Half of Canadians Want Refugees Deported

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Uhm, no. In point of fact, most of those who came to Canada did not 'immigrate' they simply moved from one part of the empire to another. This was true for all the English speaking people, at any rate. They never lost their British citizenship and never gained any other kind until 1910, when the British citizenship act first declared there was such a creature. However, they were still British citizens until the 1947 citizenship act.



No, they don't. They still have to qualify as citizens, and even after they do, they're only citizens in name, not necessarily in spirit or culture or values.



Why should we take in all the world's poor and unwashed? How does this help us?
There was a time when our ancestors came here true, but they didn't get a welfare card or put up in a hotel or a house by the government when they arrived. They weren't given food or clothing nor health care. They came, they worked, or they died and went home. That is simply not the case today so there is no honest comparison to be made.

Yes but under our current communist ideology bringing in poor people is the right thing to do.
Everything is different from a different ideological perspective.
 

bluebyrd35

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Uhm, no. In point of fact, most of those who came to Canada did not 'immigrate' they simply moved from one part of the empire to another. This was true for all the English speaking people, at any rate. They never lost their British citizenship and never gained any other kind until 1910, when the British citizenship act first declared there was such a creature. However, they were still British citizens until the 1947 citizenship act.



No, they don't. They still have to qualify as citizens, and even after they do, they're only citizens in name, not necessarily in spirit or culture or values.



Why should we take in all the world's poor and unwashed? How does this help us?
There was a time when our ancestors came here true, but they didn't get a welfare card or put up in a hotel or a house by the government when they arrived. They weren't given food or clothing nor health care. They came, they worked, or they died and went home. That is simply not the case today so there is no honest comparison to be made.
LOL True but the British nor the French or the Spanish for that matter, did not move from one empire to another..... For goodness sake they simply took the land!! Made bad treaties and then things really went down hill for those whose country it originally was. Time to share like the Indians and Inuit did, however reluctantly.

Of course the refugees and immigrants have to qualify and most do before the arrive here. Yes some do arrive here & are in dire straits.....Exactly what do you think our Immigration Department is doing? They PROCESS all. Do you feel they should be lined up along the border and shooting them down as they cross the border?

One other thing ...no matter which moral code one follows it is proven that "How one treats others is how one is treated and that goes for countries as well.

Yes but under our current communist ideology bringing in poor people is the right thing to do.
Everything is different from a different ideological perspective.
The difference between Communistic and Socialistic states.....The first, is dictatorship the population doesn't get a vote nor a say. in the latter one gets a vote and a say. It is the majority vote that is supposed to count and if it doesn't, they get kicked out!
 
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JLM

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Immigrants and refugees should only be allowed in AFTER all our own citizens have reached a satisfactory standard of living. Do you feed the neighbour's kids while your own are starving to death? It's not rocket science, just common sense!
 

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Immigrants and refugees should only be allowed in AFTER all our own citizens have reached a satisfactory standard of living. Do you feed the neighbour's kids while your own are starving to death? It's not rocket science, just common sense!
Why?? Where did you get the impression that every homeless person wants a home? Some are mentally ill and help is available but many do not want help!! Do you really live in Canada? Some people are paranoid or Schizophrenic and under our laws cannot be confined against their will for any length of time. So we cannot force help on them against their will by law. Have you personally ever come across a starving child, person. On hot summer days, we used to get those who walked the countryside and would ask for water or a sandwich.

Not quite the same thing as watching your child die of starvation like they do in other parts of the world, On the global scale, Canada is rich in all the ways it counts, Sharing such things are never forgotten by those truly in need.
 

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Why?? Where did you get the impression that every homeless person wants a home? Some are mentally ill and help is available but many do not want help!! Do you really live in Canada? Some people are paranoid or Schizophrenic and under our laws cannot be confined against their will for any length of time. So we cannot force help on them against their will by law. Have you personally ever come across a starving child, person. On hot summer days, we used to get those who walked the countryside and would ask for water or a sandwich.

Not quite the same thing as watching your child die of starvation like they do in other parts of the world, On the global scale, Canada is rich in all the ways it counts, Sharing such things are never forgotten by those truly in need.
How many is enough ?
 

JLM

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Why?? Where did you get the impression that every homeless person wants a home? Some are mentally ill and help is available but many do not want help!! Do you really live in Canada? Some people are paranoid or Schizophrenic and under our laws cannot be confined against their will for any length of time. So we cannot force help on them against their will by law. Have you personally ever come across a starving child, person. On hot summer days, we used to get those who walked the countryside and would ask for water or a sandwich.

Not quite the same thing as watching your child die of starvation like they do in other parts of the world, On the global scale, Canada is rich in all the ways it counts, Sharing such things are never forgotten by those truly in need.


90% are "rich", let's get the other 10% up to snuff! Have you gone to every down & outer to see if they need help or not? Would you let an insane person die of starvation or exposure just because he hasn't got the mental faculties to understand his condition?
 

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Immigrants and refugees should only be allowed in AFTER all our own citizens have reached a satisfactory standard of living. Do you feed the neighbour's kids while your own are starving to death? It's not rocket science, just common sense!

Canadians aren't hurting or starving to death. Stop being such a drama queen you silly twit.
 

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LOL True but the British nor the French or the Spanish for that matter, did not move from one empire to another..... For goodness sake they simply took the land!! Made bad treaties and then things really went down hill for those whose country it originally was. Time to share like the Indians and Inuit did, however reluctantly.

There was no country here, no countries. There were assorted savages who had not yet discovered the wheel, lived a desperate, hand to mouth existence when they weren't warring on each other, and had an average lifespan of about 30.

And you know what? If the Europeans hadn't arrived that's basically all they'd be doing now because they lacked the knowledge and the things like beasts of burden which might have raised them up.

Besides, EVERYONE went EVERYWHERE and took it by force of arms. That is the history of the planet from Asia to Central America.

One other thing ...no matter which moral code one follows it is proven that "How one treats others is how one is treated and that goes for countries as well.
I am under no obligation to take in every foreign barbarian who wants to come here and live a life of ease on welfare. If you're feeling so tender hearted send your money overseas. There are a variety of charities which will be glad to take it.
 

JLM

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They don't want to lose their cushy jobs. 7 countries going into the hole is not proof we are doing great, it means we are crumbling at a slower rate.


I think we should grab the "positives" where we can. I don't necessarily credit the politicians for it. It probably has more to do with the way the industry is performing or if it is partially attributable to politics it's likely due to the leg work done by non political bureaucraps.

There was no country here, no countries. There were assorted savages who had not yet discovered the wheel, lived a desperate, hand to mouth existence when they weren't warring on each other, and had an average lifespan of about 30.


And what was the lifespan of Europeans while the aboriginals here were living until 30? Perhaps you have a pretty simplistic understanding of the history of the aboriginals. Did you hear about the Eskimo who was given a broken watch to repair who had never seen a watch before? You gotta think before you speak. :) :)


Some reading up on the Incas might enhance your understanding too. :)
 

JLM

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Why?? Where did you get the impression that every homeless person wants a home? Some are mentally ill and help is available but many do not want help!! Do you really live in Canada? Some people are paranoid or Schizophrenic and under our laws cannot be confined against their will for any length of time. So we cannot force help on them against their will by law. Have you personally ever come across a starving child, person. On hot summer days, we used to get those who walked the countryside and would ask for water or a sandwich.

Not quite the same thing as watching your child die of starvation like they do in other parts of the world, On the global scale, Canada is rich in all the ways it counts, Sharing such things are never forgotten by those truly in need.


Your argument is a little flimsy there, BB. What they want or don't want is not necessarily a valid argument. What does a 3 month old baby WANT? What does a 6 year old child WANT. What does a 12 year old youth WANT? In this country if a person is 19 years old and of sound mind, then he/she has every right to what they want as long as it's legal and doesn't interfere with anyone else. Where the 19 year old has custody of younger people his/her wants might be in question! :) :) Get used to it.
 

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A 3 month old or a 6 year old or even a 12 year old refugee need love, food and safety, which the government alone cannot really give. Ergo it may be a single parent or the older sibling or relatives that in most cases take on the responsibility of their care. Unlike some Canadians they often do their best even at 19 years of age to support those depending on them. The social system here takes those minor children into care now and do not put them in mental institutions in Canada any more. They used to. Even husbands could commit wives and vise versa at one time. Now there is a review every so many weeks or so to make sure they are where they should be, The law changed that and not all that long ago!!

I am used to the situation but you, it seems are not. I feel that an adult should have the choice to seek help or not!! So don't use the looking after those who do not take advantage of the help available out there as an excuse to not help those who want it. You know, those legitimate refugees that need it. Our Immigration department is doing it's job.

https://protecteurducitoyen.qc.ca/sites/default/files/pdf/rapports_annuels/2006-07/en/AR_0607_34.pdf
 

JLM

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A 3 month old or a 6 year old or even a 12 year old refugee need love, food and safety, which the government alone cannot really give. Ergo it may be a single parent or the older sibling or relatives that in most cases take on the responsibility of their care. Unlike some Canadians they often do their best even at 19 years of age to support those depending on them. The social system here takes those minor children into care now and do not put them in mental institutions in Canada any more. They used to. Even husbands could commit wives and vise versa at one time. Now there is a review every so many weeks or so to make sure they are where they should be, The law changed that and not all that long ago!!

I am used to the situation but you, it seems are not. I feel that an adult should have the choice to seek help or not!! So don't use the looking after those who do not take advantage of the help available out there as an excuse to not help those who want it. You know, those legitimate refugees that need it. Our Immigration department is doing it's job.

https://protecteurducitoyen.qc.ca/sites/default/files/pdf/rapports_annuels/2006-07/en/AR_0607_34.pdf


I think you are complicating things, B.B. Perhaps the whole situation can be covered by the old adage................."Charity begins at Home".
 

Vbeacher

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And what was the lifespan of Europeans while the aboriginals here were living until 30? Perhaps you have a pretty simplistic understanding of the history of the aboriginals. Did you hear about the Eskimo who was given a broken watch to repair who had never seen a watch before? You gotta think before you speak. :) :)

Did you hear about the Eskimo who invented a watch? No, because nobody over here had any concept of time.


Some reading up on the Incas might enhance your understanding too. :)
The Incas practiced human sacrifice, mostly on children, and they had no beasts of burden and hadn't invented the wheel either. Even the bloody Spanish were able to mop up the floor with them. And nobody ever described the Spanish as great warriors.

That's what all the racists say

That's what all the morons say.
 

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If you want to help people, the best way is to help them in their own countries.

Having them come here to be helped is not the way to go, they just cause everybody else hardship
 

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I want them to shovel snow.

If you want to help people, the best way is to help them in their own countries.

Having them come here to be helped is not the way to go, they just cause everybody else hardship

But you supported the bombing of Syria And Lybia, where did you want the survivors to go?