Sun, moon, Earth to line up for total solar eclipse

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Light can't be slowing down or at some point it would eventually come to a complete halt. I'm not sure 'in a vacuum' matters as when it goes through an atmosphere it travels a greater distance due to all the bends it takes dues to mirrors and prisms so it appears to be going slower.
 

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Light can't be slowing down or at some point it would eventually come to a complete halt. I'm not sure 'in a vacuum' matters as when it goes through an atmosphere it travels a greater distance due to all the bends it takes dues to mirrors and prisms so it appears to be going slower.

The Speed of Light is the speed of light.
 

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Ozzy Osbourne performs 'Bark At The Moon' during eclipse
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First posted: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 03:51 PM EDT | Updated: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 03:57 PM EDT
Ozzy Osbourne marked Monday’s solar eclipse by performing his hit Bark at the Moon as the sun was blocked out over Illinois.
The heavy rocker played a rare afternoon set at the Moonstock Festival in Carterville and timed his performance perfectly - two minutes into one of his most famous solo tracks, the moon completely blocked out the sun.
The total solar eclipse was over by the time the song ended.
The four-day Moonstock Festival was created to celebrate the eclipse and attendees were given protective glasses, so they could view the supernatural moment.
Meanwhile, Bonnie Tyler performed her hit Total Eclipse of the Heart with DNCE as her backing band out at sea. The Welsh rocker hit the stage of a special cruise ship full of eclipse fans just before the big moment and sang part of her hit as the sky went dark.
Ozzy Osbourne performs 'Bark At The Moon' during eclipse | Music | Entertainment

Auto theft suspect arrested after stopping to watch eclipse
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First posted: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:55 AM EDT | Updated: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:06 PM EDT
ORLANDO, Fla. — Authorities in Florida say an auto theft suspect who wanted to watch the moon blot out the sun instead has a blot on his record.
The Orange County Sheriff’s Office said on its Facebook page that Jocsan Rosado was arrested Monday after he parked what deputies say was a stolen car to watch the eclipse.
Deputies say Rosado stole the vehicle, and unbeknownst to him, was being followed by detectives with the auto theft unit.
Deputies say he stopped at a hardware store to purchase a welding mask for watching the eclipse safely.
He was arrested next to the stolen car, wearing the welding mask and looking up at the sky.
There were no online court records for Rosado early Tuesday, and it was unknown if he had an attorney.
Auto theft suspect arrested after stopping to watch eclipse | WEIRD NEWS | Weird
 

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You must have a pretty low threshold for declaring something a miracle. An eclipse is a readily explainable natural event, and it's just coincidental that at this particular time in the evolution of the solar system the relative sizes and distances of the earth, moon and sun are such as to permit the moon to precisely cover the sun's disk sometimes when seen from the earth. It wasn't always so, and won't always be so.

All cosmic manifestations are miracles; your explanation is not logical as the evolution .. etc. It is the act of the All-Wise All-Knowing God.

The solar system as a whole is the miracle: planets circling around the sun at certain distances, with certain axis inclinations .. so the day and night issue and the seasons issue .. and the regular movement of their axial rotation and orbiting around the sun .. to bear life .. this cannot be explained logically with evolution .. etc and by the mere chance .. it is in fact the work of the All-Wise All-Knowing God.

By the way, here is a related Quran aya concerning this contemplation:

Quran 3: 190-191, which means:
{190. There – in the creation of the heavens and the earth a, and the alternation of the night and the day b – are indicative signs c to men having discerning minds.

[Then God – be glorified – started to describe and praise those men having the discerning minds:]

191. [Those] who remember God when they stand up, sit down and recline [in bed] d, and contemplate in the creation of the heavens and the earth e, [then say]: "Our Lord, not in vain f have You created this [universe!] Glory be to You g! Protect us from the torment of the Fire.h "}
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190 a i.e. the planets including the earth.

190 b On these planets because of their rotation.

190 c Of a Wise Creator Who created them perfectly, and a Wise Designer Who invented them and perfected their creation.

191 d It means: they always remember and glorify Him, and they seek His help and do not seek the help of anyone else when they stand up and sit down.
So the seeking of help of those other than God is not allowed, even if you say: O Mohammed [help me!] when you stand up; therefore, whoso seek the help of imams, sheikhs , prophets and saints, when he stands up and sits down, then he is an associater (who associates or joins them with God in the worship.)

191 e i.e. the planets including the earth: so they contemplate about these planets and their spinning around their axes so that the day and night issue, then their circling around the sun so that the four seasons issue: summer, winter, spring and autumn; and they ponder the marvels of God in these planets and the astonishing creatures and the large number of signs that God created on these planets; therefore, they say:

191 f Not without purpose.

191 g You do not do any mistake.

191 h By guiding us to the way of the truth, and by forgiving us our sins.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/3.htm#a3_190
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You must have a pretty low threshold for declaring something a miracle. An eclipse is a readily explainable natural event, and it's just coincidental that at this particular time in the evolution of the solar system the relative sizes and distances of the earth, moon and sun are such as to permit the moon to precisely cover the sun's disk sometimes when seen from the earth. It wasn't always so, and won't always be so.

You, as usual have missed: deliberately or not, the idea of the miracle of the eclipse.

The miracle of God's might: that He made such proportions of the disc of either of Sun and Moon relative to the distances of either of them in relation to Earth.
This is the miracle, as in all other miraculous manifestations in the entire universe.

So if atheists deny God's might, it is only their assertions: like one denying the light of the sun in the midday, and he keeps insisting on his claim; which will not change the truth about sun's light in the midday.
 

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So. Still here. Allah did not smite us. We continue on in peace and prosperity white in Muslim lands, murder, mayhem and inequality continue as usual.
 

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You, as usual have missed: deliberately or not, the idea of the miracle of the eclipse.
And you, as usual, understand almost nothing of reality. A miracle by definition is an event contrary to the laws of nature, a one time suspension or modification of them by some supposed supernatural force to allow something to happen that couldn't otherwise. An eclipse is perfectly consistent with everything we know about how nature operates, no supernatural forces are necessary to explain it.
 

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And you, as usual, understand almost nothing of reality. A miracle by definition is an event contrary to the laws of nature, a one time suspension or modification of them by some supposed supernatural force to allow something to happen that couldn't otherwise. An eclipse is perfectly consistent with everything we know about how nature operates, no supernatural forces are necessary to explain it.
You mean like the Leafs not sucking?

I'm not sure even the Judeo-Christian god has that much power.
 

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And you, as usual, understand almost nothing of reality. A miracle by definition is an event contrary to the laws of nature, a one time suspension or modification of them by some supposed supernatural force to allow something to happen that couldn't otherwise. A
And you, as usual, understand almost nothing of reality. A miracle by definition is an event contrary to the laws of nature, a one time suspension or modification of them by some supposed supernatural force to allow something to happen that couldn't otherwise. An eclipse is perfectly consistent with everything we know about how nature operates, no supernatural forces are necessary to explain it.

And you keep to your ignoring the truth until you perish a disbeliever.
So you take the literal word, without the implication.
It is the marvel of God's might: one the most outstanding marvels and is better than any extra-ordinary miracle.

Then how are these moon, earth and sun put in such relative sizes and distances, and they move with such precision? No of course there is the All-Wise Creator, in spite of the denial of all atheists.

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I add here this tale:
When Prophet Mohammed called people to worship God alone without associate, son or peer .. his people demanded of him an objective miracle like the staff of Prophet Moses or the she-camel of Prophet Salih; he said: this Quran is a fluent and eloquent miracle telling about the past and foretelling about the future. They said: The Quran is not enough, we want an objective miracle, so the aya was revealed:

Quran 10: 101, which means:
{Say [O Mohammed to them]: "Look to what [wonders a] are in the heavens and the earth b!

But neither will miracles
c nor warners d avail a people who do not believe [in God and in His messenger.]"}
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101 a And contemplate about their creation and perfection, and ask yourselves: who created and perfected all that: is it your idols or God who created that? So this is the best miracle and the greatest proof about God’s might and oneness.

101 b i.e. the planets including the earth.

101 c Will avail you anything against the punishment; it means: when the punishment will come on you, when you deny the miracle which you suggest to Our messenger, the miracle will not repel the punishment from you; moreover, you will not believe when you see it; therefore, what is the benefit from such suggestion of yours?

101 d Nor will the warners be able to repel the punishment from you. It means: Your prophets too will not intercede for you, when the punishment will come on you, neither can they avert it from you, but they will leave you and go away (from a people who do not believe [in God and in His messenger.])

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/10.htm#a10_101
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So. Still here. Allah did not smite us. We continue on in peace and prosperity white in Muslim lands, murder, mayhem and inequality continue as usual.

Your turn may be coming; for as such the past nations of disbelievers said before their termination.

Moreover, Pharaoh had this illusion before his perishing:

Quran 43: 51-52, which mean:
{51. And Pharaoh proclaimed among his people [lest they should follow Moses]:

'O my people, do I not possess the kingship over Egypt [from Alexandria to Aswan]?

And these [four] rivers [: River King, River Toulon, River Damietta (Dumyat) and River Tanis] flowing beneath me?

Don't you see [my monarchy and greatness]?'


52. “[Is Moses then better than I am] or am I better than this [Moses] who is lowly and can hardly speak [for he is a lisper]?”

53. "How come no bracelets of gold have been cast on him, [if he is truthful in his apostle-hood]

How come the angels do not accompany him [to testify to his truthfulness, and help him in his mission]?"



54. He thus fooled [the minds of] his people, and they obeyed him; surely they were a people disobedient [to God.]}

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/43.htm#a43_51
<quran-ayat.com/pret/43.htm#a43_51>n eclipse is perfectly consistent with everything we know about how nature operates, no supernatural forces are necessary to explain it.

And you keep to your ignoring the truth until you perish a disbeliever.
So you take the literal word, without the implication.
It is the marvel of God's might: one the most outstanding marvels and is better than any extra-ordinary miracle.

Then how are these moon, earth and sun put in such relative sizes and distances, and they move with such precision? No of course there is the All-Wise Creator, in spite of the denial of all atheists.

==================================================================

I add here this tale:
When Prophet Mohammed called people to worship God alone without associate, son or peer .. his people demanded of him an objective miracle like the staff of Prophet Moses or the she-camel of Prophet Salih; he said: this Quran is a fluent and eloquent miracle telling about the past and foretelling about the future. They said: The Quran is not enough, we want an objective miracle, so the aya was revealed:

Quran 10: 101, which means:
{Say [O Mohammed to them]: "Look to what [wonders a] are in the heavens and the earth b!

But neither will miracles
c nor warners d avail a people who do not believe [in God and in His messenger.]"}
...........................................................................

101 a And contemplate about their creation and perfection, and ask yourselves: who created and perfected all that: is it your idols or God who created that? So this is the best miracle and the greatest proof about God’s might and oneness.

101 b i.e. the planets including the earth.

101 c Will avail you anything against the punishment; it means: when the punishment will come on you, when you deny the miracle which you suggest to Our messenger, the miracle will not repel the punishment from you; moreover, you will not believe when you see it; therefore, what is the benefit from such suggestion of yours?

101 d Nor will the warners be able to repel the punishment from you. It means: Your prophets too will not intercede for you, when the punishment will come on you, neither can they avert it from you, but they will leave you and go away (from a people who do not believe [in God and in His messenger.])

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/10.htm#a10_101
<quran-ayat.com/pret/10.htm#a10_101>

So. Still here. Allah did not smite us. We continue on in peace and prosperity white in Muslim lands, murder, mayhem and inequality continue as usual.

Your turn may be coming; for as such the past nations of disbelievers said before their termination.

Moreover, Pharaoh had this illusion before his perishing:

Quran 43: 51-52, which mean:
{51. And Pharaoh proclaimed among his people [lest they should follow Moses]:

'O my people, do I not possess the kingship over Egypt [from Alexandria to Aswan]?

And these [four] rivers [: River King, River Toulon, River Damietta (Dumyat) and River Tanis] flowing beneath me?

Don't you see [my monarchy and greatness]?'


52. “[Is Moses then better than I am] or am I better than this [Moses] who is lowly and can hardly speak [for he is a lisper]?”

53. "How come no bracelets of gold have been cast on him, [if he is truthful in his apostle-hood]

How come the angels do not accompany him [to testify to his truthfulness, and help him in his mission]?"



54. He thus fooled [the minds of] his people, and they obeyed him; surely they were a people disobedient [to God.]}

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/43.htm#a43_51
<quran-ayat.com/pret/43.htm#a43_51>
 
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Then how are these moon, earth and sun put in such relative sizes and distances, and they move with such precision? No of course there is the All-Wise Creator, in spite of the denial of all atheists.
And you think "Allah did it" explains anything? That just avoids having to explain anything by saying it's supernatural and no further explanation is possible or necessary. I don't know why I keep trying to explain anything to you, you've decided to stay relentlessly ignorant.
 

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And you think "Allah did it" explains anything? That just avoids having to explain anything by saying it's supernatural and no further explanation is possible or necessary. I don't know why I keep trying to explain anything to you, you've decided to stay relentlessly ignorant.

Stop being a bigote

Leave the pore Muslims alone. You keep this up im going to have to petition the government for a 10 million dollar compensation.

Social justice must prevail!!!!
 

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Stop being a bigote

Leave the pore Muslims alone. You keep this up im going to have to petition the government for a 10 million dollar compensation.

Social justice must prevail!!!!
Your compensation argument is:

1) I am white
2) I use a straw man argument to claim that if people don't like nazi rallys then they are white-hating racists.
3) I can't dance.
4) I can't even play funky music.
5) See how hard done by I am.
 

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Your compensation argument is:

1) I am white
2) I use a straw man argument to claim that if people don't like nazi rallys then they are white-hating racists.
3) I can't dance.
4) I can't even play funky music.
5) See how hard done by I am.

I know right?? Pretending to be a liberal is great
 

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Selfsame: Life comes from the feminine. The myth that the male war god of the desert was created by men to subjugate the divine feminine. The Koran, the Bible and the Torah are made up bullshit to control people and have no basis in reality. If there was a creator god, she was a goddess, not a god. I realize this will probably make your head implode and you will start shouting how your god is going to make me burn in hell, but, I'm sorry, if there is a hell, you will be the one burning for pushing your nonsense and threatening people with retribution.
The Abrahamic religions are a hoax. Have a good day.
 

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Selfsame: Life comes from the feminine. The myth that the male war god of the desert was created by men to subjugate the divine feminine. The Koran, the Bible and the Torah are made up bullshit to control people and have no basis in reality. If there was a creator god, she was a goddess, not a god. I realize this will probably make your head implode and you will start shouting how your god is going to make me burn in hell, but, I'm sorry, if there is a hell, you will be the one burning for pushing your nonsense and threatening people with retribution.
The Abrahamic religions are a hoax. Have a good day.

Stop being so bigoted you racist asshole. Leave the poor Muslims alone. They don't need you're hatred
 

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And you think "Allah did it" explains anything? That just avoids having to explain anything by saying it's supernatural and no further explanation is possible or necessary. I don't know why I keep trying to explain anything to you, you've decided to stay relentlessly ignorant.

How many times I explain it to you, and you insist on your denial, so go and perish as a disbeliever ... you are not that smart.
The ignorant are you in fact, when you ignore the obvious wisdom and might of God's creation in the universe;

And yes, it is God Almighty Who created everything with His might and wisdom ... the denial and stubbornness of the atheist will profit him nothing other than frustration, failure and regret in the end, when regret will not avail him anything (there will be no return once again to the life of the World so as he may correct his wrong ideas.)

Selfsame: Life comes from the feminine. The myth that the male war god of the desert was created by men to subjugate the divine feminine. The Koran, the Bible and the Torah are made up bullshit to control people and have no basis in reality. If there was a creator god, she was a goddess, not a god. I realize this will probably make your head implode and you will start shouting how your god is going to make me burn in hell, but, I'm sorry, if there is a hell, you will be the one burning for pushing your nonsense and threatening people with retribution.
The Abrahamic religions are a hoax. Have a good day.

Your words are the hoax like the eye of your tiger. :laughing6:

 

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And you think "Allah did it" explains anything? That just avoids having to explain anything by saying it's supernatural and no further explanation is possible or necessary. I don't know why I keep trying to explain anything to you, you've decided to stay relentlessly ignorant.
Saying 'You're wrong' in many words is not an explanation of anything. What is being promoted as being supernatural in that it conflicts with physics. Noah's flood was predicted 100 years ahead of it's time. Perhaps they had better weather forecasters and a climatic change was happening anyway. (like the end of the ice-age) The water involved in a global flood would have raised the ocean by 5 ft if the water came from the ice. The oceans have risen 450 ft over the last 20,000 years.
If science is followed then the 360 days back then would be referencing 360,000 years, the time a major ice-age lasts. In that time water would have come to a desert and the amount of rain per year would allow the Dead Sea to be a body of fresh water. Supernatural would be if just the garden area got moisture and not the rest of the surrounding area. Following natural cycles before they were know and putting the facts down in such a way that may generations miss the whole point of the book yet the last generations to be affected by events mentioned in the book are in the best position to make sense out of the book.

Fact, the verse below would cover all the land areas of the whole earth, true or false??

Re:6:8:
And I looked,
and behold a pale horse:
and his name that sat on him was Death,
and Hell followed with him.
And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth,
to kill with sword,
and with hunger,
and with death,
and with the beasts of the earth.

Re:8:13:
And I beheld,
and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven,
saying with a loud voice,
Woe,
woe,
woe,
to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound!