Venezuela’s collapse and the ‘useful idiots’ of the Canadian left

[Blackleaf]

Jeremy Corbyn’s Caracas to think a ‘socialist utopia’ helps the poor — as socialism is always the same story

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/41576...zuela-socialist-utopia-daniel-hannan-opinion/

 

[Jinentonix]

He was in power for awhile so the news papers would have a record of what was being said about him before little issues like starting a WW and other bad things. Ben Freedman promotes that Germany had it pretty good as did the Jews who were living there in roles that would be considered to be 'important'. It's on vid so it can't be denied that those are accurate recollections of the conditions back then. The US was still doing business with Germany well into the war while supplying arms and aid to England, . . . again.

I'm not talking pre-war. Christ, how old do you think I am? :lol:
If you take a look at the context of my post and to what I was responding, I'm talking a little more contemporary. It's easy to see why Hitler wasn't castigated right from the get-go. His plans for the Jews hadn't come to fruition yet, or at least weren't obvious. He got the German economy rolling and the German people had living wage jobs again. He broke down economic class barriers, well, for the "common man" anyway. At that time, Germany much like Britain, was still heavily invested in the caste system.
So at the beginning, it's easy to see why other world leaders would have had good things to say about him. I'm pretty sure if you polled those same world leaders in June 1945 they'd have an entirely different opinion of him though.

However my point was, after the war and more importantly during my lifetime, I have never heard a Canadian Conservative praise Hitler as a great human being and for the fine job he did of utterly destroying his own country.

The US engineered the rise of the fascist government in the Ukraine and supplied and financed the war with the Russian nationals wanting to join back with Russia. The US has blood on its hands on this one as well as every other regime change they ever got involved in.

That...is...hilarious coming from a guy who constantly whines about Whitey stealing Native land.
But it's okay for the Russians to take someone else's land away. Is it because Ukrainians are White so you just don't care at this point?

 

[Blackleaf]

Coffee House Steerpike

John McDonnell’s words on Venezuela come back to haunt him

Steerpike
3 August 2017
The Spectator

As Jeremy Corbyn tries to enjoy his summer holiday, the Labour leader is under increasing pressure to speak out against the Venezuelan regime. With opposition leaders under arrest and mass protests ongoing, the Labour leader has so far kept shtum on the regime he previously lauded as showing a ‘better way of doing things’.

So, why the silence among Labour’s top command? It can’t be that they don’t think Venezuelan politics to be of interest. As David Aaronovitch notes in today’s Times, there was a time when Corbyn’s comrade John McDonnell compelled every MP to step up and talk about the country’s regime.

Speaking at the Hands Off Venezuela national conference in London back in 2007, McDonnell pledged to make solidarity with the Bolivarian revolution an issue that ‘no MP would be allowed to dodge’.

Who’s dodging the issue now?

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/08/john-mcdonnells-words-on-venezuela-come-back-to-haunt-him/

 

[MHz]

You need to learn a bit more about the Russification program instituted by the Russians in the Ukraine and every other territory that Russia acquired by force. There is a lot to it, but reading a little bit of this Britannica article will give you a better idea. A very short summary would be to point out that the reason there are so many Russians in Ukraine is because the USSR and previous Russian regimes put them there in order to give Russia a claim to the region.

Russification

social policy

https://www.britannica.com/event/Russification

The coup was a US program rather than it being a Russian plot dummy.

 

[Jinentonix]

That...is...hilarious coming from a guy who constantly whines about Whitey stealing Native land.
But it's okay for the Russians to take someone else's land away. Is it because Ukrainians are White so you just don't care at this point?

And just to prove I can admit when I'm wrong, it turns out justlooking is absolutely correct. The Ukraine was originally Russian. So I apologize to you Cliffy, for this one anyway. I was wrong. :tard:

 

[justlooking]

John McDonnell’s words on Venezuela

Meh, I can find better. :lol:


Diane Abbott claims elections in crisis-hit Venezuela are CLEANER and FAIRER than ones in Britain

• Labour MP also said the Venezuelan elections process was better than the US'
• Diane Abbott was seen talking to the Venezuelan Solidarity Campaign in 2012
• Her speech was recorded, and she can be heard praising the democratic process
• More than 100 people have died on the streets in Venezuela amid brutal uprising

Read more: Diane Abbott claims Venezuelan elections better than UK's | Daily Mail Online

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[taxslave]

The US engineered the rise of the fascist government in the Ukraine and supplied and financed the war with the Russian nationals wanting to join back with Russia. The US has blood on its hands on this one as well as every other regime change they ever got involved in.

Nice alternative to reality.

And just to prove I can admit when I'm wrong, it turns out justlooking is absolutely correct. The Ukraine was originally Russian. So I apologize to you Cliffy, for this one anyway. I was wrong. :tard:

It was only Russian by force.

How many left leaning governments on earth have been bombed machine gunned gased raped and pillaged by the Unitied States of America and then had thier system of government blamed for thier condition. About two hundred plus, all those ghosts are sharpening thier knives, it could be the greatest slaughter of this new century,. The rape of the United States of America. Who would weep? No one.

US Regime Change in Venezuela: The Truth Is Easy if You Follow the Money Trail. The Opposition is Pro-Washington, Not “Pro-Democracy”

The nation of Venezuela is currently under the control of Venezuelans who derive their support, wealth, and power from Venezuela itself – its people and its natural resource. This political order also receives aid and support from Venezuela’s economic and military partners both in the region and around the globe.
The opposition opposed to the current political order and seeking to supplant it represents foreign interests and more specifically, the United States and its European allies.
The Opposition is Pro-Washington, Not “Pro-Democracy”
As early as 2002, US-backed regime change targeting then Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez, sought to violently overthrow Venezuela’s political order and replace it with one obedient to Washington. Current leaders of the opposition were not only involved in the 2002 failed coup, many are documented to have received political and financial support from the United States government ever since.

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You must read the same alternative to reality dogma cliffy reads.

 

[justlooking]

It was only Russian by force.

Sorry, no.

You have to start reading about the Kievan Rus,
And the East Slav State of around 1000 BC, the first real political organization
of a nation state in that area. This expanded into what is now Russia.
So, you see Ukraine is Russia.

What we call Ukraine was occupied by Poland, or Lithuania, or the Ottomans, or the Russians
and for a while by the Austrians from 1200 to WW1.

Ukraine as a country did not exist until 1917, and then was folded into the USSR.
Then the Russians did send a lot of ethnic Russians into that area, as it was inhabited by lots of non Russian stock.
They did this with every Republic in the USSR.

 

[darkbeaver]

You need to learn a bit more about the Russification program instituted by the Russians in the Ukraine and every other territory that Russia acquired by force. There is a lot to it, but reading a little bit of this Britannica article will give you a better idea. A very short summary would be to point out that the reason there are so many Russians in Ukraine is because the USSR and previous Russian regimes put them there in order to give Russia a claim to the region.

Russification

social policy

https://www.britannica.com/event/Russification

britanica.com is not history.

 

[bill barilko]

You have to admit the Kremlin's flunkies are right on every Ukrainian thread on the net spewing Putin's crap left, right and centre-if there's a lie they haven't told just wait a minute.

Of course they're just hired hacks trying to make a living and if deep down they hate themselves for being vermin it's understandable.

 

[darkbeaver]

You have to admit the Kremlin's flunkies are right on every Ukrainian thread on the net spewing Putin's crap left, right and centre-if there's a lie they haven't told just wait a minute.

Of course they're just hired hacks trying to make a living and if deep down they hate themselves for being vermin it's understandable.

And you don't hate yourself for being vermin?

Wrong. The picture is extremely dumb. How many did the US kill in the Ukraine?

Under several conventions, all of the Ukranian dead since the coup are American kills.

 

[bill barilko]

And you don't hate yourself for being vermin?

Quite unlike you my ethnicity is Ukrainian and I'm fluent in the language/have more background knowledge of the people and politics than you could absorb in 40 lifetimes.

 

[Jinentonix]

You have to admit the Kremlin's flunkies are right on every Ukrainian thread on the net spewing Putin's crap left, right and centre-if there's a lie they haven't told just wait a minute.

Of course they're just hired hacks trying to make a living and if deep down they hate themselves for being vermin it's understandable.

Your argument is with anthropology and archaeology, not ideology.

Quite unlike you my ethnicity is Ukrainian and I'm fluent in the language/have more background knowledge of the people and politics than you could absorb in 40 lifetimes.

And yet you happily live on land that the original occupants were relived of through conquest. Ain't irony a bytch?

 

[taxslave]

Your argument is with anthropology and archaeology, not ideology.


And yet you happily live on land that the original occupants were relived of through conquest. Ain't irony a bytch?

But they was jus squatting here waiting fer us tu come and get it.

 

[Bar Sinister]

umm, Ukraine is the ancestral home of things Russian.

Again, Ukraine is Russia, but it seems the social policy.. worked.

I suggest you look up the history of Ukraine. It was a major power while the Russians were still living in log huts on the banks of the Moscow River. Look up "Kievan Rus" and see what you find. What historians think of as a Russia centred on Moscow did not develop until three hundred years later, after the Mongol invasions.

The coup was a US program rather than it being a Russian plot dummy.

Dummy? I'm not the one who can't read. I made no reference to the ousting of the pro-Russian leadership of Ukraine. I just pointed out that Ukraine has Russians mixed into its population as a result of a deliberate policy of Russification.

 

[bill barilko]

And yet you happily live on land that the original occupants were relived of through conquest.

Define 'original'-in fact every incoming tribe extirpated anyone they found the history of the 'New World' is slaughter after slaughter after slaughter.

OK maybe I shouldn't have used extirpated since slave keeping was widespread and if you kill everyone in sight who's going to chop wood/carry water/take it up the azz?

Of course rape, murder, & pillage are the story of the human race and the cannibalism practised here wasn't any worse than any other neolithic hellhole.

 

[Colpy]

You'll be back. No one can leave. I've left this forum like 5 times.

Resistance is futile.

You will be assimilated.

The canary in the coal mine.

Venezuela bans private gun ownership - BBC News

 

[Walter]

Venezuela bans private gun ownership - BBC News

The dream of all progressives is to have the gubmint in control of all guns.