The Viet Nam War by Ken Burns
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There were Canadians in that war also. Should have asked somebody.
Lost to history: the Canadians who fought in Vietnam - British Columbia - CBC News
20,000 Canadians enlisted; at least 134 killed
McSorley was certainly not the only young Canadian to fight and die in the conflict.
Canada never officially joined the fight with U.S. forces in Vietnam, and eventually harboured tens of thousands of American draft dodgers and deserters.
But much more quietly, a steady stream of young Canadians was crossing the border in the opposite direction.
If you were in the armed forces and the war was still on you could have went so don't pretend there were no Canadian soldiers in the war.
The Pentagon Papers which were official government documents prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that endorsing the Vietnam war was treason. There simply is no other way to describe it.
Cdn Forces personnel
Cdn Forces personnel were sent to Indochina as observers in 1954 (approx. 150 Cdns), after the ceasefire between Vietnam and France. We were part of the International Control Commission (ICC). We also went to Laos and Cambodia. We had observers there until 1973, during the Paris Peace Talks. There were approx. 250 Cdns in 1973 (source: Scarce Heard Amid the Guns - An Inside Look at Canadian Peacekeeping, Lt. Col John Conrad).
I do not know how many Cdns served there in total over the years, but they were non-combatants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Vietnam_War
http://www.cfc.forces.gc.ca/259/181/83_schreiber.pdf
Volunteers
Exact figures are not known of the number of Canadians who went to the US and enlisted there to fight in Vietnam. The estimates range from 20,000 to 30,000 enlistees. Of those, the actual number who actually went to Vietnam is estimated between 5,000 to 12,000.
https://canadianmilitary.page.tl/-Vietnam.htm
Lost to history: the Canadians who fought in Vietnam - British Columbia - CBC News
Cdn Forces personnel were sent to Indochina as observers in 1954 (approx. 150 Cdns), after the ceasefire between Vietnam and France. We were part of the International Control Commission (ICC). We also went to Laos and Cambodia. We had observers there until 1973, during the Paris Peace Talks. There were approx. 250 Cdns in 1973 (source: Scarce Heard Amid the Guns - An Inside Look at Canadian Peacekeeping, Lt. Col John Conrad).
I do not know how many Cdns served there in total over the years, but they were non-combatants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Vietnam_War
http://www.cfc.forces.gc.ca/259/181/83_schreiber.pdf
Volunteers
Exact figures are not known of the number of Canadians who went to the US and enlisted there to fight in Vietnam. The estimates range from 20,000 to 30,000 enlistees. Of those, the actual number who actually went to Vietnam is estimated between 5,000 to 12,000.
https://canadianmilitary.page.tl/-Vietnam.htm
Lost to history: the Canadians who fought in Vietnam - British Columbia - CBC News
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Care to explain why we had soldiers in Laos and Cambodia when the war was in Vietnam??
The answer is the poppies in the golden triangle. Fighting communism is not the same as being a drug pusher now is it??
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The answer is the poppies in the golden triangle. Fighting communism is not the same as being a drug pusher now is it??
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No, I do not care to explain why. There are sufficient cites above. But since you need to be spoon fed,
"The Department of External Affairs had sent three observers to the Geneva Peace Talks on Indochina in May of 1954, led by then Secretary of State for External Affairs, Pearson. Accompanied by two Foreign Service officers, John Holmes and Chester Ronning, Pearson had been instructed by the Prime Minister, Louis St. Laurent, simply to act as an observer, and, only if absolutely necessary, tender Canada’s good offices as a mediator.
Pearson and Ronning, however, had too many old friends in Geneva among the diplomats from Britain, the United States, and Communist China. Ronning’s influence with China’s Chou En Lai led to an offer that the Canadians could not refuse — membership, along with India and Poland, on the International Commissions on Supervision and Control (ICSC) for Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam. These bodies were set up to over-see and report on the implementation of the Geneva Accords, the basis of a tenuous peace plan for the Indochina region."
http://www.cfc.forces.gc.ca/259/181/83_schreiber.pdf
"The Department of External Affairs had sent three observers to the Geneva Peace Talks on Indochina in May of 1954, led by then Secretary of State for External Affairs, Pearson. Accompanied by two Foreign Service officers, John Holmes and Chester Ronning, Pearson had been instructed by the Prime Minister, Louis St. Laurent, simply to act as an observer, and, only if absolutely necessary, tender Canada’s good offices as a mediator.
Pearson and Ronning, however, had too many old friends in Geneva among the diplomats from Britain, the United States, and Communist China. Ronning’s influence with China’s Chou En Lai led to an offer that the Canadians could not refuse — membership, along with India and Poland, on the International Commissions on Supervision and Control (ICSC) for Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam. These bodies were set up to over-see and report on the implementation of the Geneva Accords, the basis of a tenuous peace plan for the Indochina region."
http://www.cfc.forces.gc.ca/259/181/83_schreiber.pdf
Actually, what was a lot scarier was the Yom Kippur war that happened in the Fall of 1973. We didn't know it at the time but we came within a wisker of all-out nuclear war, then. It was just about the closest brush with WWIII that we had all along.
There were approx. 250 Cdns in 1973 (source: Scarce Heard Amid the Guns - An Inside Look at Canadian Peacekeeping, Lt. Col John Conrad).
As I recall, that force was called the ICCS. They were, metaphorically, the traffic cops at the Indy 500, armed with whistles.
The facility Israel bombed in Syria was not a n-power plant in the making. It was a bomb shelter for the early version of what became the S-300 system.
Compare your version to the one put forward by Miko Peled and we'll see which one is the more accurate.
Compare your version to the one put forward by Miko Peled and we'll see which one is the more accurate.
Really? Do any of you people try and look upthings before posting. When you are wrong it means you are stupid, you are wrong in this case.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Orchard
Operation Orchard[2][3] (Hebrew: מבצע בוסתן, Mivtza bustan) was an Israeli airstrike on a suspected nuclear reactor[4] in the Deir ez-Zor region[5] of Syria, which occurred just after midnight (local time) on September 6, 2007. The Israeli and U.S. governments imposed virtually total news blackouts immediately after the raid that held for seven months.[6] The White House and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) subsequently confirmed that American intelligence had also indicated the site was a nuclear facility with a military purpose, though Syria denies this.[7][8] A 2009 International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) investigation reported evidence of uranium and graphite and concluded that the site bore features resembling an undeclared nuclear reactor. IAEA was initially unable to confirm or deny the nature of the site because, according to IAEA, Syria failed to provide necessary cooperation with the IAEA investigation.[9][10] Syria has disputed these claims.[11] Nearly four years later, in April 2011, the IAEA officially confirmed that the site was a nuclear reactor.[4]
The Israeli attack followed top-level consultations with the Bush Administration. After realizing that the US was not willing to take its own military action, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert decided to adhere to the 1981 Begin Doctrine and unilaterally strike to prevent a Syrian nuclear weapons capability, despite serious concerns about Syrian retaliation. In stark contrast to the doctrine's prior usage against Iraq, the airstrike against Syria did not elicit international outcry. A main reason is that Israel maintained total and complete silence regarding the attack, and Syria covered up its activities at the site and did not cooperate fully with the IAEA. The international silence may have been a tacit recognition of the inevitability of preemptive attacks on "clandestine nuclear programs in their early stages." If true, the Begin Doctrine has undoubtedly played a role in shaping this global perception.[12]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Orchard
Operation Orchard[2][3] (Hebrew: מבצע בוסתן, Mivtza bustan) was an Israeli airstrike on a suspected nuclear reactor[4] in the Deir ez-Zor region[5] of Syria, which occurred just after midnight (local time) on September 6, 2007. The Israeli and U.S. governments imposed virtually total news blackouts immediately after the raid that held for seven months.[6] The White House and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) subsequently confirmed that American intelligence had also indicated the site was a nuclear facility with a military purpose, though Syria denies this.[7][8] A 2009 International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) investigation reported evidence of uranium and graphite and concluded that the site bore features resembling an undeclared nuclear reactor. IAEA was initially unable to confirm or deny the nature of the site because, according to IAEA, Syria failed to provide necessary cooperation with the IAEA investigation.[9][10] Syria has disputed these claims.[11] Nearly four years later, in April 2011, the IAEA officially confirmed that the site was a nuclear reactor.[4]
The Israeli attack followed top-level consultations with the Bush Administration. After realizing that the US was not willing to take its own military action, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert decided to adhere to the 1981 Begin Doctrine and unilaterally strike to prevent a Syrian nuclear weapons capability, despite serious concerns about Syrian retaliation. In stark contrast to the doctrine's prior usage against Iraq, the airstrike against Syria did not elicit international outcry. A main reason is that Israel maintained total and complete silence regarding the attack, and Syria covered up its activities at the site and did not cooperate fully with the IAEA. The international silence may have been a tacit recognition of the inevitability of preemptive attacks on "clandestine nuclear programs in their early stages." If true, the Begin Doctrine has undoubtedly played a role in shaping this global perception.[12]
People keep talking about Vietnam Vets, but I take my dog to a woman from Calgary, she's not Asian at all.
Proof that the Gulf of Tonkin "attack" was FAKE news:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/02/vietnam-presidents-lie-to-wage-war-iraq
Which proves that every American who died in Vietnam was killed by the traitors in his own government. Meantime, those who opposed the treasonous war were the true patriots.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/02/vietnam-presidents-lie-to-wage-war-iraq
Which proves that every American who died in Vietnam was killed by the traitors in his own government. Meantime, those who opposed the treasonous war were the true patriots.
The young men and women who died in the Viet Nam war were no less patriotic then those who opposed the war gopher and to state otherwise is dishonoring their sacrifices.
The killings were done by the Viet Cong, the N Vietnamese army and sometimes by their own. The government of the day is culpable in their deaths but did not pull the trigger or throw the grenade that took their lives.
I noticed one of the series sponsors is a friend of my mom and aunt.
She is a billionaire. Fruit and nuts. That POM brand is hers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynda_Resnick
She is a billionaire. Fruit and nuts. That POM brand is hers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynda_Resnick
Yes, the Resnick family have been long time supporters of PBS, pete. I've seen their name mentioned on several of the documentaries I've watched.
I was really surprised when I heard the David H Koch was a major supporter of the Viet Nam series.
Evil Corp is really not that evil.
Mom and my aunt get gift boxes from Lynda constantly.
Its a never ending supply of pistachios and almonds.
and POM
Mom and my aunt get gift boxes from Lynda constantly.
Its a never ending supply of pistachios and almonds.
and POM