Stock market meltdown has to do with a lot more than just Facebook

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Stock market meltdown has to do with a lot more than just Facebook

Bad news for Facebook may have been a catalyst for Monday's market meltdown, but analysts say there are plenty of reasons for selling to continue, not the least of which is an atmosphere of uncertainty being created by the White House.

Fear of a global trade war tops the list of worries sparked by the Trump administration, but analysts also say the personnel shakeups and concern over the ongoing Russia investigation, including whether President Donald Trump will fire the special prosecutor, are also hanging over the market.

On top of that, the economy seems to have lost some oomph. Economists no longer see 3 percent growth forecasts for the current quarter. Recent real estate and retail sales data raise questions about what is going on with the consumer, and there is concern Fed interest rate hikes could slow things down even more.

In the very near term, investors are looking to the Fed for guidance. The Federal Open Market Committee begins a two-day meeting Tuesday and will release new economic and interest rate forecasts Wednesday. The Fed is widely expected to raise rates, but the future course of rate hikes is unclear, and analysts say the reaction in stocks could be negative if the Fed expects more than the three rate hikes it currently forecasts for this year.

"We don't see any reason for an abatement of this market pressure coming on before the Fed. After the Fed, we'll have to see what their message is," said Julian Emanuel, head of equities and derivatives strategy at BTIG. "The [White House] personnel turnover at the margin increases uncertainty, and markets dislike uncertainty. There are so many uncertainties right now —politically, economically, monetarily."

The Dow was down more than 335 points to 24,610, and the S&P 500 was off 1.4 percent to 2,712. The S&P broke below its 50-day moving average at 2,748 and was still about a dozen points above its 100-day moving average, at 2,688.

U.S. interest rates, meanwhile, continued to rise Monday. Typically, Treasury yields fall when stocks sell off, because investors seek safety in the bond market. Instead, the 2-year yield reached a new nine-year high of 2.32 percent early Monday, and the 10-year yield also rose, to around 2.85 percent.

Facebook was the far bigger weight on the market than rising rates, but analysts said Trump also spooked the market. Analysts pointed to a weekend flurry of tweets from the president attacking the integrity of special prosecutor Robert Mueller's investigation.

"Trump is one tweet away from scaring the hell out of the market," said Art Cashin, UBS' director of floor operations.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/19/tech-stock-market-meltdown.html
 

Hoid

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The market will do whatever it is going to do and they will explain it afterwards.

If they could explain it beforehand they wouldn't be writing about it.
 

Walter

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This one always makes me laugh.

It really does now look like President Donald J. Trump, and markets are plunging. When might we expect them to recover?
Frankly, I find it hard to care much, even though this is my specialty. The disaster for America and the world has so many aspects that the economic ramifications are way down my list of things to fear.
Still, I guess people want an answer: If the question is when markets will recover, a first-pass answer is never.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...-night-2016/paul-krugman-the-economic-fallout
 

OpposingDigit

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I think Friday the 23rd is Good Friday ..... and Easter Monday is the 26th.

We definitely can predict a huge market decline between now and end of trading on Thursday, and at the opening on Tuesday the 27th will have us well aware of the damage done. (I'm thinking it might be 1500 or a 2000 point drop between now and Tuesday morning, perhaps more. Just depends on how much the Fed will fess up..)

The Federal Reserve is pumping the market up with the Plunge Protection Team.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_Group_on_Financial_Markets

The Federal Reserve would like to begin raising rates, but it can't while the markets are crashing ..... It can't suck and blow at the same time.
 
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Hoid

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Can the American markets survive without massive federal intervention?
 

Walter

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I think Friday the 23rd is Good Friday ..... and Easter Monday is the 26th.

We definitely can predict a huge market decline between now and end of trading on Thursday, and at the opening on Tuesday the 27th will have us well aware of the damage done. (I'm thinking it might be 1500 or a 2000 point drop between now and Tuesday morning, perhaps more. Just depends on how much the Fed will fess up..)

The Federal Reserve is pumping the market up with the Plunge Protection Team.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_Group_on_Financial_Markets

The Federal Reserve would like to begin raising rates, but it can't while the markets are crashing ..... It can't suck and blow at the same time.
Good Friday is March 30 and Easter Monday is April 2.
 

OpposingDigit

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Hi! Hoid

it is the derivative markets which are doing the real harm. So, to answer your question, the markets can not survive without first solving the over the counter derivative sales, because they are guaranteed by the federal government.

Derivatives were illegal in the United States between 1936 and 1983., but now America has polluted every bank in the universe with 1.5 quadrillion dollars of derivatives.

It is the hedge funds which are going to take the hit. The Federal Reserve will decide which hedge fund is not politically connected enough and choose those to curtail and bankrupt.

Hi! Walter

Thank you for the correction .... It is kind of good news ..... the hit is going to happen before Easter break. Between now and Monday the 26th unless China delays its intentions which are scheduled for the 25th.

The meeting between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia might give assurances that Saudi Arabia might choose not to sell oil for the Chinese Yuan, and it may settle the markets down a bit. But America will need to become more actively involved in Yemen and Iran as part of the trade off.
 

OpposingDigit

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Oh! I made a mistake with the date of when China intends to introduce or open up a yuan-dominated oil futures contract or exchange.

It is not March 25th, .... It is March 26th instead.

It is not totally finalized yet. Just one signature away.
https://mybulliontrade.com/china-is-one-signature-away-from-dealing-the-dollar-a-death-blow

Also, there was talk about whether Saudi Arabia would sell China oil in Yuan rather than the U.S. Dollar.
There is something very fishy happening. The Crown Prince is going to travel around the U.S. for 2 weeks or more. What leader of a country visits that long? Especially when he is in the middle of huge turmoil at home?

In addition; just imagine how embarrassing it was to the Saudi People when Trump treated the Crown Prince like a sales person?
 

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Yup, you guys should listen to Smurphy. He knows everything cuz he studied under the tutelage of Petroglyph the Grand high Poobah of know it alls.
 

Kreskin

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Any of you guys remember an investment guru in the 70s named Glanville? He always predicted where the market would go until people realuzed everyone bought and sold on his recommendations. In other words, he was the market. That guy knew how to make money off the sheep.
 

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Any of you guys remember an investment guru in the 70s named Glanville? He always predicted where the market would go until people realuzed everyone bought and sold on his recommendations. In other words, he was the market. That guy knew how to make money off the sheep.
Isn't that what the stock market is designed to do?
 

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That he posted it.

I think it's rather funny that all these high rolling stock market experts spend their winters sitting behind their computer screen in Calgary, Regina and Toronto spewing idiotic claptrap on CC and act like it's something for a recycling sorter to head to the tropics for a few weeks.

I'm guessing they all know as much about the stock market as they do everything else.
 

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Stock market meltdown has to do with a lot more than just Facebook

A 1.4% drop is only a "meltdown" in your fantasy world.

Seriously, mentalfloss, you're just embarrassing yourself cutting and pasting stupid crap you don't understand any better than the idiot who wrote it in the first place.
 

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A 1.4% drop is only a "meltdown" in your fantasy world.

Seriously, mentalfloss, you're just embarrassing yourself cutting and pasting stupid crap you don't understand any better than the idiot who wrote it in the first place.
I also believe the markets rebounded the last two days .