Should we have a Referendum on Pipeline Projects?

[Hoid]

If Mr Trudeau could simply lay the pipe there would be no meetings or press conferences.

The fact is that BC and First Nations have presented a problem that cannot simply be ignored or avoided. KM knows it and that's why KM suspended the project.

BC did not suspend anything - they merely stated what their course will be.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

If Mr Trudeau could simply lay the pipe there would be no meetings or press conferences.

The fact is that BC and First Nations have presented a problem that cannot simply be ignored or avoided. KM knows it and that's why KM suspended the project.

BC did not suspend anything - they merely stated what their course will be.

The environmentalists should have a referendum on common sense.

The pipeline will be built.

 

[petros]

Done deal.

 

[Cannuck]

Thanks Justin

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Trudeau pledges money, new law to make Trans Mountain happen, without details.

Quebec 1
British Columbia 0


Next Up! Trudeau pledges money for Environmental Group in Quebec.

 

[Mowich]

It seems every time we get stuck with a Federal Liberal Government I have to explain this to the dumbfounded betrayed British Columbia Liberal supporters.

You folks live in B.C., those other guys live in Quebec. They like Quebec more than you, more than Ontario, more than Nova Scotia or even Newfoundland. Quebec has always been the favorite. It's where they all came from, except Harper or some politician I've missed, but Trudeau, Martin, Chretien, Mulroney, all came from Quebec.

Trudeau doesn't give a rats ass about British Columbia.

In fact, you guys should find a stick to bite down on, because he's about to lay some pipe and you're the repository.

How the BC Interior voted in the last Federal Election

Central Okanagan/Similkameen/Nicola - Conservative
Kamloops/Thompson/Cariboo - Conservative
Kelowna/Lake Country - Conservative
Kootenay/Columbia - Conservative
North Okanagan/Shuswap - Conservative
Prince George/Peace River/Northern Rockies - Conservative

Were a poll taken in those ridings on the issue of the pipeline, RCS I am sure that the majority of respondents would be whole-heartedly in favor of the pipeline extension.

 

[Hoid]

The environmentalists should have a referendum on common sense.

The pipeline will be built.

The "just because" school.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Maybe y'all should have a referendum on everything. Fire Parliament. Save some money.

 

[Murphy]

I am content to let the law, the Charter, etc., determine things. The pipeline will be finished, the whiners notwithstanding.

Waldo, Cliffy and some others do not understand how the Canadian legal system or our Parliamentary process work. Waldo will whine. Cliffy will be dead before the pipeline is completed. Heck, the local natives around Nakups are embarrassed for the whites, when Cliffy opens his mouth. It is the way of things. :lol:

In the meantime, reruns of Supernatural are being broadcast on T&E.

 

[Bar Sinister]

I don't think we should have a referendum on anything. Most members of the population don't have the knowledge to vote intelligently in a referendum In addition, referenda are expensive, divisive, and are a way for governments to deal with issues they are afraid to touch. We elect governments to make decisions; not to throw the issues back at us. If we don't like what the government does then we can always vote it out and put in another that is more to our liking.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I don't think we should have a referendum on anything. Most members of the population don't have the knowledge to vote intelligently in a referendum In addition, referenda are expensive, divisive, and are a way for governments to deal with issues they are afraid to touch. We elect governments to make decisions; not to throw the issues back at us. If we don't like what the government does then we can always vote it out and put in another that is more to our liking.

At last we agree on something. Except the underlined bold part which clearly illustrates the arrogance of an elitist.

 

[gerryh]

I don't think we should have a referendum on anything. Most members of the population don't have the knowledge to vote intelligently in a referendum In addition, referenda are expensive, divisive, and are a way for governments to deal with issues they are afraid to touch. We elect governments to make decisions; not to throw the issues back at us. If we don't like what the government does then we can always vote it out and put in another that is more to our liking.

So, most members of the population aren't smart enough to vote in a single issue referendum, but they ARE smart enough to vote in a multi issue general election. Interesting.

 

[Jinentonix]

So you think that doing the wrong thing is justified then.

It's called sarcasm. Even the rail companies will tell you that rail is far from the best way to transport oil. BUT, if there's no pipeline then that's how the oil is going to make it port.
I think what many of you fail to understand is, the global economy is still an oil-based economy and there's no two ways around it. You know all those goods that get shipped from over-seas? They arrive on massive container ships that get about 32 meters to the gallon of bunker fuel. Bunker fuel is the leftover "sludge" from refining a bbl of oil. While gasoline is actually a by-product of kerosene production. Kerosene is the base for jet fuel.

Nah, oil ain't going anywhere for a long time. I will again concede however that burning it in oil furnaces for power generation is a huge waste of a precious resource. It's also the least profitable sale for oil companies.

 

[Gilgamesh]

I consider referendums to be a failure of the democratic process.

Pipelines should be decided by those people who are directly and indirectly affected by them - not by people who are far removed from their dangers.

The law/s regarding pipelines are very clear.

The problem is that Prince Shiny Pony is our gutless PM. He just needs to grow a pair.

 

[Bar Sinister]

So, most members of the population aren't smart enough to vote in a single issue referendum, but they ARE smart enough to vote in a multi issue general election. Interesting.

It is one of the major weaknesses in a democratic system. Ideally voters are supposed to keep themselves informed so that they can vote intelligently, but most don't bother. In addition, so many modern issues are so complicated that they require a good deal of study to understand properly. Most voters an't be bothered to do that sort of research and many lack the education to understand those sorts of issues properly. That is why you get people voting to restrict human rights and even voting against their own best interests. You don't have to look any farther than Donald Trump to understand what I am talking abut.

At last we agree on something. Except the underlined bold part which clearly illustrates the arrogance of an elitist.

Sorry, I can't help it if I know more than you do.

 

[Cliffy]

http://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/03/07/opinion/fatal-flaw-albertas-oil-expansion

Kinda pointless to build a pipeline to nowhere. Nobody wants Alberta's crap bitumen. It is too expensive to mine, it has to have all kinds of toxic crap to make it flow down a pipeline, it takes far more to process the toxic crap out of it and then to dispose of the sludge that is left over. This pipeline is decades late as nobody wants this crap and it is shear stupidity to waste time and money building a pipeline that will most likely never see the sludge flowing in it.
Great way to divide and conquer the sheeple though.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Sorry, I can't help it if I know more than you do.

Gee, now you sound like "THE DONALD."

 

[Twin_Moose]

If our elected officials were to vote with impunity instead of forced to vote along party line there would be no talk of referendums and special interest groups would lose a lot of their voice.

 

[pgs]

http://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/03/07/opinion/fatal-flaw-albertas-oil-expansion

Kinda pointless to build a pipeline to nowhere. Nobody wants Alberta's crap bitumen. It is too expensive to mine, it has to have all kinds of toxic crap to make it flow down a pipeline, it takes far more to process the toxic crap out of it and then to dispose of the sludge that is left over. This pipeline is decades late as nobody wants this crap and it is shear stupidity to waste time and money building a pipeline that will most likely never see the sludge flowing in it.
Great way to divide and conquer the sheeple though.

Well it is not your money being spent , why would you worry if Kinder Morgan lost money ?