Kinder Morgan Pipeline

[pgs]

Where the Interior First Canadian's living in town's and farming or did they move around to track their food supply? Did they have a permanent residence they returned to after successfully harvesting their food supply?

I agree the Native's that lived along the coast built permanent structures and set up villages with housing, here we have evidence of an argument for land entitlement and accumulated wealth.

Permanent movable structures .

 

[Twin_Moose]

B.C. refutes PM's claim of silence on demands

OTTAWA - The British Columbia government is denying Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's claim that it has been mum on how Ottawa should reinforce environmental protections — and offering as proof a detailed list of six demands it says were provided to the federal government in February.
The list of items was provided to the federal Liberals right after B.C. warned it was considering whether to restrict the flow of diluted bitumen into the province should the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion be allowed to proceed, an official told The Canadian Press.
They include:
— Ensuring enough emergency tow vessels in response to increased tanker traffic off the B.C. coast.
— Specific plans to respond in the event of an environmental incident related to the pipeline.
— Improvements to make the pipeline itself safer.
— A compensation plan in the event of a spill causing the loss of public use of a marine environment.
— Improved research into the behaviour and cleanup of spilled diluted bitumen.
— Weaning marine coastal communities off diesel-fuelled electricity.
"Over the past year, particularly in February 2018, B.C. identified a number of gaps in existing spill prevention and response both on land and in our coastal waters," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak publicly.
"These discussions were not limited to, but included, measures related to the Oceans Protection Plan."
On Sunday, following a meeting with the premiers of B.C. and Alberta over the Trans Mountain impasse, Trudeau said he was open to making additional investments and improvements in environmental protections for B.C.'s coastlines — over and above the government's Oceans Protection Plan — to help mitigate the concerns of environmental opponents.
But since the NDP government was elected in B.C. last summer, it has "not specifically put forward proposals on how they would like to see us improve the Oceans Protection Plan," he said.
B.C. Environment Minister George Heyman wouldn't accuse Trudeau of lying outright.
"What I'm saying is we've been engaged with the federal government, there's been ongoing discussion and we've raised a number of issues," Heyman said.
"We've indicated to them the kinds of things we think would be helpful to prevent contamination of the coastline from a spill and a variety of hazardous products."
B.C. and Ottawa are on opposing sides of the Trans Mountain fight, with Trudeau's government insisting it has the necessary environmental policies in place in order to allow a pipeline expansion that Ottawa and Alberta agree is necessary to get maximum value for Canada's fossil fuels.
B.C. opposes the project, saying not enough is known about diluted bitumen. In January, the B.C. government said it would consult about the gaps in knowledge, hinting at the possibility of regulation to restrict the flow of bitumen into B.C. in the interim.
"We wanted that information so we could ensure the recommendations were put in place before there was any additional movement of crude oil," Heyman said.
The ongoing risk of delays has led pipeline builder Kinder Morgan to halt non-essential spending on the project until investors can be assured the project will be completed.

Trudeau said he has asked Finance Minister Bill Morneau to work with the company on a financial solution that would ease the risk to investors, while his government prepares legislation that would re-assert federal authority to make decisions about pipeline projects.
MPs in the House of Commons took part in an emergency debate Monday night, which was put forward by Conservative natural resources critic Shannon Stubbs.
Stubbs told the House the pipeline will provide necessary access to export markets for "landlocked, environmentally and socially responsible Canadian oil." She said it's crucial now, more than ever, and she accused the Liberals of killing Northern Gateway pipeline and Energy East, leaving Canada almost entirely dependent on the U.S.
Natural Resources Minister Jim Carr said the Trudeau government put interim guidelines in place to avoid pipeline dismissals by the previous Conservative government.
He said it was done by "increasing consultation, creating certainty for investors and avoiding the issues created by the Harper Conservatives that lead to the dismissal of pipeline approvals by the Federal Court."
"Let me be clear, we did this to ensure that pipelines weren't just approved, we did this to ensure that they would be built," Carr said.
Asked about B.C.'s rebuttal of Trudeau's claim, Alexandre Deslongchamps, a spokesman for Carr, said earlier Monday that senior federal officials travelled twice to B.C. in February to talk about the details of the federal oceans plan.
"These measures improve marine safety and responsible shipping, protect Canada's marine environment, and offer new possibilities for Indigenous and coastal communities," Deslongchamps said.
"In the course of these discussions, senior officials sought to understand British Columbia's perspectives and presented ideas for further collaboration. We welcome further discussions with British Columbia on specific proposals the provincial government may wish to provide for consideration and on ways our governments can further work together."

B.C. threatens to sue Alberta as all sides in Trans Mountain dispute dig in

British Columbia's attorney general is threatening to sue if a new law introduced in Alberta causes gasoline prices in to skyrocket.
David Eby says it's unconstitutional for one province to use energy policy to punish another province, and B.C. is prepared to take legal action against Alberta.
The Alberta government introduced legislation that would allow for the restriction of oil, gasoline and natural gas leaving that province, which could cause fuel prices in B.C. to jump.
Eby's comments come as those for and against the construction of the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion dig in, including Indigenous Peoples, business leaders, protesters and politicians.
Pipeline owner, Kinder Morgan, has suspended all non-essential spending on the $7.4 billion project, as the federal government tries to reassure the company's investors by May 31 that the project will move forward, despite opposition from the B.C. government.

B.C. Premier John Horgan, Alberta Premier Rachel Notley and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau met Sunday in Ottawa, with Trudeau saying the federal government is preparing to hold private, financial talks with Kinder Morgan to ensure the pipeline's completion.

Trudeau’s Trans Mountain summit fails to quell pipeline controversy

OTTAWA—Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s weekend summit on the fate of the Trans Mountain pipeline has failed to ease tensions over the controversial project.
One day after the emergency meeting, his government is being attacked from both sides of the political spectrum, staunch opponents in British Columbia have vowed the pipeline expansion will never be built, and Alberta has introduced new legislation that could restrict vital oil and gas exports to its western neighbour.
The frenzy of activity came after Trudeau interrupted a foreign trip to return to Ottawa to discuss the pipeline expansion with the premiers of B.C. and Alberta, NDP leaders who are at loggerheads over the project. Earlier this month, Kinder Morgan, the Texas-based company behind the $7.4-billion project, suspended “non-essential” spending and threatened to drop the pipeline altogether if opposition can’t be smoothed over by May 31.
Trudeau responded Sunday by saying Ottawa will provide some sort of financial backing for the pipeline — details of which will be sorted out in closed-door negotiations with Kinder Morgan — and that his government will pass legislation to assert federal jurisdiction over oil pipelines that cross provincial borders. Alberta Premier Rachel Notley similarly pledged to offer financial support to ensure the pipeline is built, and on Monday, her government in Edmonton introduced a new bill that will give its energy minister more powers to restrict oil and gas exports.
“The bill sends a clear message: we will use every tool at our disposal to defend Albertans (and) to defend our resources,” Notley said Monday, adding that the bill is not aimed at punishing B.C., which gets much of its energy from shipments along the existing Trans Mountain pipeline, which has been operational since 1953.
Even so, opponents of the pipeline were just as assertive in denouncing the project that would nearly triple the capacity of the existing Trans Mountain pipeline, which runs from Edmonton to the B.C. city of Burnaby, to carry bitumen from Alberta’s oilsands for export on fuel tankers from Burrard Inlet.
Burnaby Mayor Derek Corrigan said he was “embarrassed” Trudeau and Notley are “kowtowing” to Kinder Morgan’s May 31 ultimatum, and questioned the influence of the “multinational corporation” on the Canadian government.
“This is simply obedience to corporate will,” Corrigan said during a press conference with Indigenous leaders on Monday. “We’ll continue to fight this project to our last breath.”
Stewart Phillip, Grand Chief of the Union of British Columbia Indian Chiefs, accused Trudeau of breaking promises to renew the federal government’s relationship with First Nations by approving the pipeline expansion without the consent of all affected communities. He said Canada’s courts have ruled that consultation isn’t enough to approve resource projects in Indigenous territory, and predicted the Liberal government’s repeated assertions that the pipeline will be built have only fuelled opponents’ will to stop it.
“If the threats continue, (the opposition) will only become more entrenched,” he said. “The answer is still no. The Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain pipeline will never be built.”
Speaking in the House of Commons, Natural Resources Minister Jim Carr defended the pipeline, and said the government engaged in “unprecedented consultation” before approving the project in December 2016. He said 44 communities signed benefit agreements with Kinder Morgan on the project, including 33 in B.C.
“We know that projects like this don’t achieve consensus everywhere. We do know that they’re in the national interest,” Carr said.
Phillip countered that there are still communities along the pipeline route that don’t support the project, including the Tseil-Waututh on Burrard Inlet, and the nearby Squamish Nation, which would see increased oil tanker traffic off the coast of its territory.
“No one expect our own nation can give consent for our territory,” said Khelsilem, a Squamish council member, during Monday’s press conference.
Meanwhile, opposition parties peppered the Liberals with questions about the pipeline during Question Period. Conservatives repeatedly asked “when will the pipeline” get built, after party leader Andrew Scheer accused Trudeau of failing to act quick enough to reassure Kinder Morgan that opposition wouldn’t stop the pipeline, and said the Liberal government’s revamp of the environmental assessment process and plan to impose carbon pricing across the country have driven investors from Alberta’s oilsands.
“The reason why the stakes are so high for Trans Mountain is because of the government’s disastrous energy policy from start to finish,” Scheer said in the House Monday.
NDP MP Charlie Angus said the government is running “roughshod” over Indigenous rights in its efforts to meet Kinder Morgan’s deadline, while the party’s leader in the House, Quebec MP Guy Caron, said it’s not clear that the federal government has sole jurisdiction over the pipeline.
NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh called on Ottawa last week to refer the matter to the Supreme Court of Canada, as B.C. Premier John Horgan pursues a ruling on whether his government in Victoria has power over environmental regulations related to the project, such as rules affecting oil shipments by sea from the pipeline terminal in Burnaby.
The government has dismissed the possibility of a Supreme Court reference, and Carr added Monday that the project was already approved by the B.C. government — though it was the Liberal government that Horgan’s NDP defeated in last year’s provincial election.
Speaking outside the House, Green Party Leader Elizabeth May said the Liberals are caught up in an attempt by Kinder Morgan to “blackmail” the government for financial support for the pipeline, and questioned why the federal government should spend taxpayer money to help the Texas company.

“It’s a grand pretext. It’s smoke and mirrors. It’s a con job,” she said. “If this prime minister wants to be — and God, I want him to be; I so want Justin Trudeau to be the climate leader the world wants — then don’t let Kinder Morgan be an albatross around your neck that makes you break promise after promise.”
Carr disagreed that the government is being blackmailed.
“Kinder Morgan is expressing a frustration with uncertainty,” he said.
“They’re on the verge of having to make very important financial decisions about how much to invest in the project. There’s already more than a billion dollars in investment. And certainty clearly is important to them. We understand that, and we will seek to give more certainty to the project.”

 

[JLM]

If that happens expect all the bands along the KinderMorgan route to sue BC forest loss of revenue.

From what I can gather now there isn't much doubt that the pipe line is going ahead. I suppose one should never say "never". I'd be happier if Trudeau's spine was a little stronger.

 

[Hoid]

Where the Interior First Canadian's living in town's and farming or did they move around to track their food supply? Did they have a permanent residence they returned to after successfully harvesting their food supply?

I agree the Native's that lived along the coast built permanent structures and set up villages with housing, here we have evidence of an argument for land entitlement and accumulated wealth.

because what you believe is the main thing

 

[pgs]

because what you believe is the main thing

At least his beliefs are based on facts not fairy dust and good feelings .

 

[captain morgan]

because what you believe is the main thing

.. And what you can't prove in any fashion is apparently fact

 

[Cliffy]

Mankind has created a monster, a serpent.
A "Corporate Gestalt". It has a life all of its own and despite logic will feed on us and this world till it becomes unsustainable. And will continue to feed even when it has the knowledge, that to continue will result in its own demise along with our own. - Paul Summerside

 

[pgs]

.. And what you can't prove in any fashion is apparently fact

Yes I see we are enjoying an early spring here in the great frozen north .

Mankind has created a monster, a serpent.
A "Corporate Gestalt". It has a life all of its own and despite logic will feed on us and this world till it becomes unsustainable. And will continue to feed even when it has the knowledge, that to continue will result in its own demise along with our own. - Paul Summerside

Who is Paul Summerside and why do you believe him ?

 

[petros]

Peter --

The Prime Minister’s comments after Sunday's Trans Mountain meeting were very disappointing.

The federal government provided no detailed solutions and no specific action to ensure that construction goes ahead - just that they are still "looking at options."

After all this time, why do they have no plan for getting this pipeline built? Why are they only now looking at options?

Canadians deserve better from our national government. Sign here if you support this critical pipeline project.

The federal government needs to step up NOW with a plan to get the Trans Mountain Expansion Project pipeline built.

Thousands of Canadian jobs and billions in additional economic activity hang in the balance.

Yesterday we announced Saskatchewan will join Alberta in introducing legislation to turn off the taps to British Columbia, in order to put pressure on the NDP government there to get this pipeline built.

As our Premier Scott Moe said “If the fuel tanks in B.C. start to run dry because Alberta has turned the tap off, it won't be Saskatchewan filling them up".

Sadly, the NDP here in Saskatchewan said we should back away, not turn off the taps to BC, and wave the white flag once again.

We will not back down. We will do what we can to ensure this pipeline gets built as soon as possible.

If you support Canada's energy industry, and support the construction of the Trans Mountain pipeline, show your support by signing up and clicking here.

Get Trans Mountain Pipeline Built - Saskatchewan Party

Thanks for your support of Saskatchewan workers and Canada's economy.

Sincerely,

Bronwyn Eyre
Minister of Energy and Resources


Saskatchewan Party
Saskatchewan Party

 

[JLM]

Mankind has created a monster, a serpent.
A "Corporate Gestalt". It has a life all of its own and despite logic will feed on us and this world till it becomes unsustainable. And will continue to feed even when it has the knowledge, that to continue will result in its own demise along with our own. - Paul Summerside

Retired doctor from Wisconsin.

 

[petros]

Retired doctor from Wisconsin.

Wisconsin: End terminal for Line 3 on the Great Lakes.

https://www.enbridge.com/projects-and-infrastructure/public-awareness/wisconsin/superior-terminal

 

[Mowich]

Rachel Notley has it right and our buffoon has it all wrong. He doesn't care where his votes come from. He just backs all the drones and parasites because they listen to him. When our prices sky rocket and they start whining at least I'll have one thing to laugh about as sad as it is. Ironically it's a miracle that Trudeau is doing the right thing.

Oh he cares very much about where his votes come from, JLM considering that he is only in office due to the support of the Greens. Having made his pact with the devil and craving to hold onto office at any cost to his integrity or the better good of British Columbians; knowing that any wavering in his stance on the extension would mean immediate withdrawal of support from that sphere, he is between a proverbial rock and a hard place. No way out. Nowhere to turn. Nowhere to run. Locked into an alliance that will in all likelihood spell doom for his chances of re-election.

Mankind has created a monster, a serpent.
A "Corporate Gestalt". It has a life all of its own and despite logic will feed on us and this world till it becomes unsustainable. And will continue to feed even when it has the knowledge, that to continue will result in its own demise along with our own. - Paul Summerside

Yes, Cliffy we are all doomed..............some of us sooner than others.

Peter --

The Prime Minister’s comments after Sunday's Trans Mountain meeting were very disappointing.

The federal government provided no detailed solutions and no specific action to ensure that construction goes ahead - just that they are still "looking at options."

After all this time, why do they have no plan for getting this pipeline built? Why are they only now looking at options?

Canadians deserve better from our national government. Sign here if you support this critical pipeline project.

The federal government needs to step up NOW with a plan to get the Trans Mountain Expansion Project pipeline built.

Thousands of Canadian jobs and billions in additional economic activity hang in the balance.

Yesterday we announced Saskatchewan will join Alberta in introducing legislation to turn off the taps to British Columbia, in order to put pressure on the NDP government there to get this pipeline built.

As our Premier Scott Moe said “If the fuel tanks in B.C. start to run dry because Alberta has turned the tap off, it won't be Saskatchewan filling them up".

Sadly, the NDP here in Saskatchewan said we should back away, not turn off the taps to BC, and wave the white flag once again.

We will not back down. We will do what we can to ensure this pipeline gets built as soon as possible.

If you support Canada's energy industry, and support the construction of the Trans Mountain pipeline, show your support by signing up and clicking here.

Get Trans Mountain Pipeline Built - Saskatchewan Party

Thanks for your support of Saskatchewan workers and Canada's economy.

Sincerely,

Bronwyn Eyre
Minister of Energy and Resources


Saskatchewan Party
Saskatchewan Party

:canada: :thumbright::thumbright::thumbright:


:love4:

 

[captain morgan]

Great letter by Bronwyn Eyre

... Looks like tater tot will be on the hot seat really soon

 

[JLM]

Oh he cares very much about where his votes come from, JLM considering that he is only in office due to the support of the Greens. Having made his pact with the devil and craving to hold onto office at any cost to his integrity or the better good of British Columbians; knowing that any wavering in his stance on the extension would mean immediate withdrawal of support from that sphere, he is between a proverbial rock and a hard place. No way out. Nowhere to turn. Nowhere to run. Locked into an alliance that will in all likelihood spell doom for his chances of re-election.

I think you are right. I'd guess 2/3 of British Columbians are for the pipe line and he should be supporting the majority. I don't normally favour referenda but this may be one that would break the "logjam".

 

[Cliffy]

Leather-clad Alberta Marauders threaten to storm BC unless they approve pipeline within 24 hours

VICTORIA – A motley crew of Alberta pipeline crusaders is threatening a full scale war with British Columbia unless they promptly approve safe passage for their precious diluted bitumen.
The two dozen or so pipeline warriors appeared on the BC Legislature lawn driving custom built motorcycles, doombuggies armed with menacing spikes, and F-150 pickup trucks with bumper stickers proclaiming ‘I Heart Alberta Beef.’
“Greetings from the Lord Notley, the Warrior of the Oilsand-Wasteland!” shouted the gang crier.
“I am disappointed in my fellow NDP members,” roared Lord Notley from a megaphone. “Your puny plan to delay the construction of Trans Mountain with court delays over jurisdiction is laughable. Your bicycles and electric vehicles are no match for our mighty gasoline and diesel engines! You won’t be so environmentally-friendly once I increase your gas prices to $2 per litre!”
As a demonstration, Lord Notley took a bottle of moderately priced Okanagan-valley Cabernet Sauvignon and crushed the bottle with her bare hand, horrifying many onlookers hiding in the Legislature building.
“And to show you that we’re serious,” added Lord Notley pointing at Jason Kenney wearing tight, assless chaps, “I’ve made Kenney here a bitch to socialism! He now approves direct public spending on a pipeline!”
Lord Notley paused for dramatic effect, adjusting her feathered shoulder pad.
“Remember, it’s in the national interest…you have 24 hours to get out of the way of Kinder Morgan.”
BC’s only response to the threat was Feral Kid Elizabeth May throwing a locally-made boomerang at the Alberta Marauders that disintegrated the moment it was thrown.


Leather-clad Alberta Marauders threaten to storm BC unless they approve pipeline within 24 hours - The Beaverton

 

[captain morgan]

And who's fault is it that they pay higher prices than the rest of the country? get rid of carbon tax, lower provincial taxes on fuel, encourage more refineries to set up, set up more storage, would help you to get in step with the prairies on cost.

BC's gonna be paying an Alberta Tax on top of all of theirs here really soon.

 

[Cliffy]

 

[Mowich]

I think you are right. I'd guess 2/3 of British Columbians are for the pipe line and he should be supporting the majority. I don't normally favour referenda but this may be one that would break the "logjam".

Politicians tend to look at referendums with a jaundiced eye, JLM as they have no control over the outcome and we all know that they fear loss of it.

Horgan has no recourse but to continue appeasing the Greenies lest his government face a motion of non-confidence should he suddenly see the light and get on the right side of this debate. His fate is sealed as it that of the Greens.

3,000 CP Rail workers could be on strike by end of week as union serves 72-hour notice | Financial Post

Well that could adversely affect rail transport of oil and gas to BC should AB and SK choose to restrict shipments.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Leather-clad Alberta Marauders threaten to storm BC unless they approve pipeline within 24 hours

VICTORIA – A motley crew of Alberta pipeline crusaders is threatening a full scale war with British Columbia unless they promptly approve safe passage for their precious diluted bitumen.
The two dozen or so pipeline warriors appeared on the BC Legislature lawn driving custom built motorcycles, doombuggies armed with menacing spikes, and F-150 pickup trucks with bumper stickers proclaiming ‘I Heart Alberta Beef.’

Your belief that a Ford F-150 is a weapon of war explains Canaduh's reputation as a military power.

 

[petros]

Military grade bumper sticker.