The Trump Shutdown! On his 1 yr Anniversary

darkbeaver

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So desperate to look like you've won something. It's sad.

This place used to be of far greater interest, there used to be more discussion more intelligent comments more substance now it most often reminds me, and you it seems, of a nonstop parrade of clowns and clownish pasted pictures and non stop drivel instead of conversation and exchanges in good faith. That is by design, that same baseness is becomming common to all sites like this as freedom of speech and exchange of ideas become the enemy of states instead of the nutrient. There is the Super State.
 

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Why the Democrats lost their nerve in the shutdown battle

From the outset, the government shutdown had been a test of wills. On Monday morning, the Democrats realized they had lost theirs.
At a caucus meeting in a room just off the Senate floor, a group of vulnerable Senate Democrats told their leader, Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.), that the cost of their effort to protect young undocumented immigrants known as "dreamers" from deportation was rapidly escalating. It could imperil what was otherwise a promising outlook in November's midterm election — and with it, the Democrats' hopes of ending their exile from power.
With the shutdown heading into its third day, they were feeling the heat and finding it hard to control the messaging war. Voters in Florida, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were getting Republican robo-calls saying Democrats had "prioritized illegal immigrants over American citizens."
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So the Democrats decided to take a deal they had turned down only the night before — a less-than-airtight assurance by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) that "it would be my intention" to consider legislation that would address those immigrants in the coming weeks, but only if the government were reopened.
"There's a practical question of, 'Are you going to achieve more by holding out, are you going to get anywhere?' " asked Sen. Angus King (Maine), an independent who caucuses with the Democrats. "[Schumer's] assessment was, this was a positive step forward and to hold out further, you wouldn't get any more."
Federal shutdowns are a tactic that has been tried with some regularity over the past quarter-century.
This time, it was the Democrats' turn to learn what Republicans have before them: First, that bringing the government to a halt is not an advantageous way for the opposition to force through the policy objectives it has not been able to achieve through legislating. And second, that the party that holds the White House has the upper hand.
Polls consistently show that a large majority of the public is sympathetic to the plight of the hundreds of thousands of immigrants who were brought to this country illegally by their parents, and opposes President Trump's decision to end the Obama-era program, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), that shielded them from deportation. If it is not renewed by March, the "dreamers" face the prospect of being forced to leave the only country many have ever thought of as home.
But what the Democratic senators were sensing was something else that shows up in the polls: Most voters do not want to see the government shut down over immigration. And the causes that are articles of faith with the Democrats' liberal and ethnically diverse base can alienate many voters in conservative, largely white battleground states.
After the Democrats' huddle, Schumer went to the floor and relented. He declared that McConnell's statement was a "commitment" and warned the GOP leader to "abide by this agreement" or else risk breaching the trust of lawmakers in both parties.
Trust, however, is not a currency that is trading at a high value these days in Washington politics.
A flood of social media fury was directed at Schumer for a "cave" by "weak-kneed, right-of-center Democrats," as the Progressive Change Campaign Committee framed the Democrats' move. Outraged liberals moaned that Democrats had won nothing but a fig leaf to cover the fact that they had broken down.
OFA, the political remnant of Barack Obama's presidential campaigns, issued a statement: "Let's be clear: This stopgap measure is not a solution. It's merely a band-aid for a self-inflicted wound that remains untreated."
"I do not see how a vague promise from the Senate Majority Leader about a vague policy to be voted on in the future helps the Dreamers," said Rep. Luis V. Gutiérrez (D-Ill.), one of the party's most prominent immigration advocates.
Immigrant advocates and liberals were frustrated in December when Democrats supported the last short-term spending bill with nothing in return for the dreamers. Democratic leaders tried to quiet their concerns by promising to make their stand on the issue in January.
The shutdown exposed the challenges facing congressional Democrats daily: how to wrangle victories while in the minority and keep the party's base energized ahead of the November elections.
Unlike conservative Republicans who led a 2013 government shutdown, Democrats have no *antipathy for the federal government and its services — and they squirmed this week once they began to be blamed by Republicans when agencies were shuttered.
"I just think our job is to make sure government works for people and their lives get better, and that's what I tried to do," said Sen. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.), an at-risk incumbent who had called for days for the shutdown to end.
Democrats tried to blame the impasse on Republicans, noting that they control both the White House and Congress.
But their own polling revealed that a shutdown could be a bigger political problem for Democrats fighting for survival in conservative states.
A survey of red-state voters conducted last month by the Senate Majority PAC, which aims to elect Democrats to the Senate, showed that 48 percent of respondents would blame them for a shutdown, compared with 39 percent who said the fault would lie with Trump and the Republicans.
Other Democrats also felt uncomfortable with the shutdown being defined purely as an exercise to address the concerns of the dreamers. Beginning Sunday and into Monday, Senate Democrats began to try to tweak the terms of the debate and spoke of other issues driving their stance, such as efforts to secure disaster aid or expand community health centers.
Searching for silver linings, some argued that what their liberal base saw as capitulation was actually a sign of something the Senate has not experienced in years — bipartisanship.
After the government shut down, "there was a large group, 25 senators almost evenly divided between the parties, that immediately went to work and fixed this and that's the way this place is supposed to work. So I'd rather dwell on that than what might have been had we not gotten this done," said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), who is battling for reelection in a state that Trump won by nearly 19 percentage points in 2016.
Whether that kind of cooperation can continue is another question. Much will hinge on whether McConnell follows through on his pledge to deal with the immigration issues that brought the two sides to their three-day standoff.
"Now comes the test, the real test, as to whether we can get this done, whether we can be the Senate again, whether we can return to regular order on the floor and constructively have a debate," said Sen. Richard J. Durbin (Ill.), the Senate minority whip. "For some of you, it will be the first time you've ever seen it. But believe me, it's worth the price of admission, all it took for you to come to the United States Senate."

edit: article is by the Washington Post
 
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darkbeaver

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In the long run we're all dead.

Just the meat Walter. You,ll remember anon.


Trump seems unstoppable. I don,t think it,s a horseshoe inim though. I think the swamp is as real as it gets however. The swamp has done it,s work and must be emptied perhaps to allow an improved model to occupy that space. Instead of that club of servile gluttons I,m in awe of what evil awaits in the wings. Those may even have wings.

In the long run we're all dead.

Avoid long distance running maybe.
 

Danbones

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If you put stuff in the bottles ( like straws, or bugs, or little rocks, or computer mice) they have to hire a man to get them out so they can reuse the bottles...
:)
LOL, if you really want to mess them up, send a few bottles back with little ships in them.
(Paint "save me!" on the ships!!!)
 

darkbeaver

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If you put stuff in the bottles ( like straws, or bugs, or little rocks, or computer mice) they have to hire a man to get them out so they can reuse the bottles...
:)
LOL, if you really want to mess them up, send a few bottles back with little ships in them.
(Paint "save me!" on the ships!!!)

Good idea, I can help boost employment. What about the cans though? I could switch to bottles exclusivly but I,m worried about the extra weight in my twilight years. Some sort of little wagon perhaps that folds up for trunck/boot transport?
 

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Democratic backbiting persists after shutdown defeat
Senate Democrats’ decision to fund the government without securing a clear path to relief for Dreamers has fueled a rebellion on the left that isn’t quieting.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/23/democrats-post-shutdown-bickering-364530

Gee, all those little ILLEGAL votes with wings on them flying away...
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De feet are in dare bums and in dare mouts
(Hi avro, you look good as a pretzel, in pictures of YOUR family, hillary is proud!)
 

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Democratic backbiting persists after shutdown defeat
Senate Democrats’ decision to fund the government without securing a clear path to relief for Dreamers has fueled a rebellion on the left that isn’t quieting.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/23/democrats-post-shutdown-bickering-364530

Gee, all those little ILLEGAL votes with wings on them flying away...
;)
De feet are in dare bums and in dare mouts
(Hi avro, you look good as a pretzel, in pictures of YOUR family, hillary is proud!)

They are flocking ... FLOCKING to the Trump side, after that!
 

Danbones

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Hallucinogens..^

Reality:

Angry illegals converge on Schumer home: ‘We won’t let him sleep!’

Illegal immigrants are biting the only hand willing to feed them.

Months after crashing a Nancy Pelosi press conference and causing her to lash out, DACA defenders converged on Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer’s New York City home and protested what they believe is his lack of intestinal fortitude for their cause.
Angry illegals converge on Schumer home: 'We won't let him sleep!' - The American MirrorThe American Mirror

Somebody let the nuts out...Oooops, I mean IN...
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..and UNtruedoh wants to fill Canada with that kind of stuff to make sorea$$ happy?

Justice Department continues crackdown on 'sanctuary' cities

The Justice Department sent letters to 23 states, cities and counties, including California, Los Angeles and Chicago, demanding records showing whether law enforcement officers are sharing information with federal agents on the immigration status of people in their custody. (Jan. 24, 2018)
Justice Department continues crackdown on 'sanctuary' cities
 

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What shutdown? 17% of fed employees got an unexpected, and I'm sure welcome, long weekend. Schumer is such a putz.