we WILL be hit with new borrowing penalties as a reward for being so stupid as to support LIE-berals yet again!)

The report looked at total government spending, revenue and debt levels for all levels of government, as well as the Canada Pension Plan and Quebec Pension Plan.

The PBO concluded that after the new spending and infrastructure announcements made by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, the federal government fiscal plan is sustainable.

(We HAVE HEARD that “its sustainable” song before from Sheila Block of Fraser Institute! Too bad that Warren does not offer the caveats that Fraser did! Fraser told us Ontari-owe debt was okay JUST SO LONG AS INTEREST RATES DID NOT RISE! She also warned against other economic shocks- but could not name any that might appear!)

(And here we are nearly 2 years later and interest rates ARE rising! And oil prices are SOARING in part due to the near total collapse of oil exports from socialist Venezuela- coupled with renewed economic sanctions against nuclear loving/oil selling loons in Iran! So we have the economic shocks that Block warned about but did not see coming! And Warren does not mention ANY specific area of real economic concern! The biggest job facing LIE-berals today is finding somebody else to blame for their messes at election time! Bob Rae made such a mess of Ontari-owe that he left the NDP and joined the LIE-berals! But where will Our idiot Boy emperor go once he is exposed?)

(Even more disturbing is the “age bomb” that is faling on us- as huge numbers of people retire- and grow frail and start needing medical services that LIE-berals are ALREADY RATIONING! The number of old folks on fixed incomes who have NO way of getting more cash to cover new LIE-beral revenue tools will cause chaos and economic disasters! One day soon it wont just be millennial kids crashing in the parents basement- granny will be fightiong for that spot too!)

However, it also concludes the total sub-national debt for the provinces and cities across Canada is not sustainable, and they require new revenue or spending cuts to bring their debt to sustainable levels.

(LIE-berals are dreaming in technicolour if they believe there is any more revenue to be squeezed out of Cdn pockets! And LIE-berals simply CANNOT endure spending cuts because of their frantic need to BUY civil service union Hog votes! Spending cuts equals LIE-berals committing political suicide! ALL LIE-beral policy is a FAILURE! Margaret Thatcher told us “the trouble with LIE-berals is that they always run out of other peoples money” and that is the current reality! LIE-berals cannot survive without GRAVY- and there is NO MORE to be had!)

This presents a huge political and economic problem for Canada’s provinces and cities – and therefore an even bigger problem for Canadians.

(NO! This presents a HUGE problem ONLY for LIE-berals! It also presents a HUGE OPPORTUNITY for more responsible politicians who the public is now strongly supporting in hope these others can clean up the LIE-beral MESS!)

(LIE-berals have been stuffing our kids with their propaganda for decades- but it only takes months for the kids to realize they have been LIE-beral CONNED- just let a kid spend some time comparing his OSAP debts to his living expenses and the time it will take to pay that student debt and kids see the light- that Massive LIE-beral debts and shameless vote buying ARE BAD! LIE-berals are entering into a very long term problem here- older people living on fixed incomes and struggling to access rationed health care HATE LIE-berals! But LIE-berals have FAILED to attract the support of our kids- who see all to well that they will not be benefitting from that massive LIE-beral gravy dispensing machine! For decades we ordinary Cdns got the debts and LIE-berals spun ever wilder stories to explain why they ALWAYS got the gravy and that selfish political formula has NOW DIED!)

When governments borrow money to invest in infrastructure programs like highways, bridges or transit, they build assets for the future with the costs spread out over several generations.

(To bad LIE-berals have built NOTHING in decades- except record debt!)

Our country needs this type of spending and Trudeau is working with the provinces and cities to implement the largest infrastructure program in Canadian history.

(As Toronto mayor Rob Ford has demonstrated- we must make a choice between funding the insane LIE-beral gravy train OR repairing and replacing desperately needed infrastructure- THERE IS NOT ENOUGH GRAVY FOR BOTH DEALS! We KNOW what choice GREEDY LIE-berals and SELFISH Hogs want!)

The Alberta economy especially needs this shot in the arm, as does Ontario. It means spending money to make money as infrastructure spending helps grow both the economy and tax revenues.

(Typical LIE-beral crap- Alberta is ruled by NDP- those less cunning and less intelligent cousins of LIE-berals and NDPers DO NOT NEED more money from Ottawa- NDPers are quite capable of running up their own mad debts! Even worse- the quickest way to expand the Alberta economy is to go ahead with the Kinder Moprgan and Energy East pipelines- both of which are opposed by hypocrite LIE-berals and muddled NDPers and moudly Green party airheads!)

(Our idiot Boy has told us repeatedly he wants to shut down the entire Alberta oil patch and NDPers have agreed with him! The airheads want a flourishing oil patch they can tax heavily- but they do not want us actually using the oil! The REALLY sad thing is that China wants to stop using coal for generating electricity and would be happy to BUY cleaner burning Cdn natural gas if only hypocrite LIE-berals would allow a pipeline to be built for exporting the stuff! LIE-berals could help reduce Chinese pollution but refuse because they do not like fossil fuel and HATE Albertans! It is hard to imagine how LIE-beral policy could get more muddled and confused than it currently is!)

But we need our cities and provinces to dedicate specific tax revenue to pay down these costs over time and to cover interest and debt repayment. They need specific rules to dedicate money to cover these costs and there needs to be limits to how much money can be borrowed.

(What a JOKE! LIE-beral have already dedicated ALL our cash- plus whatever they can borrow- to the desperate vote buying policy they HOPE will allow LIE-berals to cling to power at any price! And there is ample evidence that Cdn LIE-berals will one day pull the Greek stunt and repudiate the debt in hopes of negotiating lower rates and reduced pay back! Bankers are aware that LIE-berals are NOT to be trusted- and we can expect to PAY for that lack of trust if LIE-berals remain in control! And LIE-berals like Warren are simply trying to spread the blame around and slide away from responsibility!)