Canadians Among Least-Taxed People In Developed World

[Jinentonix]

This "revenue neutral" idea is really a misnomer as it still generates revenue. I don't know how it works in other provinces that have such things, but in Alberta it is an income redistribution scheme, how much of it the government keeps is anyone's guess. In any case, it will never be "revenue neutral", even if the government gives it back elsewhere because they get to decide who to give it back to.


Another kicker, in AB at least, is that the carbon levy is taxable, yeah, really. They tack on GST to the tax.

Taxing and spending and income redistribution is not what revenue neutral means. Revenue neutral means that you reduce or eliminate taxes by the same amount that in this case the carbon tax rate would be. Let's say for example that the tax rate is 6%. To make it revenue neutral you could reduce the personal income tax liability by the same amount. OR since carbon taxes are also essentially a form of consumption tax, scrap the HST or the PST portion of the HST if the taxation is at the provincial level.

OK, so you choose to start throwing around BS and insults, rather than answer a politely-phrased question.

Remember, you chose the road. Therefore. . .

I see you're one of those morons who think "the gol-dang gummint" is a-stealin' yer munny and stackin' it up in a big ol' secret underground vault!

Too bad. When you feel like being rational, you're worth talking to.

I was. I've even stated that I have no issue with taxes. I have issues with the irresponsible way they are implemented and spent. But that wasn't f*cking good enough for you was it?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I was. I've even stated that I have no issue with taxes. I have issues with the irresponsible way they are implemented and spent. But that wasn't f*cking good enough for you was it?

So. . . can you propose a solution? I can think of four that seem reasonably possible:

1. Vote for a party that promises what you consider better use of taxes (easiest, but unlikely to produce more than fractional success).

2. Get into politics yourself, and work to change whatever party you choose to be more in line with your notions of how it should be (big effort, success likely to be partial at best).

3. Start a new party and bring people around to your view (enormous effort, very low likelihood of success, but it has been done).

4. Grab a flag and a rifle and get stuck in (gigantic effort, real danger, vanishingly small likelihood of success, but again, it has been done).

On an unrelated matter. . . know anything about bullpups?

 

[captain morgan]

I was. I've even stated that I have no issue with taxes. I have issues with the irresponsible way they are implemented and spent. But that wasn't f*cking good enough for you was it?

This is the crux of the issue... The responsible use of funds as per the best interests of the majority of the population. Far to often, we have seen the gvt in power raid the Treasury for the purpose of buying the votes from a vocal (minority) interest group.

The Carbon tax reference is excellent... Essentially a consumption tax that is parallel to GST/PST to thye point that it is effectively the same thing.

Regrettably, gvts that have no discipline use the tax system as a mechanism to hold onto power rather than as a functional tool for the benefit of society

 

[TenPenny]

Governments provide programs that 'the people' want.

 

[captain morgan]

Governments provide programs that 'the people' want.

Like billions to one single entity like Bombardier, year over year over year?

I don't seem to recall the people voting on that program

 

[Bar Sinister]

Already been discussed champ... But thanks for naming one whole corp off the top of your head.

... Take a look at Bermuda, the number of high value corps ~ that pay taxes into a small population ~ far outstrip your puny example many times over.

That said, please prove your point by moving to Norway (or where ever) and living the life of Riley.

As Petros said, you basically don't have a clue

Bermuda? Could you produce a more pathetic example than a tax haven that is ranked 179th in the world in exports?

And I live in a democracy, I don't have to move anywhere. What a feeble comeback. You really are completely out of your depth when it comes to intelligent discussion.

 

[Walter]

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[B00Mer]

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Blah, blah, blah.. what do YOU call it Wally.. Fake News..

 

[PoliticalNick]

We have one of the largest economies in the world with a comparatively small population. That would mean our personal tax burden would be much higher to account for the same percentage of GDP than a more populous nation. It is completely misleading.

 

[taxslave]

Nope. Not a single one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Nordic_companies

Atlas Copco? Volvo?

Governments provide programs that 'the people' want.

But not necessarily the taxpayer.

Bermuda? Could you produce a more pathetic example than a tax haven that is ranked 179th in the world in exports?

And I live in a democracy, I don't have to move anywhere. What a feeble comeback. You really are completely out of your depth when it comes to intelligent discussion.

What country do you live in? Canada is a kleptocracy.

 

[captain morgan]

Atlas Copco? Volvo?



But not necessarily the taxpayer.


What country do you live in? Canada is a kleptocracy.

What buddy doesn't get about a place like Bermuda is that those big companies with tiny offices there kick-in a huge amount into the tax base of the country.

Somehow, he equates exports with the benefit as opposed to the actual cash, it's guys like him that don't have a clue about how impacting it is when a high value industry leaves a jurisdiction

 

[justlooking]

Obviously you've never heard of Ikea. Or any of these.

Tsk tsk, your ignorance is showing.

IKEA is one of the best examples of how companies can get around the tax structures in Europe.

It is registered in the Netherlands with the same status as a charity. :lol:
Then money flows through Luxembourg and Liechtenstein.
Then swish, money gone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA#Corporate_structure

And please don't think they are the only ones doing it.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Tsk tsk, your ignorance is showing.

IKEA is one of the best examples of how companies can get around the tax structures in Europe.

It is registered in the Netherlands with the same status as a charity. :lol:
Then money flows through Luxembourg and Liechtenstein.
Then swish, money gone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA#Corporate_structure

And please don't think they are the only ones doing it.

Looks like you missed the point of my post. I was pointing out that there are lots of major businesses located in Nordic nations. Your post does nothing to disprove that.

 

[justlooking]

Looks like you missed the point of my post. I was pointing out that there are lots of major businesses located in Nordic nations. Your post does nothing to disprove that.

IKEA isn't located / headquarted in a Nordic country.
It only looks that way.

 

[Walter]

The OP is full of crap.

 

[mentalfloss]

The OP is full of crap.

So it's 100% fact then.

 

[captain morgan]

What a scathing retort.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Taxing and spending and income redistribution is not what revenue neutral means. Revenue neutral means that you reduce or eliminate taxes by the same amount that in this case the carbon tax rate would be. Let's say for example that the tax rate is 6%. To make it revenue neutral you could reduce the personal income tax liability by the same amount. OR since carbon taxes are also essentially a form of consumption tax, scrap the HST or the PST portion of the HST if the taxation is at the provincial level.

No, revenue neutral is a government obfuscation term meant to baffle us into believing there is such a thing, which there isn't. They may well lower other taxes but they are still generating revenue. The other thing is, for example, as an Alberta resident paying BC's tax on gas I receive no benefit, (however the gas price in Prince George last weekend was the same as in Hinton), but we'll see how long it takes for the new BC government to start to use it as an income re-distribution vehicle. I know what you are saying but there has to be a more honest way of labelling a tax that is primarily just another social engineering project, but governments just don't work that way.

 

[taxslave]

Taxes are ment to redistribute income from the productive members of society to government employees. Any programs that reach their stated goal are merely a fringe benefit.

 

[Bar Sinister]

IKEA isn't located / headquarted in a Nordic country.
It only looks that way.

Doesn't matter. Some major corporations have their HQs in places like Lichtenstein. It doesn't mean that they originated there. Also Ikea was just an example. There were dozens of other major companies listed in the link that went with my original post.