Canadians Among Least-Taxed People In Developed World

Jinentonix

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This is why people don't need to be afraid of a carbon tax.

We're set for life.
God you're an idiot. Carbon taxes are fine when they are revenue neutral. None of the carbon taxes in Canada are revenue neutral. They are simply a tax grab. The Liberal policy of tax and piss it away on nothing doesn't really set us for life.
 

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God you're an idiot. Carbon taxes are fine when they are revenue neutral. None of the carbon taxes in Canada are revenue neutral. They are simply a tax grab. The Liberal policy of tax and piss it away on nothing doesn't really set us for life.
Why not tax carbon? We tax land. We tax income. We tax goods. Y'all tax services. We tax thumbs. What difference does it make what the source or the basis of the tax is? It's always gonna be unfair, because the term "fair" has no functional definition.
 

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ummm...source:
The Broadbent Institute is Canada’s leading progressive, independent organization championing change through the promotion of democracy, equality, and sustainability and the training of a new generation of leaders.
Broadbent Institute

We cannot allow Trump-style, self-serving politicians to run for the highest office in our country without a fight. We’ve got to stand up and say NO to the xenophobic and divisive politics of fear.
https://broadbent.nationbuilder.com/friends_of_progress

While I don't think the graph is problematic, MF might like the overall site.


That institute is nothing more than a troublemaking socialist think tank, (if socialists can actually think). For those who don't remember, Ed Broadbent was the NDP leader when Turdeau номер один was PM. Our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, such that it is, was derived from the 1960 Bill of Rights. However, PET required Ed's support, and for that the original right to own and enjoy private property was deliberately omitted, the thought being that no one can be truly free or have power if they cannot own property the government can legally relieve them of.


I wouldn't say the stats they produce are entirely fictitious, but there is definitely confirmation bias on their part in anything they publish.
 

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Why not tax carbon? We tax land. We tax income. We tax goods. Y'all tax services. We tax thumbs. What difference does it make what the source or the basis of the tax is? It's always gonna be unfair, because the term "fair" has no functional definition.
Who said not to? I said carbon taxes are fine when they are revenue neutral. Every economist on the planet will tell you that Canada's version of carbon taxation is 100% tax grab and nothing more.
And why the big stink about CO2 anyway if we're merely increasing methane emissions to make up for the lack consistent generation from "green" energy?
 

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Who said not to? I said carbon taxes are fine when they are revenue neutral. Every economist on the planet will tell you that Canada's version of carbon taxation is 100% tax grab and nothing more.
And why the big stink about CO2 anyway if we're merely increasing methane emissions to make up for the lack consistent generation from "green" energy?


This "revenue neutral" idea is really a misnomer as it still generates revenue. I don't know how it works in other provinces that have such things, but in Alberta it is an income redistribution scheme, how much of it the government keeps is anyone's guess. In any case, it will never be "revenue neutral", even if the government gives it back elsewhere because they get to decide who to give it back to.


Another kicker, in AB at least, is that the carbon levy is taxable, yeah, really. They tack on GST to the tax.
 

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That institute is nothing more than a troublemaking socialist think tank, (if socialists can actually think). For those who don't remember, Ed Broadbent was the NDP leader when Turdeau номер один was PM. Our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, such that it is, was derived from the 1960 Bill of Rights. However, PET required Ed's support, and for that the original right to own and enjoy private property was deliberately omitted, the thought being that no one can be truly free or have power if they cannot own property the government can legally relieve them of.


I wouldn't say the stats they produce are entirely fictitious, but there is definitely confirmation bias on their part in anything they publish.



Just because they are a socialist think tank doesn't mean they're wrong all the time.


With your attitude, I assume you deliberately refuse all health care and government services, do you?
 

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Who said not to? I said carbon taxes are fine when they are revenue neutral. Every economist on the planet will tell you that Canada's version of carbon taxation is 100% tax grab and nothing more.
And why the big stink about CO2 anyway if we're merely increasing methane emissions to make up for the lack consistent generation from "green" energy?
What is a "tax grab?"

Seriously, I get that you've got your panties in a bunch over global warming, or climate change, or whatever you want to call it. But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about taxes. Are not all taxes "tax grabs?" And do not all taxes come back into the economy as spending?
 

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Just because they are a socialist think tank doesn't mean they're wrong all the time.


With your attitude, I assume you deliberately refuse all health care and government services, do you?


It doesn't mean they're right either. Why would I refuse to ride the bus if I were required to buy a bus pass? Not much difference there. We pay for the services to use them, I pay over $4K/yr for private insurance and I use that too, so that's not my issue. My issue is that we've gone way beyond that in the use of taxes as a means for income re-distribution and government empire building.
 

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It doesn't mean they're right either. Why would I refuse to ride the bus if I were required to buy a bus pass? Not much difference there. We pay for the services to use them, I pay over $4K/yr for private insurance and I use that too, so that's not my issue. My issue is that we've gone way beyond that in the use of taxes as a means for income re-distribution and government empire building.
Now THAT makes sense. You have no particular problem with taxes, you just don't like the ways in which and the purposes for which they're spent (and presumably cutting down on that would also lower taxes). Perfectly legitimate exercise of your political thinking.
 

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I do love one of Finland's methods of earning revenues though. If you receive a fine, the amount is based on your ability to pay, ie; income. For example, the largest speeding fine ever handed out was in Finland at $715,000 USD.

There's an old saying up here in Northern Ontario, "A Frenchman does it better, until the Finlander shows up!!!".
 

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Now THAT makes sense. You have no particular problem with taxes, you just don't like the ways in which and the purposes for which they're spent (and presumably cutting down on that would also lower taxes). Perfectly legitimate exercise of your political thinking.


Yeah, that's pretty much it in a nutshell, imagine how far our taxes would go if all the fluff ministries and departments were retired. I'm sure the US has its share of those too. But they're partly the result of the empire building I was referring to. Don't get me started on the other waste like buying and trying to fix mothballed subs that the UK couldn't give away.
 

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In many countries, Canada included, that is not an insult.

Obviously you've never heard of Ikea. Or any of these.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Nordic_companies

Already been discussed champ... But thanks for naming one whole corp off the top of your head.

... Take a look at Bermuda, the number of high value corps ~ that pay taxes into a small population ~ far outstrip your puny example many times over.

That said, please prove your point by moving to Norway (or where ever) and living the life of Riley.

As Petros said, you basically don't have a clue
 

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Yeah, that's pretty much it in a nutshell, imagine how far our taxes would go if all the fluff ministries and departments were retired. I'm sure the US has its share of those too. But they're partly the result of the empire building I was referring to. Don't get me started on the other waste like buying and trying to fix mothballed subs that the UK couldn't give away.
I've always thought the most valuable government employee is the auditor.
 

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What is a "tax grab?"

Seriously, I get that you've got your panties in a bunch over global warming, or climate change, or whatever you want to call it. But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about taxes. Are not all taxes "tax grabs?" And do not all taxes come back into the economy as spending?
Wow, what fairy dust farting unicorn did you ride in on?
 

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Wow, what fairy dust farting unicorn did you ride in on?
OK, so you choose to start throwing around BS and insults, rather than answer a politely-phrased question.

Remember, you chose the road. Therefore. . .

I see you're one of those morons who think "the gol-dang gummint" is a-stealin' yer munny and stackin' it up in a big ol' secret underground vault!

Too bad. When you feel like being rational, you're worth talking to.