Canada demands U.S. end ‘right to work’ laws as part of NAFTA talks

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I have reserved posting on the NAFTA talks to this point as I'm still very skeptical as to whether the Trudeau team are genuinely working for the average Canadians best interest.


And as I've posted elsewhere before my skepticism is well earned......


The only time I ever voted liberal was when Chretien was waving his red book around saying he would tear up NAFTA

The specificity of the promises made in the Red Book was both its strength and its weakness. They have certainly facilitated a debate on the extent to which the Liberals met all the commitments they made. In 1996 the Liberals published A Record of Achievement: A Report on the Liberal Government’s 36 Months in Office, which provided a update on the Liberal Government’s actions in implementing the Red Book. The most contentious promises are those relating to the GST and the NAFTA. The critics claim that the Liberals promised to scrap the GST and tear up the NAFTA, whereas the Liberals (other than Sheila Copps who, honouring what she mistakenly thought was the promise, resigned to run in a by-election over the issue) hold up their efforts to achieve a harmonized sales tax and the NAFTA side agreements they reached on labour and environmental standards. Beauty, of course, is in the eye of the beholder. And, as an economist, there is little I add to this partisan debate, other than to say that it has occurred with much more information thanks to the Red Book.


http://global-economics.ca/redbook.htm


Canadian negotiators are demanding the United States roll back so-called "right to work" laws – accused of gutting unions in some U.S. states by starving them of money – as part of the renegotiation of the North American free-trade agreement. The request is part of a push by Ottawa to get the U.S. and Mexico to adopt higher labour standards under the deal.

Mexico, meanwhile, is campaigning to include its oil and gas sector in the deal.

These major moves on the labour and energy files came over the weekend at the second round of NAFTA renegotiations in Mexico City.

One group of negotiators spent all day Sunday working on the labour file, according to a schedule of the talks obtained by The Globe and Mail. One source familiar with the discussions said Canada wants the United States to pass a federal law stopping state governments from enacting right-to-work legislation; the source said the United States has not agreed to such a request. Canada believes that lower labour standards in the United States and Mexico, including right to work, give those countries an unfair advantage in attracting jobs.

Jerry Dias, the leader of Canada's largest private-sector trade union, said Ottawa's negotiators are: pushing Mexico on its corporate-sanctioned unions, which are accused of negotiating collective agreements unfavourable to workers; agitating for both countries to offer a year of paid family leave, as Canada does; and targeting American right-to-work laws that allow workers in unionized shops to refuse to pay dues, draining money from unions.

"I'm very pleased with the position the Canadian government is taking on labour standards," Mr. Dias, president of Unifor, told reporters outside the talks. "Canada's got two problems: The low wage rates in Mexico and the right-to-work states in the United States."

Mr. Dias, whose union represents a broad swath of occupations from auto makers to paperworkers, met on Sunday with Canada's chief NAFTA negotiator, Steve Verheul, and members of the team working on labour matters. He argued lax labour standards in the other two NAFTA countries are bleeding jobs out of Canada.

Another major, if significantly less controversial, subject at talks was Mexico's desire to enshrine its newly-opened energy market in NAFTA. When the deal was originally signed in 1994, oil and gas in the country was under a government-run monopoly. President Enrique Pena Nieto, however, has begun welcoming private foreign investment. Now, Mexico wants these open market rules written into NAFTA to ensure they are not rolled back by a future government.

Kenneth Smith Ramos, Mexico's chief negotiator, told reporters Saturday that his country wanted "mechanisms that allow us to integrate ourselves in a positive way in the energy sector" in order to "reflect the reform Mexico established."

more

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...e36160015/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&


Prime Minister Justin Trudeau assured unionized Canadian workers on Thursday they'll be getting a NAFTA deal they can be proud of.
Trudeau put a positive spin on the negotiations as he addressed the United Food and Commercial Workers Canada national council convention in Montreal.

"This modernization has been a long time coming and we're going to get a fair deal for Canadian workers," he told several hundred union members.

He repeated several times the agreement is in need of an update, and pointed out labour groups are "well-represented" on Canada's NAFTA council, which is led by Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland.

Canada's priorities include increasing protection for workers and the environment, he said.

"Together, we're going to land an agreement people in this room and across the country can be proud of," he told the audience.

Trudeau's 15-minute address painted his government as a friend of the labour movement, citing measures including such as the new Canada child benefit, higher taxes on the wealthiest one per cent and measures to help youth employment.

"The bottom line is, after years of neglect, organized labour finally has a strong partner in Ottawa, and we will not let you down," Trudeau said to a standing ovation from members.

The national president of the organization said Trudeau has taken steps to improve the relationship between the federal government and labour groups.

Paul Meinema said the prime minister appeared willing to listen to the concerns of labour groups and had followed through on some promises, including taking steps to repeal two controversial Stephen Harper-era bills the group saw as anti-union.

Meinema said the union wants to work with the government on the NAFTA file, which could have an impact on many of its members, particularly those working in the poultry and dairy sectors.

"We hope to continue to influence and continue to have discussions and ensure workers' rights are front and centre in those discussions," he said in an interview.

The union, which represents some 250,000 workers across the country, has urged the federal government to protect Canada's supply management system during the talks.

Meinema said it would be wrong to see Thursday's standing ovation as a sign Trudeau is winning over the organized labour vote, which has long been the NDP's traditional base.

"Our people received the prime minister graciously because he is the prime minster, he was an invited guest at our convention," he said.

"He was received with enthusiasm because we've never had a prime minister accept our invitation before."

Meinema madeit clear the organization isn't reconsidering its support of the NDP, noting its leader, Tom Mulcair also delivered an equally well-received speech.

"It would be a discussion that we would have to have at our collective meetings, but at this point we are supporters of the New Democratic Party," he said.

The labour group has said it will support Ontario legislature member Jagmeet Singh in that party's leadership contest.

Trudeau promises unionized workers a NAFTA deal they can be proud of | CTV News
 

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I have reserved posting on the NAFTA talks to this point as I'm still very skeptical as to whether the Trudeau team are genuinely working for the average Canadians best interest.

Of course they aren't.

Telling the US to close right to work states won't go anywhere.
Mexico is very corrupt 3rd world country with 3rd world standards.
Whatever 'standards' the Mexican authorities may sign will simply be ignored on the
ground with no repercussions.
Raising Mexican standards even if happened does nothing to protect Canadian workers
overnight or short or even medium term, the differences are too great.

The rest of it, the gender nonsense and even environmental stuff will just be laughed out of the room.

We'll be lucky to not get really whacked this round.

The globalist conspiracy theory again.

Huffiepoo Canada ?

:roll:

Anyway, the thing you don't understand, this Conservative Party... isn't Conservative.
This is why they can support the silly position of the Lieberals, and why they will lose the next election.
 

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Anyway, the thing you don't understand, this Conservative Party... isn't Conservative.
This is why they can support the silly position of the Lieberals, and why they will lose the next election.


Your vision of "Conservative" being what? Brown shirts rounding up Muslims, their breaking shop windows, building gas chambers?
 

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We saw these claims in the original NAFTA deal that Mexican workers for examplewould rise up to ‘our standards’ but that never happened……

Mexico needs to get rid of the maquiladoras to give their citizens an economic opportunity that they head north for ………….

Berta Alicia Lopez, 54, is the new face of Delphi. On a recent chilly morning, she woke before sunrise on the outskirts of Juarez, Mexico, and caught an unheated bus that dropped her an hour away at the Delphi plant.

Lopez earns $1 an hour assembling cables and electronics that will eventually be installed into vehicles — the same work that Wade once did for $30 an hour. A farmer’s daughter who grew up in an impoverished stretch of rural Mexico, Lopez is proud to own a used Toyota sedan and a concrete block house.

She frequently thanks God for the work, even if it is in a town troubled by drug violence, even if she doesn’t see many possibilities for earning more or advancing.

http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-us-factories-20170217-htmlstory.html


Of course American workers and subsequently Mexican will not see a net benefit even if the maquiladoras are eliminated until tax breaks for corporations that offshore jobs ends. If a given Mexican government wanted to support their people by improving labour standards the corporates have free reign to shop elsewhere for cheap labour……

American workers want all of these proposals achieved. They’ve heard this stuff before and supported it then. That includes ending tax breaks for corporations that offshore jobs – something that never happened. It includes the promise to confront China over its steel and aluminum overcapacity – a pledge followed by delay. Talk is cheap. Jobs are not. The factory anchoring a community’s tax base is not. America’s industrial strength in times of uncertainty is not. All the talk is useless unless workers get some action.
Mexican wages have remained stagnant for a decade.

Nafta has cut a path of destruction through Mexico. Since the agreement went into force in 1994, the country’s annual per capita growth flat-lined to an average of just 1.2 percent — one of the lowest in the hemisphere. Its real wage has declined and unemployment is up.

http://www.citizen.org/documents/ImpactsonMexicoMemoOnePager.pdf


As heavily subsidized U.S. corn and other staples poured into Mexico, producer prices dropped and small farmers found themselves unable to make a living. Some two million have been forced to leave their farms since Nafta. At the same time, consumer food prices rose, notably the cost of the omnipresent tortilla.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-nafta-good-for-mexicos-farmers/

As a result, 20 million Mexicans live in “food poverty”. Twenty-five percent of the population does not have access to basic food and one-fifth of Mexican children suffer from malnutrition. Transnational industrial corridors in rural areas have contaminated rivers and sickened the population and typically, women bear the heaviest impact.

http://fpif.org/nafta_is_starving_mexico/

In the United States, wages have been flat for longer – several decades.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/09/for-most-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/


This as corporate profits rise, the stock market skyrockets and CEO pay surges limitlessly.

Trade deals worked great for the already-rich, CEOs and corporations. They’ve crushed workers.
 

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Another big problem is benefits
Look at Illinois, which is beyond broke because of that...

and the recipients are still screaming for their benefits which are impossible to fund..
 

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Another big problem is benefits
Look at Illinois, which is beyond broke because of that...

and the recipients are still screaming for their benefits which are impossible to fund..

Wait' til us Baby Boomers hit the system full tilt.
 

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Article 23.1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states:[1]

(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.

— Universal Declaration of Human Rights, United Nations General Assembly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_work

Perhaps it's time for the Minister of Trade to respect universal human rights.
 

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The International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights states in Part III, Article 6:[2]

(1) The States Parties to the present Covenant recognize the right to work, which includes the right of everyone to the opportunity to gain his living by work which he freely chooses or accepts, and will take appropriate steps to safeguard this right.

(2) The steps to be taken by a State Party to the present Covenant to achieve the full realization of this right shall include technical and vocational guidance and training programmes, policies and techniques to achieve steady economic, social and cultural development and full and productive employment under conditions safeguarding fundamental political and economic freedoms to the individual.

— International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, United Nations General Assembly

And Canada is a signatory member-state. But to hell with the right to work or international human rights, eh.
 

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This says it all...



#EagleCrack :lol:
 

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yeah..and he ain't going to give it to you
:)
its OK though, you can have your globalistnazicommunism instead
 

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Of course they aren't.

Telling the US to close right to work states won't go anywhere.
Mexico is very corrupt 3rd world country with 3rd world standards.
Whatever 'standards' the Mexican authorities may sign will simply be ignored on the
ground with no repercussions.
Raising Mexican standards even if happened does nothing to protect Canadian workers
overnight or short or even medium term, the differences are too great.
The rest of it, the gender nonsense and even environmental stuff will just be laughed out of the room.
We'll be lucky to not get really whacked this round.
Anyway, the thing you don't understand, this Conservative Party... isn't Conservative.
This is why they can support the silly position of the Lieberals, and why they will lose the next election.

Correct, "of course they aren't". And never have and never will. Yes Mexico maintains third world standards as far as corruption goes both Canada and especially the USA have very much more robust and organized corruption well up to first world thieving bastard standards.
What the hell is a conservative party?
 

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They drink the koolaid
:)
A lie barrel party is where they pee it out
 

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I'm not a member of the Liberal Party, but please, just spell it Liberal. Lie barrel, Con bot, etc. get really irritating after a while.
 

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— International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, United Nations General Assembly

And Canada is a signatory member-state. But to hell with the right to work or international human rights, eh.

Too bad that the UN proclamations aren't enshrined in the laws of the various Fed gvts and/or Provincial/State Assemblies.

... Much like their many failed attempts at instituting global eco-taxes, this too shall be nothing more than a wash-list item within the UN brain trust
 

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Mexican president says country will not compromise its 'dignity' when dealing with the U.S.

The state of the union address is traditionally a moment for Mexican presidents to list their accomplishments. Peña Nieto cited what he called improvements in various fields, including the economy, security, public education and restoring infrastructure.

But his political adversaries immediately denounced the speech as more spin than reality.

The president’s discourse “did not correspond to the reality that people are living every day,” Marti Batres, head of the left-wing Morena Party in Mexico City, told the Milenio television network. “We are going backward…. We need a political change in this country.”

Mexico’s presidential election is scheduled for next July 1. By law, Peña Nieto cannot succeed himself once his six-year term ends next year. The president’s low approval ratings have cast doubts on the ability of his ruling Institutional Revolutionary Party to maintain power in next year’s national balloting. A major challenger is Morena’s Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, twice-defeated presidential hopeful who is expected to make a third run next year.

Peña Nieto is scheduled to give one more state of the union address, after the presidential elections, but he will by then be a lame duck.

Mexican president says country will not compromise its 'dignity' when dealing with the U.S. - LA Times
 

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I have reserved posting on the NAFTA talks to this point as I'm still very skeptical as to whether the Trudeau team are genuinely working for the average Canadians best interest.


And as I've posted elsewhere before my skepticism is well earned......


The only time I ever voted liberal was when Chretien was waving his red book around saying he would tear up NAFTA

The specificity of the promises made in the Red Book was both its strength and its weakness. They have certainly facilitated a debate on the extent to which the Liberals met all the commitments they made. In 1996 the Liberals published A Record of Achievement: A Report on the Liberal Government’s 36 Months in Office, which provided a update on the Liberal Government’s actions in implementing the Red Book. The most contentious promises are those relating to the GST and the NAFTA. The critics claim that the Liberals promised to scrap the GST and tear up the NAFTA, whereas the Liberals (other than Sheila Copps who, honouring what she mistakenly thought was the promise, resigned to run in a by-election over the issue) hold up their efforts to achieve a harmonized sales tax and the NAFTA side agreements they reached on labour and environmental standards. Beauty, of course, is in the eye of the beholder. And, as an economist, there is little I add to this partisan debate, other than to say that it has occurred with much more information thanks to the Red Book.


http://global-economics.ca/redbook.htm


Canadian negotiators are demanding the United States roll back so-called "right to work" laws – accused of gutting unions in some U.S. states by starving them of money – as part of the renegotiation of the North American free-trade agreement. The request is part of a push by Ottawa to get the U.S. and Mexico to adopt higher labour standards under the deal.

Mexico, meanwhile, is campaigning to include its oil and gas sector in the deal.

These major moves on the labour and energy files came over the weekend at the second round of NAFTA renegotiations in Mexico City.

One group of negotiators spent all day Sunday working on the labour file, according to a schedule of the talks obtained by The Globe and Mail. One source familiar with the discussions said Canada wants the United States to pass a federal law stopping state governments from enacting right-to-work legislation; the source said the United States has not agreed to such a request. Canada believes that lower labour standards in the United States and Mexico, including right to work, give those countries an unfair advantage in attracting jobs.

Jerry Dias, the leader of Canada's largest private-sector trade union, said Ottawa's negotiators are: pushing Mexico on its corporate-sanctioned unions, which are accused of negotiating collective agreements unfavourable to workers; agitating for both countries to offer a year of paid family leave, as Canada does; and targeting American right-to-work laws that allow workers in unionized shops to refuse to pay dues, draining money from unions.

"I'm very pleased with the position the Canadian government is taking on labour standards," Mr. Dias, president of Unifor, told reporters outside the talks. "Canada's got two problems: The low wage rates in Mexico and the right-to-work states in the United States."

Mr. Dias, whose union represents a broad swath of occupations from auto makers to paperworkers, met on Sunday with Canada's chief NAFTA negotiator, Steve Verheul, and members of the team working on labour matters. He argued lax labour standards in the other two NAFTA countries are bleeding jobs out of Canada.

Another major, if significantly less controversial, subject at talks was Mexico's desire to enshrine its newly-opened energy market in NAFTA. When the deal was originally signed in 1994, oil and gas in the country was under a government-run monopoly. President Enrique Pena Nieto, however, has begun welcoming private foreign investment. Now, Mexico wants these open market rules written into NAFTA to ensure they are not rolled back by a future government.

Kenneth Smith Ramos, Mexico's chief negotiator, told reporters Saturday that his country wanted "mechanisms that allow us to integrate ourselves in a positive way in the energy sector" in order to "reflect the reform Mexico established."

more

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...e36160015/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&


Prime Minister Justin Trudeau assured unionized Canadian workers on Thursday they'll be getting a NAFTA deal they can be proud of.
Trudeau put a positive spin on the negotiations as he addressed the United Food and Commercial Workers Canada national council convention in Montreal.

"This modernization has been a long time coming and we're going to get a fair deal for Canadian workers," he told several hundred union members.

He repeated several times the agreement is in need of an update, and pointed out labour groups are "well-represented" on Canada's NAFTA council, which is led by Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland.

Canada's priorities include increasing protection for workers and the environment, he said.

"Together, we're going to land an agreement people in this room and across the country can be proud of," he told the audience.

Trudeau's 15-minute address painted his government as a friend of the labour movement, citing measures including such as the new Canada child benefit, higher taxes on the wealthiest one per cent and measures to help youth employment.

"The bottom line is, after years of neglect, organized labour finally has a strong partner in Ottawa, and we will not let you down," Trudeau said to a standing ovation from members.

The national president of the organization said Trudeau has taken steps to improve the relationship between the federal government and labour groups.

Paul Meinema said the prime minister appeared willing to listen to the concerns of labour groups and had followed through on some promises, including taking steps to repeal two controversial Stephen Harper-era bills the group saw as anti-union.

Meinema said the union wants to work with the government on the NAFTA file, which could have an impact on many of its members, particularly those working in the poultry and dairy sectors.

"We hope to continue to influence and continue to have discussions and ensure workers' rights are front and centre in those discussions," he said in an interview.

The union, which represents some 250,000 workers across the country, has urged the federal government to protect Canada's supply management system during the talks.

Meinema said it would be wrong to see Thursday's standing ovation as a sign Trudeau is winning over the organized labour vote, which has long been the NDP's traditional base.

"Our people received the prime minister graciously because he is the prime minster, he was an invited guest at our convention," he said.

"He was received with enthusiasm because we've never had a prime minister accept our invitation before."

Meinema madeit clear the organization isn't reconsidering its support of the NDP, noting its leader, Tom Mulcair also delivered an equally well-received speech.

"It would be a discussion that we would have to have at our collective meetings, but at this point we are supporters of the New Democratic Party," he said.

The labour group has said it will support Ontario legislature member Jagmeet Singh in that party's leadership contest.

Trudeau promises unionized workers a NAFTA deal they can be proud of | CTV News

Basically what they are saying is that Canada has priced itself out of the manufacturing market despite the low rate of our dollar and instead of returning to reality they now want the other countries to increase their manufacturing costs until we can compete.

Another big problem is benefits
Look at Illinois, which is beyond broke because of that...

and the recipients are still screaming for their benefits which are impossible to fund..

Something that will never happen in the private sector because the employer will either go bankrupt or move to a friendlier environment.
One thing people keep forgetting is that if wages raise significantly in Mexico everything we import will rise in price quite possibly to the point where sales drop and put Canadians out of work.

Article 23.1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states:[1]

(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.

— Universal Declaration of Human Rights, United Nations General Assembly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_work

Perhaps it's time for the Minister of Trade to respect universal human rights.

THat's nice. But totally irrelevant. Like the UN.
 

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Basically what they are saying is that Canada has priced itself out of the manufacturing market despite the low rate of our dollar and instead of returning to reality they now want the other countries to increase their manufacturing costs until we can compete.

Yes but it would take so long as to be no benefit to Canada.


One thing people keep forgetting is that if wages raise significantly in Mexico everything we import will rise in price quite possibly to the point where sales drop and put Canadians out of work.

Exactly.

THat's nice. But totally irrelevant. Like the UN.
And just like WU. :lol: