Study: Humans arrived in North America much earlier than first thought

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Study: Humans arrived in North America much earlier than first thought
Malcolm Ritter, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First posted: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 04:25 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 04:32 PM EDT
NEW YORK — A startling new report asserts that the first known Americans arrived much, much earlier than scientists thought — more than 100,000 years ago —— and maybe they were Neanderthals.
If true, the finding would far surpass the widely accepted date of about 15,000 years ago.
Researchers say a site in Southern California shows evidence of humanlike behaviour from about 130,000 years ago, when bones and teeth of an elephantlike mastodon were evidently smashed with rocks.
The earlier date means the bone-smashers were not necessarily members of our own species, Homo sapiens. The researchers speculate that these early Californians could have instead been species known only from fossils in Europe, Africa and Asia: Neanderthals, a little-known group called Denisovans, or another human forerunner named Homo erectus.
“The very honest answer is, we don’t know,” said Steven Holen, lead author of the paper and director of the non-profit Center for American Paleolithic Research in Hot Springs, South Dakota. No remains of any individuals were found.
Whoever they were, they could have arrived by land or sea. They might have come from Asia via the Beringea land bridge that used to connect Siberia to Alaska, or maybe come across by watercraft along the Beringea coast or across open water to North America, before turning southward to California, Holen said in a telephone interview.
Holen and others present their evidence in a paper released Wednesday by the journal Nature . Not surprisingly, the report was met by skepticism from other experts who don’t think there is enough proof.
The research dates back to the winter of 1992-3. The site was unearthed during a routine dig by researchers during a freeway expansion project in San Diego. Analysis of the find was delayed to assemble the right expertise, said Tom Demere, curator of paleontology at the San Diego Natural History Museum, another author of the paper.
The Nature analysis focuses on remains from a single mastodon, and five stones found nearby. The mastodon’s bones and teeth were evidently placed on two stones used as anvils and smashed with three stone hammers, to get at nutritious marrow and create raw material for tools.
Patterns of damage on the limb bones looked like what happened in experiments when elephant bones were smashed with rocks. And the bones and stones were found in two areas, each roughly centred on what’s thought to be an anvil.
The stones measured about 8 inches (20 centimetres) to 12 inches (30 centimetres) long and weighed up to 32 pounds (14.5 kilograms). They weren’t hand-crafted tools, Demere said. The users evidently found them and brought them to the site.
The excavation also found a mastodon tusk in a vertical position, extending down into older layers, which may indicate it had been jammed into the ground as a marker or to create a platform, Demere said.
The fate of the visitors is not clear. Maybe they died out without leaving any descendants, he said.
Experts not connected with the study provided a range of reactions.
“If the results stand up to further scrutiny, this does indeed change everything we thought we knew,” said Chris Stringer of the Natural History Museum in London. Neanderthals and Denisovans are the most likely identities of the visitors, he said. Denisovans, more closely related to Neanderthals than to us, are known from fossils found in a Siberian cave.
But “many of us will want to see supporting evidence of this ancient occupation from other sites, before we abandon the conventional model of a first arrival by modern humans within the last 15,000 years,” he wrote in an email.
Erella Hovers of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and the Institute of Human Origins at Arizona State University in Tempe, who wrote a commentary accompanying the work, said in an email that the archaeological interpretation seemed convincing. Some other experts said the age estimate appears sound.
But some were skeptical that the rocks were really used as tools. Vance Holliday of the University of Arizona in Tucson said the paper shows the bones could have been broken the way the authors assert, but they haven’t demonstrated that’s the only way.
Richard Potts of the Smithsonian Institution’s National Museum of Natural History, said he doesn’t reject the paper’s claims outright, but he finds the evidence “not yet solid.” For one thing, the dig turned up no basic stone cutting tools or evidence of butchery or the use of fire, as one might expect from Homo sapiens or our close evolutionary relatives.
The lead author, Holen, told reporters Tuesday that he and co-authors were ready for such criticism.
“We expected skepticism because of the extremely old age of this site,” he said. “I think we made a very good case.”
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130,000 years ago would put them in an ice-age that should have lasted about 400,000 years. If food was easier to get and no shortages were the rule then men would have grown to a larger size by that factor alone. The larger nose would be a sign that their breathing was better in an atmosphere that was O2 rich thanks to the plant life and being 400ft lower also means the air was denser so more O2 came in with each breath.

If they ruled during that time perhaps they built rafts and floated from a forested North Africa to Central America and they branched off to the north and south. The ones that went north died out as the climate changed and the green belt became the desert belt

The ones that went south would have lasted longer and eventually floated as far west as Australia.

The old earth creation model as the sun casting light on a rotating earth about 4B years ago. The god particle enters the picture when powers of 10 are needed to explain how the creation process happened that got us from there to 4,000BC when Adam and Eve were exiled from the garden.

I thought you should know that as the version you are referencing has some insanity involved with how that is supposed to have worked. Perhaps this will help you. The 1,000 years for 1 day that you are using is days in a week rather than hours in a day. Time in a weeks is sideways, 4,000BC becomes 40,000BC when you move from the end of the 7th day to the end of the 6th day. Continue to add one zero in the 1,000 column until you are at the end of day 1 in 4,000,000,000BC. Day 2 ended in 400,000,000BC, day 3 ended in 40,000,000BC and day 4 and 5 in 4,000,000BC and 400,000BC respectively.

The switch to the book being understandable to our generation is gathering believers as they get to discuss the book in more detail with the Clergy explaining what the books is supposed to mean. What they preach and what the book preaches makes them liars in it's most basic terms. That is one of the signs that must happen before the return can take place and the falling away from the truth already happened by about 400AD and the creation of the Latin Bible.
Today a person has the option of reading the material for yourself so you do not have to reply on the opinions of others to have support for a certain viewpoint over a different one.
 

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So does this mean First Nations were the first humans in the Americas, or did they take it over from another civilization? ;)
Humans evolved on the American continent just as they did everywhere else. People arrived, people left. We are all mutts.
 

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Dating anything from quackademic noncatostrophic perspectives is insane speculation, C-14 isn't stable anywhere but in a shielded lab. The bones might be ten thousand or a million years old. The uniformitarian lunatics have had thier day, forget about them, they ain't credible. As far as history goes last weeks news is unreliable, multiply that by a thousaand years and you're left totally in the dark. The quackademics mission is to make everything comform to thier uniformitarian agenda. Thier paychecks depend on it.
Less than a thousand years ago earths year was counted at 360 days all over the world.
 

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This is only deduction which I and some of my friends discussed before (Our discussion was based on the explanation of the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible) :

There are four human races: the black, the yellow, the red and the white races.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_four_human_races
<quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_four_human_races>

Adam was the father of the white race: the last one of these human races.
His children married some daughters of the other races, and his daughters were given in marriage to the sons of the other races.

Deduction: so almost there should have been the creation of at least two races at the same time .. in order that the sons and daughters would not marry their sisters and brothers.

The continents were about separate worlds at that time, like the planets now.
The African in Africa were created
The Chinese in Asia
The Red Indians in America

If we say the African are the oldest among these races, then another race is almost created together with them.
They should have been created near to each other .. so that they could reach to each other (the journey across such continents would be very long at that time) - this is also a deduction based on the explanation of the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible.

Red Indians also might have been created in an area (about) near to the African or the Chinese?

So (although many people believe dogmatically in the theory of Darwin, which is wrong) .. God created a man (or a boy .. an older boy .. a lad .. say in the teenage ??? this is a deduction only) and a girl created to be his wife in the same grave or in a nearby grave from decayed man's corpse in that dark grave.

Also a deduction: Adam and Eve might have been created in their teenage or about that; they were not aware of the sex, then they saw the animals do such sex; Abu Abd Allah said the underlined words to me .. then their clothes were torn by the spike of the balckberry tree (a spiky tree used nowadays as a fence of gardens to prevent animals and thieves from getting inside the garden or field.)

http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_creation_of_Adam_and_Eve
<quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_creation_of_Adam_and_Eve>

http://www.quran-ayat.com/retort/index.htm#Creating_Man_from_Clay
<quran-ayat.com/retort/index.htm#Creating_Man_from_Clay>
 
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I have no trouble believing that we are a much older and more dispursed species than we thought. We haven't been looking for these clues here because "everybody knows" that there is nothing older than the Clovis culture, here. Why does everybody know that? Because it was declared to be a "fact" a century ago and all sorts of subsequent archaeology has been ignored because it contradicted the "fact".
 

darkbeaver

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This is only deduction which I and some of my friends discussed before (Our discussion was based on the explanation of the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible) :

There are four human races: the black, the yellow, the red and the white races.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_four_human_races
<quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_four_human_races>

Adam was the father of the white race: the last one of these human races.
His children married some daughters of the other races, and his daughters were given in marriage to the sons of the other races.

Deduction: so almost there should have been the creation of at least two races at the same time .. in order that the sons and daughters would not marry their sisters and brothers.

The continents were about separate worlds at that time, like the planets now.
The African in Africa were created
The Chinese in Asia
The Red Indians in America

If we say the African are the oldest among these races, then another race is almost created together with them.
They should have been created near to each other .. so that they could reach to each other (the journey across such continents would be very long at that time) - this is also a deduction based on the explanation of the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible.

Red Indians also might have been created in an area (about) near to the African or the Chinese?

So (although many people believe dogmatically in the theory of Darwin, which is wrong) .. God created a man (or a boy .. an older boy .. a lad .. say in the teenage ??? this is a deduction only) and a girl created to be his wife in the same grave or in a nearby grave from decayed man's corpse in that dark grave.

Also a deduction: Adam and Eve might have been created in their teenage or about that; they were not aware of the sex, then they saw the animals do such sex; Abu Abd Allah said the underlined words to me .. then their clothes were torn by the spike of the balckberry tree (a spiky tree used nowadays as a fence of gardens to prevent animals and thieves from getting inside the garden or field.)

http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_creation_of_Adam_and_Eve
<quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_creation_of_Adam_and_Eve>

http://www.quran-ayat.com/retort/index.htm#Creating_Man_from_Clay
<quran-ayat.com/retort/index.htm#Creating_Man_from_Clay>

There are two human races them that think and them that don't.
the light and the dark, the right and the left, the up and the down, p
 

darkbeaver

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This is only deduction which I and some of my friends discussed before (Our discussion was based on the explanation of the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible) :

There are four human races: the black, the yellow, the red and the white races.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_four_human_races
<quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_four_human_races>

Adam was the father of the white race: the last one of these human races.
His children married some daughters of the other races, and his daughters were given in marriage to the sons of the other races.

Deduction: so almost there should have been the creation of at least two races at the same time .. in order that the sons and daughters would not marry their sisters and brothers.

The continents were about separate worlds at that time, like the planets now.
The African in Africa were created
The Chinese in Asia
The Red Indians in America

If we say the African are the oldest among these races, then another race is almost created together with them.
They should have been created near to each other .. so that they could reach to each other (the journey across such continents would be very long at that time) - this is also a deduction based on the explanation of the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible.

Red Indians also might have been created in an area (about) near to the African or the Chinese?

So (although many people believe dogmatically in the theory of Darwin, which is wrong) .. God created a man (or a boy .. an older boy .. a lad .. say in the teenage ??? this is a deduction only) and a girl created to be his wife in the same grave or in a nearby grave from decayed man's corpse in that dark grave.

Also a deduction: Adam and Eve might have been created in their teenage or about that; they were not aware of the sex, then they saw the animals do such sex; Abu Abd Allah said the underlined words to me .. then their clothes were torn by the spike of the balckberry tree (a spiky tree used nowadays as a fence of gardens to prevent animals and thieves from getting inside the garden or field.)

http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_creation_of_Adam_and_Eve
<quran-ayat.com/universe/new_page_2.htm#The_creation_of_Adam_and_Eve>

http://www.quran-ayat.com/retort/index.htm#Creating_Man_from_Clay
<quran-ayat.com/retort/index.htm#Creating_Man_from_Clay>

There are two human races them that think and them that don't.
the light and the dark, the right and the left, the up and the down, p
 

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This is only deduction which I and some of my friends discussed before (Our discussion was based on the explanation of the interpreter of the Quran and the Bible) :

There is also the theory that is gaining steam that our genes were altered by visitors to our planet to make man smart enough to follow simple instructions to help with their labor force :)