How much effort is going into identifying and arresting prolific murderer(s)?

DaSleeper

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I'm putting you on notice I'm going to report this post for abuse. I'm just kind of curious as to where that would go. So if you find yourself falling through cyber space you'll know it was me. :) :) :)
Don't worry JLM....
He just frustrated cause I won't stoop to interacting with him, except to verbally bitch slap him once in a while then watch him jump up and down and bark like a frustrated chihuahua!
I'm his worst nightmare because I won't stoop to playing with him!
 

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I'm putting you on notice I'm going to report this post for abuse. I'm just kind of curious as to where that would go. So if you find yourself falling through cyber space you'll know it was me. :) :) :)

Sniff

*Hugs*

Better?
 

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I'm putting you on notice I'm going to report this post for abuse. I'm just kind of curious as to where that would go. So if you find yourself falling through cyber space you'll know it was me. :) :) :)
His/her posts definitely belong in the Off Topic thread.....
 

Cannuck

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It means "I'm an idiot"

I'm putting you on notice I'm going to report this post for abuse. I'm just kind of curious as to where that would go. So if you find yourself falling through cyber space you'll know it was me. :) :) :)
 

petros

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Will the report look like this?
  1. No
  2. No
  3. No
  4. Yes
  5. No

The only thing close to anything trestle related was the Reena Virk murder in 97.
 

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Back on topic...........In Canada the majority of deaths seem to be the unfortunates who have had a troubled life from the beginning. I suppose their use of these drugs is because they have generally given up on life. I have read recently of some significant captures around the world of Fentanal and most fingers point to China as the culprit. But then again Fentanal is a legal drug used not only for animals but humans in severe pain such as some cancers so controlling those drugs from the makers is an issue..........


The truth about the US ‘opioid crisis’ – prescriptions aren’t the problem ** The overdose epidemic is unmistakable. But it’s driven by illicit use of drugs. If moral panic results in more patients in pain, that would be a disaster ** by Marc Lewis ** Tuesday 7 November 2017 ** The Guardian

The news media is awash with hysteria about the opioid crisis (or opioid epidemic). But what exactly are we talking about? If you Google “opioid crisis”, nine times out of 10 the first paragraph of whatever you’re reading will report on death rates. That’s right, the overdose crisis.

For example, the lead article on the “opioid crisis” on the US National Institutes of Health website begins with this sentence: “Every day, more than 90 Americans die after overdosing on opioids.”

Is the opioid crisis the same as the overdose crisis? No. One has to do with addiction rates, the other with death rates. And addiction rates aren’t rising much, if at all, except perhaps among middle-class whites. Let’s look a bit deeper.

The overdose crisis is unmistakable. I reported on some of the statistics and causes in the Guardian last July. I think the most striking fact is that drug overdose is the leading cause of death for Americans under 50. Some people swallow, or (more often) inject, more opioids than their body can handle, which causes the breathing reflex to shut down. But drug overdoses that include opioids (about 63%) are most often caused by a combination of drugs (or drugs and alcohol) and most often include illegal drugs (eg heroin). When prescription drugs are involved, methadone and oxycontin are at the top of the list, and these drugs are notoriously acquired and used illicitly.


Addiction is not caused by drug availability. The abundant availability of alcohol doesn’t turn us all into alcoholics. No, addiction is caused by psychological (and economic) suffering, especially in childhood and adolescence (eg abuse, neglect, and other traumatic experiences), as revealed by massive correlations between adverse childhood experiences and later substance use. The US is at or near the bottom of the developed world in its record on child welfare and child poverty. No wonder there’s an addiction problem. And how easy it is to blame doctors for causing it.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/07/truth-us-opioid-crisis-too-easy-blame-doctors-not-prescriptions

" In June, 2016 the RCMP seized one kilogram of carfentanil shipped from China in a box labelled "printer accessories". According to the Canada Border Services Agency, the shipment contained 50 million lethal doses of the drug, more than enough to wipe out the entire population of the country."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carfentanil
 

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Back on topic...........In Canada the majority of deaths seem to be the unfortunates who have had a troubled life from the beginning. I suppose their use of these drugs is because they have generally given up on life. I have read recently of some significant captures around the world of Fentanal and most fingers point to China as the culprit. But then again Fentanal is a legal drug used not only for animals but humans in severe pain such as some cancers so controlling those drugs from the makers is an issue..........


The truth about the US ‘opioid crisis’ – prescriptions aren’t the problem ** The overdose epidemic is unmistakable. But it’s driven by illicit use of drugs. If moral panic results in more patients in pain, that would be a disaster ** by Marc Lewis ** Tuesday 7 November 2017 ** The Guardian

The news media is awash with hysteria about the opioid crisis (or opioid epidemic). But what exactly are we talking about? If you Google “opioid crisis”, nine times out of 10 the first paragraph of whatever you’re reading will report on death rates. That’s right, the overdose crisis.

For example, the lead article on the “opioid crisis” on the US National Institutes of Health website begins with this sentence: “Every day, more than 90 Americans die after overdosing on opioids.”

Is the opioid crisis the same as the overdose crisis? No. One has to do with addiction rates, the other with death rates. And addiction rates aren’t rising much, if at all, except perhaps among middle-class whites. Let’s look a bit deeper.

The overdose crisis is unmistakable. I reported on some of the statistics and causes in the Guardian last July. I think the most striking fact is that drug overdose is the leading cause of death for Americans under 50. Some people swallow, or (more often) inject, more opioids than their body can handle, which causes the breathing reflex to shut down. But drug overdoses that include opioids (about 63%) are most often caused by a combination of drugs (or drugs and alcohol) and most often include illegal drugs (eg heroin). When prescription drugs are involved, methadone and oxycontin are at the top of the list, and these drugs are notoriously acquired and used illicitly.


Addiction is not caused by drug availability. The abundant availability of alcohol doesn’t turn us all into alcoholics. No, addiction is caused by psychological (and economic) suffering, especially in childhood and adolescence (eg abuse, neglect, and other traumatic experiences), as revealed by massive correlations between adverse childhood experiences and later substance use. The US is at or near the bottom of the developed world in its record on child welfare and child poverty. No wonder there’s an addiction problem. And how easy it is to blame doctors for causing it.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/07/truth-us-opioid-crisis-too-easy-blame-doctors-not-prescriptions

" In June, 2016 the RCMP seized one kilogram of carfentanil shipped from China in a box labelled "printer accessories". According to the Canada Border Services Agency, the shipment contained 50 million lethal doses of the drug, more than enough to wipe out the entire population of the country."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carfentanil


I'll tell you a little secret...............................there's addicts who have never used what they are addicted to! :)
 

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I'll tell you a little secret...............................there's addicts who have never used what they are addicted to! :)
You'll have to explain that. I've never used heroin so I can't be considered a heroin addict......
 

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I'll tell you a little secret...............................there's addicts who have never used what they are addicted to! :)



If you never use something, how can you be addicted to it? If you're addicted to it, but never use it, you're not addicted to it.
 

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You'll have to explain that. I've never used heroin so I can't be considered a heroin addict......


Well I am taking a little "poetic license", but it goes back to the contention by some people that alcoholics are born & not made and what I've seen in some people who don't normally drink but when they do go completely haywire which I guess comes from having an intolerance for it. Now I may be criticised for this but I'm just extrapolating that to include any type of mind altering material, so if you do criticize me I won't be offended. Maybe I'm wrong and it works differently with dope.
 

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Well I am taking a little "poetic license", but it goes back to the contention by some people that alcoholics are born & not made and what I've seen in some people who don't normally drink but when they do go completely haywire which I guess comes from having an intolerance for it. Now I may be criticised for this but I'm just extrapolating that to include any type of mind altering material, so if you do criticize me I won't be offended. Maybe I'm wrong and it works differently with dope.



That doesn't make them addicts though.
 

JLM

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If you never use something, how can you be addicted to it? If you're addicted to it, but never use it, you're not addicted to it.


Not for general purposes, for sure. Just think of substituting the word "allergic" for the word "addicted".
 

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Well I am taking a little "poetic license", but it goes back to the contention by some people that alcoholics are born & not made and what I've seen in some people who don't normally drink but when they do go completely haywire which I guess comes from having an intolerance for it. Now I may be criticised for this but I'm just extrapolating that to include any type of mind altering material, so if you do criticize me I won't be offended. Maybe I'm wrong and it works differently with dope.

I agree. Predilection to addiction has a genetic component, that's been fairly firmly established. There is also some evidence that there is an "addictive personality" type, who seem to be unable to refrain from over-using almost anything: tobacco, alcohol, sugar, harder drugs, &c. This despite the fact that they are otherwise normal individuals with no distinctive "reason" for addiction. Studies also tend to suggest that someone who is inclined to addiction is more likely to become addicted with more stresses in life: poverty, physical and/or emotional trauma, continual work or home stress, &c.

This part is just speculation, but I sometimes wonder if non-Indians are the same way with nicotine that Indians are with alcohol. Indians have to be super-careful with alcohol, or just stay away from it altogether, because we have a very high predilection to alcoholism. At the same time, I've noticed anecdotally that a lot of Indians smoke, but don't seem bothered when they don't have access to tobacco (including me). But I've known very few non-Indians who can take or leave tobacco. Then tend to be either complete non-smokers, or addicts. Makes you wonder if natural selection has something to do with weeding out a predilection to addiction to substances available locally for millennia.
 

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The killers are the producers in China and the source is the container yards on the coast, but China also gives us cheap televisions, stereos, and chicken chow mien; so we like them.
 

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I agree. Predilection to addiction has a genetic component, that's been fairly firmly established. There is also some evidence that there is an "addictive personality" type, who seem to be unable to refrain from over-using almost anything: tobacco, alcohol, sugar, harder drugs, &c. This despite the fact that they are otherwise normal individuals with no distinctive "reason" for addiction. Studies also tend to suggest that someone who is inclined to addiction is more likely to become addicted with more stresses in life: poverty, physical and/or emotional trauma, continual work or home stress, &c.

This part is just speculation, but I sometimes wonder if non-Indians are the same way with nicotine that Indians are with alcohol. Indians have to be super-careful with alcohol, or just stay away from it altogether, because we have a very high predilection to alcoholism. At the same time, I've noticed anecdotally that a lot of Indians smoke, but don't seem bothered when they don't have access to tobacco (including me). But I've known very few non-Indians who can take or leave tobacco. Then tend to be either complete non-smokers, or addicts. Makes you wonder if natural selection has something to do with weeding out a predilection to addiction to substances available locally for millennia.



That's an interesting idea. I didn't know that Indians may have a different reaction to the addictive properties of nicotine and tobacco. It's certainly quite possible that there's a genetic difference.


When you think about it, the reason humans react differently to ethanol and methanol (intoxication vs death) is due to genetic evolution due to exposure to fermented food over the millennia. So there's reason to think that a genetic pool exposed to tobacco for millennia might have different tolerance to Euro culture where it's only been a few hundred years.
 

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I agree. Predilection to addiction has a genetic component, that's been fairly firmly established. There is also some evidence that there is an "addictive personality" type, who seem to be unable to refrain from over-using almost anything: tobacco, alcohol, sugar, harder drugs, &c. This despite the fact that they are otherwise normal individuals with no distinctive "reason" for addiction. Studies also tend to suggest that someone who is inclined to addiction is more likely to become addicted with more stresses in life: poverty, physical and/or emotional trauma, continual work or home stress, &c.

This part is just speculation, but I sometimes wonder if non-Indians are the same way with nicotine that Indians are with alcohol. Indians have to be super-careful with alcohol, or just stay away from it altogether, because we have a very high predilection to alcoholism. At the same time, I've noticed anecdotally that a lot of Indians smoke, but don't seem bothered when they don't have access to tobacco (including me). But I've known very few non-Indians who can take or leave tobacco. Then tend to be either complete non-smokers, or addicts. Makes you wonder if natural selection has something to do with weeding out a predilection to addiction to substances available locally for millennia.

I have always subscribed to the theory that there are people who have this. I have known people who smoked weed their whole lives just as many of us drink a beer on the weekend and still lead normal productive lives. Then there are the people who do certain drugs and suddenly stop.

I think it is genetic. I know a lot of people say otherwise, but many of them have never had to deal with it first hand.
 

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Right about now I think the predilection is genetic, and its expression can be significantly influenced by environmental factors. That's about as certain as I can be at this point.

One thing for sure, it's more complex than just genetics or just "character."
 

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Well I am taking a little "poetic license", but it goes back to the contention by some people that alcoholics are born & not made and what I've seen in some people who don't normally drink but when they do go completely haywire which I guess comes from having an intolerance for it. Now I may be criticised for this but I'm just extrapolating that to include any type of mind altering material, so if you do criticize me I won't be offended. Maybe I'm wrong and it works differently with dope.
So okay, I see what you may be trying to get at.

Some people seem to have 'addictive personalities'. Such as everything they try becomes something they can easily become addicted to.

But here's a story that is common across the country. And I was always under the assumption that these places provided alternatives to the drugs to help the users get away from the addiction but this one just watches to see if they overdose..........


Staff at Calgary's supervised drug consumption site have saved multiple lives since the site opened last week, the program co-ordinator says.

Drug users now are able to take their illegal substances at a temporary site set up in the parking lot of the Sheldon M. Chumir Health Centre in downtown Calgary. A permanent facility is under construction, all permitted due to an exemption federal law approved by Health Canada in late October

As dangerous drugs like fentanyl are causing drug deaths to rise in Alberta the hope is the supervised consumption site will help people get treatment for overdoses right away — and prevent them from dying.

Alberta Health Services program co-ordinator Claire O'Gorman spoke with Calgary Eyeopener host David Gray on Tuesday about how the effort is going, one week in.

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Calgary's new supervised consumption site already catching drug overdoses, co-ordinator says - Calgary - CBC News