So I guess conservatives want four more years of Trudeau?

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

You'd think so, with stupid statements like this. Why we would interject into the policy of another country that has still not resolved a peace plan is mind boggling?

If my fellow conservatives want to endure another four years with the terrorist hugging liberals all they need to do is endorse this nonsense.

HEY, ANDREW SCHEER!
GIVE YOUR FOOKING HEAD A SHAKE!

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Scheer pledges Tories will recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital if elected

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer announced Monday his party would follow the U.S. president’s decision to recognize as Israel’s capital the city that Palestinians also claim as their capital.



OTTAWA—Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer says if his party forms government in 2019, it will follow U.S. President Donald Trump’s lead and recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
Scheer’s declaration comes in the form of a pledge posted to the Conservative party website designed to gather signatures from members of the public.
“Canada’s Conservatives led by Andrew Scheer will recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital when we form government in 2019,” the pledge says, describing the party as “a strong voice for Israel and the Canadian Jewish community.”

 

[captain morgan]

I dunno RCS, while wading into this area is unnecessary by the Cons, I think that it will take a far larger gaffe to compete with trudeau's India debacle.

... Hell, the cannabis file alone could act to sink the Libs and float the Cons

 

[Colpy]

You'd think so, with stupid statements like this. Why we would interject into the policy of another country that has still not resolved a peace plan is mind boggling?

If my fellow conservatives want to endure another four years with the terrorist hugging liberals all they need to do is endorse this nonsense.

HEY, ANDREW SCHEER!
GIVE YOUR FOOKING HEAD A SHAKE!

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Scheer pledges Tories will recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital if elected

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer announced Monday his party would follow the U.S. president’s decision to recognize as Israel’s capital the city that Palestinians also claim as their capital.



OTTAWA—Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer says if his party forms government in 2019, it will follow U.S. President Donald Trump’s lead and recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
Scheer’s declaration comes in the form of a pledge posted to the Conservative party website designed to gather signatures from members of the public.
“Canada’s Conservatives led by Andrew Scheer will recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital when we form government in 2019,” the pledge says, describing the party as “a strong voice for Israel and the Canadian Jewish community.”

Israel is a nation.

Israel has designated Jerusalem as their capital city.

Jerusalem is part of Israel.

Israel is an ally, and their capital is Jerusalem. It has been for 37 years.

The question is why wouldn't we have our embassy in Jerusalem, the capital of Israel?

 

[Jinentonix]

And yet liberals want to be conservatives. We "stole" this land from the Natives and are now in the process of demonizing our history, changing some place names back to their original Native names(which I have no real issue with), and yet they don't have a problem with an invader (Palestine) claiming the ancient capital of the Israelites as their own while taking issue with Jerusalem's rightful owners having claim to it.

Which begs the question; how long can a people live on stolen land before they can legitimately claim it's theirs?

 

[mentalfloss]

Eh..

He's playing to the base, but yea, I can't imagine anyone else getting on board.

 

[JLM]

I dunno RCS, while wading into this area is unnecessary by the Cons, I think that it will take a far larger gaffe to compete with trudeau's India debacle.

... Hell, the cannabis file alone could act to sink the Libs and float the Cons

Yep, there's going to be a hell of lot of pot heads in high dudgeon come July 1.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

And yet liberals want to be conservatives. We "stole" this land from the Natives and are now in the process of demonizing our history, changing some place names back to their original Native names(which I have no real issue with), and yet they don't have a problem with an invader (Palestine) claiming the ancient capital of the Israelites as their own while taking issue with Jerusalem's rightful owners having claim to it.

Which begs the question; how long can a people live on stolen land before they can legitimately claim it's theirs?

Following the lead of an idiot like Donald Trump is only going to get Scheer branded as a Republican wannabe. I find it strange that we bitch at the leaders we oppose for sticking their nose where it doesn't belong, yet fall deaf when our own good advice is worth consideration.

I dunno RCS, while wading into this area is unnecessary by the Cons, I think that it will take a far larger gaffe to compete with trudeau's India debacle.

... Hell, the cannabis file alone could act to sink the Libs and float the Cons

Arrogance is how we ended up with this idiot in the first place. I don't give a shit about Israel or Palestine, I do care about Canada and the absolutely incompetent leader we presently have. Thinking that the cannabis file or India will sink Trudeau is arrogant.

Scheer was made leader of the Conservative Party for the fact that he is a young new face. If he offers himself up as the usual right wing christian nutbar who follows the flawed lead of an American President who is clearly the polar opposite of Trudeau but just as inexperienced and unqualified, he will be handing Trudeau another majority.

Israel is a nation.

Israel has designated Jerusalem as their capital city.

Jerusalem is part of Israel.

Israel is an ally, and their capital is Jerusalem. It has been for 37 years.

The question is why wouldn't we have our embassy in Jerusalem, the capital of Israel?

The question is, "What business is of ours?"

The question is, "Why would we debate into a hotbed of polarization when clearly the two state solution is still at a standstill?"

 

[Danbones]

Well just imagine what would happen if trudie spoke up about anything bad about
( we don't take no steenkin refugees) israel.

we just might have a conservative government in a few minutes.

Instead we will just watch genocide being committed on the invaded while pastel trudie genuflects and smiles.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Well just imagine what would happen if trudie spoke up about anything bad about
( we don't take no steenkin refugees) israel.

we just might have a conservative government in a few minutes.

Instead we will just watch genocide being committed on the invaded while pastel trudie genuflects and smiles.

WTF are you talking about? Genocide?

 

[Decapoda]

Following the lead of an idiot like Donald Trump is only going to get Scheer branded as a Republican wannabe. I find it strange that we bitch at the leaders we oppose for sticking their nose where it doesn't belong, yet fall deaf when our own good advice is worth consideration.

While I'm not a big fan of Trump, the fact is that he merely completed a task that was supposed to be completed by 1999. The Jerusalem Embassy Act was passed by the US congress in 1995. It's hard to fault a leader who has the tenacity to follow through on a job that 3 previous presidents didn't have the stomach for...although Bush likely deserves some slack, the Act allowed for the President to "delay the implementation of the law indefinitely if the move presents national security concerns". A lot of things changed on 9/11.

As far as Scheer recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital, I tend to agree it may be contentious and possibly detrimental to the Conservatives, at least he is showing that he can take a stand on an international issue without being a pussy, something that Canadians may be appreciative of given the current leadership we have. And if not, at least there's no doubt where he stands.

I do hope that if this is something the Conservatives are supporting, that this is a decision made by the party, not just the leader. We already have a wannabe dictator.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

While I'm not a big fan of Trump, the fact is that he merely completed a task that was supposed to be completed by 1999. The Jerusalem Embassy Act was passed by the US congress in 1995. It's hard to fault a leader who has the tenacity to follow through on a job that 3 previous presidents didn't have the stomach for...although Bush likely deserves some slack, the Act allowed for the President to "delay the implementation of the law indefinitely if the move presents national security concerns". A lot of things changed on 9/11.

The United States, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Lebanon, need to get their noses out of Israel and Palestine's business.

As far as Scheer recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital, I tend to agree it may be contentious and possibly detrimental to the Conservatives, at least he is showing that he can take a stand on an international issue without being a pussy, something that Canadians may be appreciative of given the current leadership we have. And if not, at least there's no doubt where he stands.

Trudeau has so many flaws that I can't understand why anyone would want to give him ammunition to fire back.

I do hope that if this is something the Conservatives are supporting, that this is a decision made by the party, not just the leader. We already have a wannabe dictator.

Keep this thread in mind come 2019. I'd love to be wrong, but I've seen stupid moves on the part of politicians who clearly should have won an election. John Tory (School Funding) Tim Hudak (Announcing he will gut the Civil Service) Stephen Harper (Niqab Debate).

Mr. Scheer is wading into something which will be his undoing in the next election.

And it's completely unnecessary.

 

[Hoid]

I applaud him for speaking honestly.If that's what he believes then that's what he believes and the public should know it. Too many people who believe this won't say it.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I applaud him for speaking honestly.If that's what he believes then that's what he believes and the public should know it. Too many people who believe this won't say it.

Too many people? You base this on what?

 

[Decapoda]

The United States, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Lebanon, need to get their noses out of Israel and Palestine's business.

This is about the location of an embassy and recognition of political lines based on past commitments.

Trudeau has so many flaws that I can't understand why anyone would want to give him ammunition to fire back.

Who knows, maybe giving a fool excess ammunition only serves to help him shoot himself in the foot.

I am more concerned with whether or not this is a solid political stance by the Conservatives as a cohesive party and their ability to support it. It could be based on political strategy.

Keep this thread in mind come 2019. I'd love to be wrong, but I've seen stupid moves on the part of politicians who clearly should have won an election. John Tory (School Funding) Tim Hudak (Announcing he will gut the Civil Service) Stephen Harper (Niqab Debate).

Mr. Scheer is wading into something which will be his undoing in the next election.

And it's completely unnecessary.

You could be right. there is always risk in taking a strong stance on contentious issues. But people generally like a leader who is strong willed. The key is to realize which issues show strength, and which ones are too toxic. Hard to say where this one falls.

 

[captain morgan]

Following the lead of an idiot like Donald Trump is only going to get Scheer branded as a Republican wannabe. I find it strange that we bitch at the leaders we oppose for sticking their nose where it doesn't belong, yet fall deaf when our own good advice is worth consideration.

At the end of the day, approx 1/2 of the electorate voted for Trump and his policies were pretty clear.

You don't have to agree with his policies (I disagree with a great deal of them) but the fact of the matter is that he has worked to keep those promises.

I can think of very few Canadian politicians that have done so

Thinking that the cannabis file or India will sink Trudeau is arrogant.

I really don't understand what that means.

Go back to what JT got elected on, policies, platforms, etc. and really, what did he have to offer other than the standard political-speak platitudes.

Ultimately, I have come to the conclusion that Canadians are low-information voters and want to believe, in their heart, the tripe that is offered by many/most politicians.

With this in mind, I don't think that it's 'arrogant' to suspect that an event(s) such as the trudeau family trip to India (and Japan & London & France, et al, etc) won't have an impact or be in the minds of the electorate come election day.

On that note, the cannabis proposal was favorably received by a substantial % of the population... There were many that were/are extremely supportive and a large % that really didn't give a rip, but thought that it would not be harmful (ie. Reefer Madness style). That said, unless the JT gvt can provide an acceptble reason why there is such limited progress, that door is open to the other Parties to exploit and not so much a big selling element to the Libs

Scheer was made leader of the Conservative Party for the fact that he is a young new face. If he offers himself up as the usual right wing christian nutbar who follows the flawed lead of an American President who is clearly the polar opposite of Trudeau but just as inexperienced and unqualified, he will be handing Trudeau another majority.

Who are the christian nutbar leaders in recent memory.

I believe JT holds some kind of christian religious affiliation, does that make him a christian nutbar to?

 

[Danbones]

WTF are you talking about? Genocide?

If i have to spell palestinian for you then I AM on the wrong thread aren't I?

and what was that that you were saying would happen if trudeau was to say anything bad about israel in public again?

 

[White_Unifier]

Too many people? You base this on what?

On a clairvoyant survey?

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

This is about the location of an embassy and recognition of political lines based on past commitments.

Not according to the over 1 million Muslim voters in Canada.

Personally, I see the Israel issue this way. Once in awhile an Israeli leader decides that he'd like to find a solution to the Palestine/Israel fight. One of three things happens. That leader either has a stroke, ends up being assassinated or is stabbed in the back by the Palestinian leadership. Hence they end up with a hard right wing leader who will walk away from negotions.

I believe the issues in Israel and Palestine would be a lot easier to solve if outside factions kept their nose out of it. I speak not only of the US, but Arab countries who have a vested interest in keeping the war going.

Who knows, maybe giving a fool excess ammunition only serves to help him shoot himself in the foot.

Never underestimate your opponent or the gullibility of the voting public at large.

I am more concerned with whether or not this is a solid political stance by the Conservatives as a cohesive party and their ability to support it. It could be based on political strategy.

Cohesion is good. But the Cons need to lose the hard right wing christian dogma.

You could be right. there is always risk in taking a strong stance on contentious issues. But people generally like a leader who is strong willed. The key is to realize which issues show strength, and which ones are too toxic. Hard to say where this one falls.

I just shake my head.

 

[JLM]

What I'd really like to see (if in fact it was ever identified or exists in some form) is where our National debt sits at today compared with the Feb. 2018 level predicted when Justin was campaigning to be P.M. (Was it $30B over and above what it was in Oct. 2015?)

 

[White_Unifier]

Maybe Canada should just declare bankruptcy. No one will want to lend to us for a while. When the government no longer has a choice but to balance the books, then Canadians might finally smarten up.