Boeing and Trump get royally screwed

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Federal government scraps plan to buy Boeing jets, turns to Australian military instead

The federal government will officially punish Boeing Co. for its trade dispute against Canada's Bombardier Inc., replacing the planned order of 18 new Boeing jets with the purchase of up to 30 second-hand fighters from the Australian military, sources said.

Government and industry sources said the Australia deal will be announced as early as next week, with the Royal Canadian Air Force needing 28 to 30 used F/A-18 fighter jets to meet its international commitments.

Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan has said Canada cannot meet all of its obligations to the North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD) and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) with its current fleet of CF-18s, arguing new fighter jets are needed before the entire fleet is replaced in the next decade.

"We are going to fill that interim capability gap," he told reporters on Tuesday. "I look forward to making the announcement at the appropriate time."

The government's decision to buy Australian fighter jets stands to increase tensions with Boeing, which has repeatedly warned that billions of dollars in business activity in Canada are at stake in the ongoing dispute.

Speaking to The Globe and Mail in September, Boeing International president Marc Allen said the federal government should not forget that Boeing does $4-billion a year of business in Canada, with 560 suppliers and an overall impact of 17,000 jobs.

"If Canada kicks Boeing out, I think that will be deeply unfortunate for us both. It would be a deeply unfortunate outcome," he said. "It has to be a two-way street, there has to be this mutually beneficial relationship for it to be one that grows, one that both sides are happy and excited about."

In addition, industry sources said it remains an open question whether Ottawa will be saving money by buying second-hand Australian jets that are nearly as old as Canada's CF-18s.

The U.S. Department of Defence said in September that the contract for the Super Hornets could be worth up to $6.4-billion.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...-australian-military-instead/article37218857/
 

Jinentonix

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Never happy are ya, so what’s your solution?
Uh, there's a few options to purchase new from Europe. What the f*ck is the sense in buying replacements that are almost as old as what's being replaced?

"Oh, we're purchasing interim fighters." Yeah? Interim til when? Apparently the F-35 is a no go for Canada and since nobody else except Russia and China are building next-gen fighters, Europe is the only solution if we don't want to be replacing the fleet with interim replacements that will be replaced by interim replacements etc, etc.

Shit or get off the pot. I mean holy f*cking Christ man, with all the money PM dicknuts has given away to foreign countries and UN pet projects, we could have bought a fleet of new Typhoons.
 

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Yeah, next year a box of drones will take out those fighters anyhow.

BTW, when those fighters are used to commit genocide like they were when Canada bombed Libya, you pretty much guarantee you will need to arm up against the blow back.

Even the best fighters in the world can't do squat when they are prevented on purpose like they were during 911.

Nice to see we are going to pass on the f35 turkey..how much will that cost us?
oh look:

The F-35 is now unaffordable thanks to the low Canadian dollar
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/mic...naffordable-thanks-to-the-low-canadian-dollar

So used junk from another low dollar country is all we can afford.
UN Truedoh! spent all his trump hating Canadian dollars on useless rainbowcrap world wide when we coulda been a contender.

...and MF is bragging about that?!!??!
geeez!
It's Canadians that got DOUBLE screwed here , not Trump and Not Boeing*.

also

In November 2014, the Department of National Defence (DND) released an update on the F-35 procurement that estimated the same total project cost as KPMG, namely $45.8 billion. It arrived at that number using an exchange rate of US$0.92.

Here’s the bottom line: the total cost of the F-35 program is now $49 billion — an increase of $3.2 billion from the projections provided by KPMG in 2012 and DND in 2014.
In its update, DND also acknowledged that changes in the exchange rate were a “major, uncontrollable risk to the program cost estimate.”

It went on to explain that an exchange rate of US$0.755 would raise the acquisition cost by approximately $1.7 billion and the sustainment cost by approximately $2.6 billion. Sustainment costs, incurred during major repairs and upgrades, are affected by the exchange rate because this work is conducted by the F-35’s manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, in the U.S.
(from the above link)

So, where does Boeing fit into this again? Lockheed makes the F35. Boeing is their competition.

Surprise! Lockheed Martin's "Expensive" F-35 Now Costs Less than a Boeing F/A-18

e last year, the then-president elect blasted Lockheed Martin (NYSE:LMT) for charging taxpayers a "tremendous cost" for its F-35 stealth fighter jet. At the time, Lockheed Martin's cheapest F-35 variant, the F-35A conventional takeoff-and-landing (CTOL) fighter jet, cost about $100 million each -- significantly more than fourth-generation fighter jets built by Boeing (NYSE:BA).

And so Trump tweeted that, if Lockheed Martin didn't move quickly to cut the cost of the F-35, he would "price-out a comparable F-18 Super Hornet" from Boeing (NYSE:BA) and buy that instead. (At the time, Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornets were selling for closer to $70 million, and a new Advanced Super Hornet was in the works that would eventually be priced at about $79 million.)

F-35 prices have been plummeting ever since.

Lockheed Martin's F-35 just got a huge price cut, and now looks cheaper than the alternative.

Give President Trump his due.
https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/07/16/surprise-lockheed-martins-expensive-f-35-now-costs.aspx

Jeeprs! Sorry to embarrass yo for your lack of understanding on this subject MF
:)
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It's just that seeing you brag while Canadians are getting screwed THREE times here is hard to watch, being I am a Canadian too.
 
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Uh, there's a few options to purchase new from Europe. What the f*ck is the sense in buying replacements that are almost as old as what's being replaced?

"Oh, we're purchasing interim fighters." Yeah? Interim til when? Apparently the F-35 is a no go for Canada and since nobody else except Russia and China are building next-gen fighters, Europe is the only solution if we don't want to be replacing the fleet with interim replacements that will be replaced by interim replacements etc, etc.

Shit or get off the pot. I mean holy f*cking Christ man, with all the money PM dicknuts has given away to foreign countries and UN pet projects, we could have bought a fleet of new Typhoons.

Why buy "new" interim aircraft? They are a temporary fix/fill in the lineup until the platinum-plated F-35s finally fly. It sounds like a waste of money to build new ones, to me.
 

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The key word is "used" - I'm sure that's work just fine, just like the submarines we bought "used" - how's that working out?


sigh....
 

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The key word is "used" - I'm sure that's work just fine, just like the submarines we bought "used" - how's that working out?


sigh....

Considering we don't need any of this shit to begin with, I'd say it's going just fine.
 

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Uh, there's a few options to purchase new from Europe. What the f*ck is the sense in buying replacements that are almost as old as what's being replaced?

"Oh, we're purchasing interim fighters." Yeah? Interim til when? Apparently the F-35 is a no go for Canada and since nobody else except Russia and China are building next-gen fighters, Europe is the only solution if we don't want to be replacing the fleet with interim replacements that will be replaced by interim replacements etc, etc.

Shit or get off the pot. I mean holy f*cking Christ man, with all the money PM dicknuts has given away to foreign countries and UN pet projects, we could have bought a fleet of new Typhoons.

I'm sure part of the calculation is the infrastructure costs involved in switching from one plane to another.
 

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I'm sure part of the calculation is the infrastructure costs involved in switching from one plane to another.
Nah, it's because the CF-18 parts facility is in Quebec. Surprise, surprise. Besides, if we could get the same arrangement with the consortium that makes the Typhoon, all that would need done is to retool the two facilities we have here.

That's a little over jinentonix's head
Says the moron who couldn't find his own hand in a glove.
 

petros

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Screwing Boeing by buying jets that aren't capable of combat?

Boeing will make a killing on parts to keep them in the air.

The Aussies are selling their garbage.
 

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What I don't understand is that Canada developed the The Avro Canada CF-105.. why can't we build our own God Dam Jets?

"We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better than he was. Better, stronger, faster."