Is Canada ready for the coming electric vehicle revolution?

[Murphy]

https://www.greencarreports.com/new...very-2015-2016-plug-in-car-with-specs-updated

My concerns about these cars are:

1. Not enough range for one charge,
2. Lack of charging stations, and
3. Price. Value for for what you get. US prices put them in the mid $30s to purchase.

I pulled this from the Net. For a CDN VW e-Golf. 201 km range on one charge. $36335 + prep and taxes. Most of the VW Golf line is cheaper than their e-model. The wall charger is an additional $1000 + tax. No mention of it being included in the sale price of the vehicle.

https://vwmodels.ca/2018/egolf/?

According to driving.ca, the Golf ranges in price from $19,195 to $40,095. People are apt to spend $25000 on a Golf, not $36,000 on an e-Golf. Call it Family Economics.

 

[petros]

What is the road tax per watt?

It's going to be "shocking" to use one of Wynne's favourite words.

No gasoline no diesel = no money for infrastructure.

Ontario drivers are covering most of the costs of road infrastructure, while those in the Toronto-Hamilton area are paying far more than their share, a new study has found.

The report released Thursday found Ontario road users driving cars, minivans, SUVs and light pickup trucks are paying 70 to 90 per cent of the costs of the road through fuel taxes, vehicle registration fees and tolls, to the tune of $7.5 billion a year

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/glo...-of-road-costs-study-reveals/article14901607/

In ON 14.7¢/litre is the rate.

Where is that going to come from for EVs?

They WILL get it one way or another.

https://retail.petro-canada.ca/en/fuelsavings/gas-taxes-canada.aspx

 

[Hoid]

China launches the the NIO ES8 a 7 seater electric SUV.

It costs $65 K usd - half the price of a Tesla.

China is said to be considering an outright ban on gas powered cars within the next ten years or less - just like everyone else.

 

[Curious Cdn]

I like the idea of the plug-in hybrid, myself. Most day-to-day travel will be covered by the overnight charge but an on-board generator tops up the batteries when one exceeds the range of the overnight charge. It ain't sexy. It ain't "muscle car" but it drastically reduces emissions while still allowing us Canadians to transit this vast country of ours.

There is the issue, though of the electrical utilities having the capacity to produce so much more energy. It helps them some to have off-peak demand filled charging cars but when everybody is doing it, they will be hard pressed. We will need lots of new reactors to fuel our cars if we expect them to be "clean" emitters. Imagine burning coal to generate electricity for "green " vehicles. This will actually happen here and there on this planet.

 

[Hoid]

I like the idea of the plug-in hybrid, myself. Most day-to-day travel will be covered by the overnight charge but an on-board generator tops up the batteries when one exceeds the range of the overnight charge. It ain't sexy. It ain't "muscle car" but it drastically reduces emissions while still allowing us Canadians to transit this vast country of ours.

There is the issue, though of the electrical utilities having the capacity to produce so much more energy. It helps them some to have off-peak demand filled charging cars but when everybody is doing it, they will be hard pressed. We will need lots of new reactors to fuel our cars if we expect them to be "clean" emitters. Imagine burning coal to generate electricity for "green " vehicles. This will actually happen here and there on this planet.

in fact a Tesla will bury any muscle car that has ever been made.

the internal combustion engine is a joke.

 

[Curious Cdn]

in fact a Tesla will bury any muscle car that has ever been made.

the internal combustion engine is a joke.

The internal combustion engine evolved our species when there were far fewer of us around but we can't all continue using them in a world with ten billion people living in it.

 

[Danbones]

I like the idea of the plug-in hybrid, myself. Most day-to-day travel will be covered by the overnight charge but an on-board generator tops up the batteries when one exceeds the range of the overnight charge. It ain't sexy. It ain't "muscle car" but it drastically reduces emissions while still allowing us Canadians to transit this vast country of ours.

There is the issue, though of the electrical utilities having the capacity to produce so much more energy. It helps them some to have off-peak demand filled charging cars but when everybody is doing it, they will be hard pressed. We will need lots of new reactors to fuel our cars if we expect them to be "clean" emitters. Imagine burning coal to generate electricity for "green " vehicles. This will actually happen here and there on this planet.

Centralized emissions is not eliminated emissions

just ask FukUshima

The internal combustion engine evolved our species when there were far fewer of us around but we can't all continue using them in a world with ten billion people living in it.

Funny the whole fascistnazicommieglobalist world turned down Dyson's exhaust cleaners.
If a car has NO suspension cushioning yer largus butus, and rock hard tires, a car can get 300 miles to the gallon, but nooooeee...Disposing of the resultant particulate would have been too expensive, so you got the tainted exhaust scandals like VWs.

Some folks need their a$$es pampered with real pampers.

 

[Murphy]

What is the road tax per watt?

It's going to be "shocking" to use one of Wynne's favourite words.

No gasoline no diesel = no money for infrastructure.

Ontario drivers are covering most of the costs of road infrastructure, while those in the Toronto-Hamilton area are paying far more than their share, a new study has found.

The report released Thursday found Ontario road users driving cars, minivans, SUVs and light pickup trucks are paying 70 to 90 per cent of the costs of the road through fuel taxes, vehicle registration fees and tolls, to the tune of $7.5 billion a year

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/glo...-of-road-costs-study-reveals/article14901607/

In ON 14.7¢/litre is the rate.

Where is that going to come from for EVs?

They WILL get it one way or another.

https://retail.petro-canada.ca/en/fuelsavings/gas-taxes-canada.aspx

I think you'll see the Liberal govt tax anyone who purchased a solar system. They need to pay extra because they paid for their own hydro generation.

 

[captain morgan]

https://www.greencarreports.com/new...very-2015-2016-plug-in-car-with-specs-updated

My concerns about these cars are:

1. Not enough range for one charge,
2. Lack of charging stations, and
3. Price. Value for for what you get. US prices put them in the mid $30s to purchase.

I pulled this from the Net. For a CDN VW e-Golf. 201 km range on one charge. $36335 + prep and taxes. Most of the VW Golf line is cheaper than their e-model. The wall charger is an additional $1000 + tax. No mention of it being included in the sale price of the vehicle.

https://vwmodels.ca/2018/egolf/?

According to driving.ca, the Golf ranges in price from $19,195 to $40,095. People are apt to spend $25000 on a Golf, not $36,000 on an e-Golf. Call it Family Economics.

The stats quoted relative to range do not take into account the effects of load (ie multiple passengers), elevation changes on hill climbing (etc) or battery performance impacted by cold ambient temps.

Only those using their EV to transport themselves in warm summer conditions in/around the inner cities will realize anything close to the published ranges

 

[avro25]

The stats quoted relative to range do not take into account the effects of load (ie multiple passengers), elevation changes on hill climbing (etc) or battery performance impacted by cold ambient temps.

Only those using their EV to transport themselves in warm summer conditions in/around the inner cities will realize anything close to the published ranges

Guess that's why Walmart and loblaws have purchased Tesla trucks.

They're dumb.

 

[JamesBondo]

https://www.greencarreports.com/new...very-2015-2016-plug-in-car-with-specs-updated

My concerns about these cars are:

1. Not enough range for one charge,
2. Lack of charging stations, and
3. Price. Value for for what you get. s.

not much value offered. i hear the batteries will cost about 10k every 5-10years. My second vehicle tends to be a 5k vehicle every 5-10years. i guess those days are over.

 

[Murphy]

I think that big business thought everybody would jump on the "green" bandwagon, and hoped to turn a profit. People are only green if it costs them less.

 

[avro25]

I think that big business thought everybody would jump on the "green" bandwagon, and hoped to turn a profit. People are only green if it costs them less.

Is that why I buy free range eggs and chicken.

 

[Murphy]

Mr. Stronach used to say that people were stupid enough to buy anything, if they thought it would impress the neighbours.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Is that why I buy free range eggs and chicken.

Green ones?

I do not like them, Sam-I-Am.

 

[avro25]

A frogs car broke down and asked a toad what to do.

 

[captain morgan]

Guess that's why Walmart and loblaws have purchased Tesla trucks.

They're dumb.

.... And?

That doesn't change any of the facts I posted, but then again, any of those increases in costs will come directly out of your pocket.

 

[Curious Cdn]

.... And?

That doesn't change any of the facts I posted, but then again, any of those increases in costs will come directly out of your pocket.

Sorry, which oil company do you work for, again?

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Guess that's why Walmart and loblaws have purchased Tesla trucks.

They're dumb.

These trucks do not exist yet? Pretty big gamble unless they got a really good price.

But those companies have the land and the size and logistics to create the necessary charging stations and such to run those vehicles. They could add one at every loading dock and when truck pulls in, plug it in while unloading or loading. On that scale it could work. From a business perspective it probably hedges their costs of transportation. When the price of gas gets high due to a hurricane in Texas, they can control their transportation costs.

But for an everyday practical automobile, electric cars are years away from being an attractive alternative. I just bough a car and there was no real choice. I went with traditional for the following reasons:

• Cheaper even with subsidies
• No ability to charge in my apartment building
• Not having to worry about finding charging station while traveling
• Assurance if I run out of fuel, I can call roadside assistance and get some gas (no electrical roadside assistance yet)
• I don't trust batteries. It is the battery in my smartphone which will almost always fail first and every year or 2 a car battery will die. Pretty expensive part of an electric vehicle to replace every 2-3 years.

 

[petros]

Is that why I buy free range eggs and chicken.

What is a free range egg? Do they hire Mexicans to walk fields with nets to catch the free range eggs?

in fact a Tesla will bury any muscle car that has ever been made.

the internal combustion engine is a joke.

And yet a mildly tweeked 2017 F150 with an ecoboost six banger will walk all over it.

Watch a Tuned F-150 EcoBoost Beat a Hellcat, and Run a 12-Second Quarter-Mile