What are the chances Alberta will get a new pipeline?
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The comment was that the Feds had bought Alberta its own sea port in PR - and then someone said no, Alberta had bought it themselves.
That had to do with the Northern Gateway I am assuming - which was for bitumen.
As far as Burnaby goes they csan only refine 55,000bbl a day anyway. The current pipeline if punping 300K bbl a day and the expansion would bring it to 890K bbl a day.
890K bbl/day into a place with 55K bbl/day refining capacity?
Come on.
Alberta wants to move crude through Burnaby to China.
That had to do with the Northern Gateway I am assuming - which was for bitumen.
As far as Burnaby goes they csan only refine 55,000bbl a day anyway. The current pipeline if punping 300K bbl a day and the expansion would bring it to 890K bbl a day.
890K bbl/day into a place with 55K bbl/day refining capacity?
Come on.
Alberta wants to move crude through Burnaby to China.
Your reasoning was always flawed, now you've just reached a new low...................TWIT!
It's 6 provinces and territories not just Alberta and BC is one of them.
BC prairies are producing oil.
BC prairies are producing oil.
Bingo!
Example:
HARDISTY TERMINAL, ALBERTA, CANADA
Our Hardisty terminal, which commenced operations in June 2014, is an origination terminal where we load various grades of Canadian crude oil received from the Western Canada Sedimentary Basin onto railcars for transportation to end markets. Hardisty is one of the major crude oil hubs in North America and is an origination point for export pipelines to the United States.
Example:
HARDISTY TERMINAL, ALBERTA, CANADA
Our Hardisty terminal, which commenced operations in June 2014, is an origination terminal where we load various grades of Canadian crude oil received from the Western Canada Sedimentary Basin onto railcars for transportation to end markets. Hardisty is one of the major crude oil hubs in North America and is an origination point for export pipelines to the United States.
The pipelines carry refined products and crude to Burnaby. Now there will be no need for gasoline to be trucked up from Everett.
Yup. No more tankers from Newfoundland or Alaska and gasoline from Everett. Burnaby will have enough oil and refined product distributed in Kamloops, Burnaby and Puget Sound.
Kamloops Terminal
Refined products from Edmonton are routed to Kamloops for local distribution. Kamloops is also a receiving site for products from northeastern British Columbia that are bound for the west coast. The facility contains two storage tanks with a shell capacity of 160,000 barrels (25,000 m³).
Sumas Pump Station and Terminal
The Sumas pump station and the Sumas terminal are located in Abbotsford, British Columbia. Both facilities route crude oil from the TMPL mainline into Washington State via KMC’s Puget Sound pipeline system. The terminal contains six storage tanks and can handle volumes of approximately 715,000 barrels (114,000 m³).
Burnaby Terminal
The Burnaby terminal is the terminus of the TMPL mainline. It receives both crude oil and refined products for temporary storage and distribution through separate pipelines to local terminals, a refinery and the Westridge marine terminal. The Burnaby terminal has 13 storage tanks and can handle volumes of approximately 1.685 million barrels (268,000 m³).
https://www.kindermorgan.com/business/canada/transmountain.aspx
There are two refineries in Burnaby.
Kamloops Terminal
Refined products from Edmonton are routed to Kamloops for local distribution. Kamloops is also a receiving site for products from northeastern British Columbia that are bound for the west coast. The facility contains two storage tanks with a shell capacity of 160,000 barrels (25,000 m³).
Sumas Pump Station and Terminal
The Sumas pump station and the Sumas terminal are located in Abbotsford, British Columbia. Both facilities route crude oil from the TMPL mainline into Washington State via KMC’s Puget Sound pipeline system. The terminal contains six storage tanks and can handle volumes of approximately 715,000 barrels (114,000 m³).
Burnaby Terminal
The Burnaby terminal is the terminus of the TMPL mainline. It receives both crude oil and refined products for temporary storage and distribution through separate pipelines to local terminals, a refinery and the Westridge marine terminal. The Burnaby terminal has 13 storage tanks and can handle volumes of approximately 1.685 million barrels (268,000 m³).
https://www.kindermorgan.com/business/canada/transmountain.aspx
There are two refineries in Burnaby.
So here is the story - Vancouver (let's be honest all BCers understand that Vancouver and the Lower Mainland are the only thing that matters) needs lots and lots of gasoline.
They have always needed lots of gasoline, and they always will.
That's why they used to have 5 refinery's and more supply than they could ever use.
Then came the trans mountain pipeline and suddenly Alberta oil and gas could be pumped in and there was no need to refine anymore.
But now somehow the whole system is screwed up and gas is always scarce and expensive.
So the fix is to make the pipeline bigger and bring in more gasoline. Not oil. The 55K bbls a day that Burnaby refines is nowhere near enough gas.
So the fix is to sell gas to Vancouver and sell oil to China.
They have always needed lots of gasoline, and they always will.
That's why they used to have 5 refinery's and more supply than they could ever use.
Then came the trans mountain pipeline and suddenly Alberta oil and gas could be pumped in and there was no need to refine anymore.
But now somehow the whole system is screwed up and gas is always scarce and expensive.
So the fix is to make the pipeline bigger and bring in more gasoline. Not oil. The 55K bbls a day that Burnaby refines is nowhere near enough gas.
So the fix is to sell gas to Vancouver and sell oil to China.
Tankers fill up with crude at Kinder Morgan's Westridge Marine Terminal. About 27 per cent of the Trans Mountain 300,000 daily barrels of oil goes out over the dock, which is roughly 81,000 barrels of oil per day on average.
For every 10 tankers that leave Westridge, eight go to California, one goes to the Gulf Coast and one goes to China, although Asian exports are expected to increase with rising demand for Canadian crude abroad.
CHEVRON
Of the four Burrard Inlet area refineries, Chevron's is the only one that is still operating as a refinery - the rest are now distribution terminals.
Chevron gets its crude from Alberta via the Kinder Morgan pipeline and makes 50,000 to 55,000 barrels of jet fuel, diesel, gasoline, asphalts, heating fuels, heavy fuel oils, butanes and propane each day. About half of that is shipped via Chevron's marine loading wharf. The refinery supplies 25 to 30 per cent of the province's gasoline, 25 per cent of the commercial diesel and 40 per cent of the jet fuel used at the Vancouver International Airport.
SUNCOR
Suncor runs Burrard Products Terminal, which was a refinery until 1993. The terminal straddles the Burnaby-Port Coquitlam border, on the south side of Burrard Inlet. Most of the facility's petroleum products are from the Alberta oil sands and arrive already refined via the Kinder Morgan pipeline.
Suncor distributes the products on land (by train and truck) and on water via barges. Most of their products are for domestic use.
SHELL
Shell used to run a refinery in North Burnaby until 1993, but now the site is a distribution terminal at the end of Kensington Avenue. (Western Canada Marine Response Corporation leases a building onsite to run its operations.)
The Shellburn Distribution Terminal has a dock where two to three vessels arrive per week; they are mostly barges dropping off product.
Shellburn gets its petroleum products already refined - via rail, barge or ship - but does not use the Kinder Morgan pipeline. The products come from the U.S. and Alberta.
Barges can also load up with products, like diesel, jet fuel and gasoline. Most of their products are for the Lower Mainland market, but they cater to some overseas customers as well.
IOCO
Ioco (short for Imperial Oil Company) has a distribution terminal in Port Moody, on the North side of the Burrard Inlet.
The terminal, which was a refinery until 1995, stores bulk petroleum products that are distributed via truck and on a marine loading terminal.
The main products are marine bunker fuel, marine diesel, asphalt and bulk lubricants.
Almost all of Ioco's products arrive via railcar and are stored in tanks before being loaded on trucks or barges.
A spokesperson for Imperial Oil, also known as Esso, said the terminal serves "Metro Vancouver and beyond" but declined to provide information on where the petroleum comes from.
For every 10 tankers that leave Westridge, eight go to California, one goes to the Gulf Coast and one goes to China, although Asian exports are expected to increase with rising demand for Canadian crude abroad.
CHEVRON
Of the four Burrard Inlet area refineries, Chevron's is the only one that is still operating as a refinery - the rest are now distribution terminals.
Chevron gets its crude from Alberta via the Kinder Morgan pipeline and makes 50,000 to 55,000 barrels of jet fuel, diesel, gasoline, asphalts, heating fuels, heavy fuel oils, butanes and propane each day. About half of that is shipped via Chevron's marine loading wharf. The refinery supplies 25 to 30 per cent of the province's gasoline, 25 per cent of the commercial diesel and 40 per cent of the jet fuel used at the Vancouver International Airport.
SUNCOR
Suncor runs Burrard Products Terminal, which was a refinery until 1993. The terminal straddles the Burnaby-Port Coquitlam border, on the south side of Burrard Inlet. Most of the facility's petroleum products are from the Alberta oil sands and arrive already refined via the Kinder Morgan pipeline.
Suncor distributes the products on land (by train and truck) and on water via barges. Most of their products are for domestic use.
SHELL
Shell used to run a refinery in North Burnaby until 1993, but now the site is a distribution terminal at the end of Kensington Avenue. (Western Canada Marine Response Corporation leases a building onsite to run its operations.)
The Shellburn Distribution Terminal has a dock where two to three vessels arrive per week; they are mostly barges dropping off product.
Shellburn gets its petroleum products already refined - via rail, barge or ship - but does not use the Kinder Morgan pipeline. The products come from the U.S. and Alberta.
Barges can also load up with products, like diesel, jet fuel and gasoline. Most of their products are for the Lower Mainland market, but they cater to some overseas customers as well.
IOCO
Ioco (short for Imperial Oil Company) has a distribution terminal in Port Moody, on the North side of the Burrard Inlet.
The terminal, which was a refinery until 1995, stores bulk petroleum products that are distributed via truck and on a marine loading terminal.
The main products are marine bunker fuel, marine diesel, asphalt and bulk lubricants.
Almost all of Ioco's products arrive via railcar and are stored in tanks before being loaded on trucks or barges.
A spokesperson for Imperial Oil, also known as Esso, said the terminal serves "Metro Vancouver and beyond" but declined to provide information on where the petroleum comes from.