What are the chances Alberta will get a new pipeline?

[JamesBondo]

Which ones are they ? We are importing more and more people every year building more housing and business , will the Tumbler Ridge wind farm support this growth and the addition of millions of electric cars ?


10 cents for hydro as well .

Fukk that. A wind turbine can cost $500,000 to install, and might only produce $30,000 worth of energy. It's a losing proposition unless the government steals money from a tax payer and gives the money away to the wind farm. Even then, it is a bad investment.

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0622/renewable-energy-wind-power-make-profit.html#216b3c8b7408

A windmill doesn't make economic sense, even though this poor entrepreneur is gouged 19 cents per kilowatt-hour from his utility. A 121-foot, 100-kilowatt turbine from Northern Power runs $500,000, installed. The air at Driscoll's site on Long Island Sound is so still that the average output would come to only 18% of peak output, meaning that the juice would be worth $30,000 a year.

 

[Hoid]

the alternatives to site C are not just alternative sources they are also alternatives hydro electric projects.

the run of the river powerplants are smaller - less damaging - and spread the jobs everywhere in BC rather than just concentrating them in one massive sink hole.

In every way better except not as fun for BC Hydro to build.

the Site C was a political decision made in order to try and make Christy Clarkes pie in the sky LNG promises come true.

Remember she was going to pay off all of BC public debt with LNG money from the Peace?

Then someone invented fracking and suddenly natural gas was next to worthless.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

the alternatives to site C are not just alternative sources they are also alternatives hydro electric projects.

the run of the river powerplants are smaller - less damaging - and spread the jobs everywhere in BC rather than just concentrating them in one massive sink hole.

In every way better except not as fun for BC Hydro to build.

the Site C was a political decision made in order to try and make Christy Clarkes pie in the sky LNG promises come true.

Remember she was going to pay off all of BC public debt with LNG money from the Peace?

Then someone invented fracking and suddenly natural gas was next to worthless.

Sounds like the classic definition of "elephant:" a mouse designed by a committee.

 

[Hoid]

The Mega Project is something a bureaucracy will always strive for as a matter of self interest.

 

[pgs]

They are the ones that they reviewed 10 years ago and lied about then. 10 years ago they were less expensive and far less damaging.

Today, after BC Hydro and the BC Liberals falsified the inquiry findings and started the Site C without permission and spent over $2 billion dollars on it - the alternative sources remain just as cost effective.

That's how ****ing bad the Site C is.

A $2 billion head start and its still worse.

So in other words we will not have the available electricity to power all these new households , business and electric vehicles . I guess we can always curtail immigration for a start .

 

[Hoid]

Why?

Because only the Site C can provide it?

It was compared to other options and was not as good. Is there something wrong with taking a better option?

 

[TenPenny]

Unfortunately, you are correct. Ottawa lacks the insight to follow up with a transcanada energy corridor to compliment their transcanada railway, and highway.

Instead they give us a transcanada hiking trail. Don't get me wrong, I love the hiking trail but it doesn't create an infrastructure where Canadian's can help Canadians.

If the tankers stop comin or are delayed, we become an oil rich country that never invested in itself. In 2015, this happened. Gas stations across n9va Scotia were sold out of gasoline. City transit was not a solution, they could not handle the commuter demand on the 4th day of shortages. A longer term shortage would be a disaster for working Canadians.

Crude oil doesn't really have anything to do with your 2015 shortage. You can blame Imperial Oil, nobody else:


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The story of the outage is a relatively simple one: nearly all of the fuel sold in Nova Scotia arrives at either Imperial Oil’s Dartmouth or Sydney marine terminals. At the Dartmouth terminal refined product is landed at one of its two docks by between 50 and 60 tankers a year. In August one tanker arrived more than a week late and then its cargo and the cargo in a replacement tanker were determined to be “off spec” (i.e. didn’t meet specifications for RUL) and required treatment."




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[Hoid]

In summtry - expanding the Kinder Morgan pipeline is good for Kinder Morgan/ oil companies/Alberta government/Federal governments.

It will do nothing for BC

Thanks but no thanks

 

[petros]

It solves BCs supply shortages, gets BC oil to refineries,exported and jobs galore.

 

[Hoid]

It does none of those things.

 

[petros]

Oh yeah I forgot you don't read.

 

[Hoid]

Oh I forgot you are still lying.

 

[petros]

Yup. No more tankers from Newfoundland or Alaska and gasoline from Everett. Burnaby will have enough oil and refined product distributed in Kamloops, Burnaby and Puget Sound.

Kamloops Terminal

Refined products from Edmonton are routed to Kamloops for local distribution. Kamloops is also a receiving site for products from northeastern British Columbia that are bound for the west coast. The facility contains two storage tanks with a shell capacity of 160,000 barrels (25,000 m³).

Sumas Pump Station and Terminal

The Sumas pump station and the Sumas terminal are located in Abbotsford, British Columbia. Both facilities route crude oil from the TMPL mainline into Washington State via KMC’s Puget Sound pipeline system. The terminal contains six storage tanks and can handle volumes of approximately 715,000 barrels (114,000 m³).

Burnaby Terminal

The Burnaby terminal is the terminus of the TMPL mainline. It receives both crude oil and refined products for temporary storage and distribution through separate pipelines to local terminals, a refinery and the Westridge marine terminal. The Burnaby terminal has 13 storage tanks and can handle volumes of approximately 1.685 million barrels (268,000 m³).

https://www.kindermorgan.com/business/canada/transmountain.aspx.

Read ^

 

[Hoid]

Kamloops has no refinery

 

[petros]

Read for f-ck sakes.

 

[Hoid]

There is only one refinery in BC that can access oil from the pipeline and thats Burnaby

Burnaby already runs at 100% capacity.

There is no oil supply problem there is a refining problem.

Stop being such a liar.

 

[petros]

Refined products from Edmonton are routed to Kamloops for local distribution. Kamloops is also a receiving site for products from northeastern British Columbia that are bound for the west coast.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Refined products from Edmonton are routed to Kamloops for local distribution. Kamloops is also a receiving site for products from northeastern British Columbia that are bound for the west coast.

Nothing in there about a refinery.

 

[Hoid]

You can use any font you want it doesn't make importing Alberta gas into BC any more of solution.

 

[petros]

Edmonton has refineries and pipes refined product from the refineries.