The Viet Nam War by Ken Burns

[MHz]

Does it make you feel more manly when you swear?

The war started long before the US showed up. Perhaps the French were protecting the CIA drug trade.

I hope that you untangle your troubled mind. You need three guides. A medical doctor, a psychologist and a spiritual leader.

You should also consider taking up a calming hobby like knitting.

Do your balls crawl up you ass when I do??
Perhaps the French lost control, after all they are the French. They were given North Africa also and that is fuked up. They also had UN duty in Lebanon and they fuked that up or the Golan Heights would still be flying the Syrian flag. 2005 say an assassination in Beirut that was so important the French Hauled the soil away and build an exact replica of the street back at a french Military vase that was used time and time again. The lie is it was after the attack rather than it being the practice sessions for the first drone strike of a high profile target.
The proof can be found in the Syrian war, especially the attack on the University. The double-tap shows they are true low-lifes.
Those the French in charge??

 

[Highball]

I for one am very pleased to see just how good the information is in this series. I do remember being told by a Major to up that body count by 20% each day. It would account for those who were removed by the VC or NVA. It was apparent to me that the VC and NVA had a huge disconnect. Their only common goal was a united Vietnam with no foreign intruders on their soil.

 

[Mowich]

WTFuk do you think was being protested you witless dick??

The war, the deaths, the governments of the day, the draft, the lies, equality for black people, ..........need I go on. Oh and BTW, I am a dick-less wit.

Honestly, how can you condemn them for doing so?

I just took the time to read back through every single one of my posts on this topic, gopher and didn't find a single instance where I condemned the Vietnamese in their fight for a united and free Vietnam.

"I suppose that what I find the most upsetting is that Viet Nam is still a divided country as several Vietnamese from both sides of the war attested to in the documentary. After all those decades and decades of bloodshed, they still have no real unity of purpose. All they wanted was freedom with all the rights that attend it such as being able to elect a government of their choice - not one that is thrust down their throats."

Those who opposed the war were (and still are often called) radicals, unamerican, traitors, and subversives. And all those attacks were total bullshtt because those who dissented from the imperialist war were only trying to save lives. They more than anyone else deserve to be called patriots. If you had a child or sibling killed there you would say exactly the same thing.

If I had a child, sibling, or parent who died in Viet Nam, gopher I would honor their memory and their sacrifice.

Not all of those who dissented did so in an effort to stop the war, gopher and to say otherwise is completely disingenuous. Yes, there were those who did so solely for that purpose but there were others with an agenda that had little if anything to do with stopping the war. Even the most committed of the peaceful demonstrators were taken aback by the violence and destruction that resulted from some of the protests. In fact, there were subversives and radicals lurking among them.

 

[Curious Cdn]

As odious as the South Vietnamese government was, so were the Communists. They were romantized as freedom fighters during the war but after they won, they proved to be the cruel, vindictive totalitarians that we were told they'd be. Great misery was meted out to millions who ended up in "re-education" concentration camps for over a decade, forced to be essentially slave labourers and forced into boats by the hundreds of thousands where they died by the hundreds of thousands. The fall of South Vietnam was a human rights catastrophe.

 

[MHz]

Their only common goal was a united Vietnam with no foreign intruders on their soil.

The French got control through the UN so what happened in those years that made the 'West' so hated?? If they were mistreated they were right to revolt.

As odious as the South Vietnamese government was, so were the Communists. They were romantized as freedom fighters during the war but after they won, they proved to be the cruel, vindictive totalitarians that we were told they'd be. .

What do you think happens to collaborators?? If your theory was right it would still be going on today. What is Vietnam like today, hellhole like Iran was under US control between 1953-1979 or as modern as China is??

 

[Curious Cdn]

The French got control through the UN so what happened in those years that made the 'West' so hated?? If they were mistreated they were right to revolt.


What do you think happens to collaborators?? If your theory was right it would still be going on today. What is Vietnam like today, hellhole like Iran was under US control between 1953-1979 or as modern as China is??

Well, we were one of the victors of both WWI and WWII. It was within our power to inprison hundreds of thousands of Germans for "their crimes" yet we did not. It sounds like we missed the boat, following your line of thinking.

 

[petros]

The other winners kept half of Germany for 47 years.

 

[Curious Cdn]

The other winners kept half of Germany for 47 years.

Yes .. the Communists ...

I'm sure that they're remembered with fondness .. somewhere ... maybe... to one or two.

 

[petros]

They were the real winners.

 

[Mowich]

I've been visiting the PBS website for the Viet Nam war. They have a section where folks who lived through those times can tell their stories. Pages and pages of stories from participants in the war, participants in the protests, daughter, sons, wives, mothers of soldiers and many from Vietnamese citizens.

 

[Curious Cdn]

They were the real winners.

Eastern Europe was the backwards poor-as-church mice losers who lost their freedoms and skills sets to an imperial master that looted them blind.

Some winners.

 

[gopher]

Mowich


Even the most committed of the peaceful demonstrators were taken aback by the violence and destruction that resulted from some of the protests. In fact, there were subversives and radicals lurking among them.

Not one person that I was involved with caused even the slightest damage to anyone or any property. All of us peacefully worked for an end to that criminal and treasonous war. The violence was caused by federal agents in COINTELPRO:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO



Many of us involved in the Peace effort knew fully well of these criminal and treasonous activities. We took as many precautions as we could against these terrorists. In fact when Bush, Sr launched his imperialistic terrorist war against Iraq in 1991, I made a long distance phone call to Washington DC's Committee Against the War and warned them to be vigilant against similar government terrorism. The words I used in my phone conversation were later used by that Committee in their speech which was broadcasted around the world on C-SPAN.


The PBS series failed to note how it was government terrorists in COINTELPRO which caused the violence you condemn. And it failed to note how we who opposed imperialistic war did so with restraint and obedience to all laws, unlike the criminal actions of the government.