Nationalize oil firms, almost half of Canadians say

[captain morgan]

The problem is you have zero alternatives available, yet you have suggested that the public at large be put at risk to apply your experiment.

That said, nothing stopping you from doing all of those things you stated

 

[White_Unifier]

The problem is you have zero alternatives available, yet you have suggested that the public at large be put at risk to apply your experiment.

That said, nothing stopping you from doing all of those things you stated

Of course it's an alternative if done gradually and incrimentally. If done gradually, it would slowly deter suburban sprawl and so encourage higher urban density and maybe even farmland reclaiming some suburban sprawl, which would in turn reduce travel distances from farm to market. We don't change urban planning overnight, but we can change it over decades.

 

[gerryh]

I didn't get your point about them.

because you're stupid.

 

[White_Unifier]

because you're stupid.

I hope you were never a public-school teacher.

 

[captain morgan]

Of course it's an alternative if done gradually and incrimentally. If done gradually, it would slowly deter suburban sprawl and so encourage higher urban density and maybe even farmland reclaiming some suburban sprawl, which would in turn reduce travel distances from farm to market. We don't change urban planning overnight, but we can change it over decades.

Alternative power source(s).

You really are living in a fantasy

 

[taxslave]

Does it matter? Yours, ours, the Romans'. . .

I believe yours is elected and has some power. Ours has neither.

We need fuel so we can't just ban it or just stop it. Raising royalties strikes a healthier balance to just discourage it.

By making fuel as cheap as possible for domestic use would give us a competitive edge and then charge as much as the market will bear for export to pay for social programs.

Substitutes? How about promoting higher-density cities with more walking and cycling paths? How about promoting more telecommuting and home offices? For starters.



I didn't get your point about them.

Try doing manufacturing or construction or mining jobs from home and see how far you get.

Who says you couldn't cycle in the summer and drive in the winter? With higher urban density, public transit might be more efficient too. Again, I'm not proposing shutting the fuel industry down altogether, just raise royalties somewhat to shrink it.

That would needlessly kill thousands of good paying jobs and drive industry to other countries with smarter people at the helm.

 

[captain morgan]

By making fuel as cheap as possible for domestic use would give us a competitive edge and then charge as much as the market will bear for export to pay for social programs.

Get gvt out of making so much cash off of taxing fuel and that's a start.

Try doing manufacturing or construction or mining jobs from home and see how far you get.

maybe the thought here is to mechanize and use drone-drivers for trucks, equipment and such... These folks could do it from home sitting in their gonch and not need fuel to get to the work site.

Works for everyone, except the 10s of thousands that are out of work

 

[Danbones]

Maybe they should just stop TV ads so people wouldn't be so unhappy because they won't know of the all they can't have.

Rapid transportation is at the heart of things like world wars and world pandemics, but oddly enough not ending world starvation.

Just look at what happens to countries that nationalize their oil....the WESTERN governments install a dictator there, or invades them and destroys them...THEN just steals the oil.

 

[spilledthebeer]

Maybe they should just stop TV ads so people wouldn't be so unhappy because they won't know of the all they can't have.

Rapid transportation is at the heart of things like world wars and world pandemics, but oddly enough not ending world starvation.

Just look at what happens to countries that nationalize their oil....the WESTERN governments install a dictator there, or invades them and destroys them...THEN just steals the oil.

Oh my! Hogs be squealing NOW! Silly LIE-berals whining in circles after suddenly realizing how many Cnds will have their lives destroyed if LIE-berals simply shut off the supply of fossil fuel to ordinary Cdns- AND THEN RESERVE ALL THAT FOSSIL FUEL SO ONLY HOGS CAN USE IT!

Cdns have come to realize THAT IS THE LIE-BERAL PLAN! ONLY HOGS will have access to energy in the LIE-beral future- because it is too valuable to be wasted on peasants- that is the LIE-beral version of fairness!

The carbon crap and trade tax is designed to do TWO THINGS!

First- it prices fossil fuel beyond the reach of ordinary people.

Second- it supplies a huge new gravy stream to LIE-berals so they can buy the Hog votes they need to stay in power forever!

LIE-berals can whine about oil price gouging if they want- but their majo0r beef with oil companies is that LIE-berals want EXCLUSIVE use of oil gravy- NO SHARING!

LIE-berals can whine about events in Middle East and the politics of the region and the effect on oil prices but it is nothing but a DISTRACTION! Cdn govt has NO influence over the very select club of oil companies that produce ALL the oil! NO MAJOR OIL COMPANY even has its central office in a Cdn jurisdiction!

LIE-berals can whine if they want about what went wrong at LIE-beral created Petro Canada- and LIE-berals follow the usual path when they whine- they claim its all a one time mistake- merely an accident- the govt hired the wrong people- nobody is perfect so why blame LIE-berals for a policy THEY CLAIM was a noble failure?

LIE-berals are AMAZING CHERRY PICKERS! They can cherry pick through a pile of facts faster then a hungry Mexican migrant can gather free fruit!

For examples of LIE-beral FAILURE to apply logic or common sense to ANY of their business projects, we only have to mention their mouldy green electricity mess! The one that doubled costs- without cleaning the air!

Or we could discuss their dandy auto insurance mess- in which they "helped" us to save by CLAIMING that insurance rates did not rise as fast as they normally would have- while at the same time benefits for accident victims WERE CUT IN HALF!

This IS the price of LIE-beral aid- coupled with cherry picking facts- we pay more and get less every time!

LIE-beral business sense is so under developed they could not run a chip truck at a profit- not even if you gave them the potatoes for FREE! And Petro Canada NEVER made a profit even though they were given FREE access to oil fields that private companies had to pay for!

WE Cdns must focus on OUR govt- and its poisoned LIE-beral values that are bankrupting Canada!

 

[coldstream]

Excepting dictatorships, oligarchies and Monarchies, exactly which oil producing nations are you referring to?


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Mexico, Venezuela, Saudi Arabian, Iran, Iraq, Russia.. and on. All tired of having their status limited to colonial provider of unprocessed raw materials under the ownership of foreign corporations. It's time Canada grew up and did the same and cast off its subservience to the American dominated oil giants.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Raising royalties would encourage businesses to function more efficiently over time. It would encourage more innovation.

I think they just hit the high mark on what Gov.'s can get away with from charging they are getting a push back from both industry and consumers. Industry is starting to pull their investments in Canada, and consumers are screaming blue murder on the high fuel prices in Canada, what more do you want?

 

[petros]

When my warranty with New Holland is up, I'm going this route.

https://m.alibaba.com/product/60051...ml?s=p&spm=a2706.7843299.1998817009.13.52R8lV

And this:

https://m.alibaba.com/product/60172...s.html?spm=a2706.7843299.1998817009.24.l0L6a5

And these but bigger:

https://m.alibaba.com/product/60679...tml?s=p&spm=a2706.7843667.1998817009.4.1innne

13 cents a L equivalent.

 

[White_Unifier]

I think they just hit the high mark on what Gov.'s can get away with from charging they are getting a push back from both industry and consumers. Industry is starting to pull their investments in Canada, and consumers are screaming blue murder on the high fuel prices in Canada, what more do you want?

I would agree though that high royalties should replace carbon taxes, not complement them otherwise it becomes excessive.

 

[petros]

I would agree though that high royalties should replace carbon taxes, not complement them otherwise it becomes excessive.

Why not just raise GST on fuel?

GST goes all the way up the ladder.

GST is already an active system and no new bureaucracy.

 

[pgs]

Why not just raise GST on fuel?

GST goes all the way up the ladder.

GST is already an active system and no new bureaucracy.

And no new bureaucracy .

 

[White_Unifier]

Why not just raise GST on fuel?

GST goes all the way up the ladder.

GST is already an active system and no new bureaucracy.

We already have royalties. why not just raise already active royalties. No new bureaucracy. Personally I'd rather scrap the GST.

After the debt is paid off of course.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Royalties go to the province in which the resource is being extracted from

 

[White_Unifier]

Royalties go to the province in which the resource is being extracted from

True. We could easily solve that with transfer payments from provinces to the Federal government. That would require cooperation between governments though. Forget that.

I'd even support a revision of the constitution to make resources federal.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Feds are getting their royalties through taxation, now they are upping their share with a Carbon tax

True. We could easily solve that with transfer payments from provinces to the Federal government. That would require cooperation between governments though. Forget that.

I'd even support a revision of the constitution to make resources federal.

This is already in place, problem is Ont. Que, Nfld, and Man don't count power generation as an energy counted in the formula therefore benefit from equalization (transfer payments)

 

[petros]

We already have royalties. why not just raise already active royalties. No new bureaucracy. Personally I'd rather scrap the GST.

After the debt is paid off of course.

Royalties are a one shot deal. GST is collected on the producer, wholesaler, retailer and then consumer.