French Election, 2017 - Official Thread

Johnnny

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet....

Why didn't electoral reform happen here in Canada?

Its because of examples like this which challenge the globalist agenda.

Canada is one of the few uncontested bastions of globalism left in the world... And the elites wanna keep it that way.
 

Curious Cdn

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet....

Why didn't electoral reform happen here in Canada?

Its because of examples like this which challenge the globalist agenda.

Canada is one of the few uncontested bastions of globalism left in the world... And the elites wanna keep it that way.

Yeah. Let's make it fascist and parochial like the rest of the world. Some regions are already there.
 

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Johnnny

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France elections: Macron-Le Pen through to run-off, projections say - BBC News

Le Pen and Macron advance to the finals. I quite like the French system of run-off elections. They should have a full tournament style bracket with like 20 candidates vying to make it to the final round and a loser's bracket so everyone gets a second chance.

Question.

You being the more knowlegable one about politics than a person like me for example, i always wanted to ask.

If we changed our electoral system, how closely could it have mirrored the french system? If we changed.

Im not being condescending, you actually know more about politics than i can comprhend. :p
 

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Round 2, between Macron and Le Pen, is on May 7, 2017.

 

taxslave

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Question.

You being the more knowlegable one about politics than a person like me for example, i always wanted to ask.

If we changed our electoral system, how closely could it have mirrored the french system? If we changed.

Im not being condescending, you actually know more about politics than i can comprhend. :p

That would be unlikely. However it would depend entirely what type of electoral system we go to. In our current system and as far as I know the ones proposed the leader of the party with the most votes would be leader of the country while the US and France and some other countries elect the leader independent of representitives. There are a good many possible ways to elect leaders and even representitives.
 

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The one thing that jumped out at me reading comments is 'Fascist run Canada"
Well that is interesting but not true. There is an illusion out there Fascism is a
left of center ideology when in fact it is a branch off the conservative tree. Fascism
is when conservatism runs a muck. Some equate the term National Socialism with
the left because of the word socialism. In fact there is two versions of socialism one
is left the other right wing.
Canada at the moment is governed by a center left government as opposed to a
center right under Harper. Harper was a social conservative but the party en mass
kept it from straying into what is currently in the USA chaos and whatever Trump is.

Now addressing what is happening in Europe not just France is not a wave of anti
Muslim rhetoric it is really a disguised wave of racism that is frustrated by the constraint
of left over political correctness. By that I mean the architects of the policy know they
can create anti Muslim hysteria but the can't bring people out in the streets to be racist.

What we need here is cooler heads to prevail or we will retreat all the way back to Nationalistic
fervor as it was pre WWII and that direction ultimately leads to war and in my view the forces
coming together are leading us into another major war and no one is taking it seriously just the
way they never considered the seriousness of events prior to the last world conflict.
 

Curious Cdn

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The one thing that jumped out at me reading comments is 'Fascist run Canada"
Well that is interesting but not true. There is an illusion out there Fascism is a
left of center ideology when in fact it is a branch off the conservative tree. Fascism
is when conservatism runs a muck. Some equate the term National Socialism with
the left because of the word socialism. In fact there is two versions of socialism one
is left the other right wing.
Canada at the moment is governed by a center left government as opposed to a
center right under Harper. Harper was a social conservative but the party en mass
kept it from straying into what is currently in the USA chaos and whatever Trump is.

Now addressing what is happening in Europe not just France is not a wave of anti
Muslim rhetoric it is really a disguised wave of racism that is frustrated by the constraint
of left over political correctness. By that I mean the architects of the policy know they
can create anti Muslim hysteria but the can't bring people out in the streets to be racist.

What we need here is cooler heads to prevail or we will retreat all the way back to Nationalistic
fervor as it was pre WWII and that direction ultimately leads to war and in my view the forces
coming together are leading us into another major war and no one is taking it seriously just the
way they never considered the seriousness of events prior to the last world conflict.

It's scary. You can almost smell it in the air. This is by no means the only dangerous period that I've experienced in my six decades but it is definitely quite dangerous, right now.
 

damngrumpy

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All these talking heads boasting we are better than someone else and they have to
trade the way we want and behave in a manner acceptable to us is the reason we
find ourselves slowly being painted into a corner. Nationalism, Racism, and so called
populism is propelling us into the most uncertain future the world has ever seen. You
can feel it in the air. I was born just after WWII. I was always interested in news and
events and I remember the 1956 Suez Canal conflict and everything from there to now
and we are on the eve of a major conflict and we don't grasp the significance the world
is not like it was seventy years ago. America boasting it is the best army is an unproven
statement for one thing. Secondly when the bully of the block for three generations is
finally in conflict with someone the other opponents decide to jump in and all hell breaks
loose. We saw what happened to Germany when it decided to take everyone on and
Japan and the events of Indo China, It started when France went back to Vietnam at the
end of WWII and it ended with a major conflict in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia and the
United States lost the entire region the little guys chipped away at the fabric of America.
Parts of South America, the Middle East and others are waiting for the mistake to be
made again and that gives us reason to pause and ask "What the hell are we doing"
North Korea for example, go in there, really the Chinese will defend them and we have
a conflict that has simmered for decades in full war mode millions dead and South Korea
is at risk. What would we go into Syria? Syria is a religious diverse nation in which many
Christians support the regime so what is our basis? The leader is a bad guy.. Well here
is a news flash every damn government in the Middle East is run by a bad guy by degree
including the one in Israel. The Middle East is the longest family feud in history and will
continue. Spend the money on education and medicare and we are all better off
 

Murphy

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I don't know where to start with that response. It's jumbled up.

"...we are on the eve of a major conflict and we don't grasp the significance the world is not like it was seventy years ago..."

The world is always changing. World leaders do grasp the significance of a changing world. That is why some countries continue to spar or flat out fight with others. Comparing now to WWII, technology has changed more than anything. Computers, the Internet, satellite television, communication and nukes.

What should be better, and has improved the most - communication - seems to have bogged down. Nations aren't talking. We don't communicate any better than 70 years ago, which is a gigantic failure. If we are on the eve of a major conflict, it should not come as a shock. No one is talking.

"...America boasting it is the best army is an unproven statement for one thing..."

I disagree. They are always involved in conflicts around the world and their troops are more seasoned and better trained than most. They test new wpns technology in actual combat and will use it when required.

'...Secondly when the bully of the block for three generations is finally in conflict with someone the other opponents decide to jump in and all hell breaks loose..."

What do you mean?

"... We saw what happened to Germany when it decided to take everyone on and Japan and the events of Indo China, It started when France went back to Vietnam at the end of WWII and it ended with a major conflict in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia and the United States lost the entire region the little guys chipped away at the fabric of America..."

Germany and Japan were about grabbing territory. The second part makes no sense to me. Little guys chipping away at the fabric of America?

"...North Korea for example, go in there, really the Chinese will defend them and we have a conflict that has simmered for decades in full war mode millions dead and South Korea is at risk..."

Trump's strategy seems to be to get China on board and get them to tell NK not to misbehave. I doubt the US is planning to invade NK. There's no reason to do so, and even if they were pals with China, the Chinese wouldn't like Americans on their back door. If you are a student of history, you will know that successive NK rulers have threatened war and always been given aid to shut them up. I believe that Trump is hoping fr more involvement from the Chinese. In short, having them tell NK to shut the hell up...or else. The 'or else' being a commitment from the Chinese to invade, should it become necessary.

"...What would we go into Syria? Syria is a religious diverse nation in which many Christians support the regime so what is our basis? The leader is a bad guy.. Well here is a news flash every damn government in the Middle East is run by a bad guy by degree including the one in Israel."

The ME is a rat's nest, but it's not about religion. It's not even about about Assad. It is having the Russians nosing around in the region. Assad's actions are an excuse IMO. I don't think anyone in the US cares if Assad gasses his own people. It's Russia and their attempts to find allies like Syria and Iran. Iran is one of the top oil producers in the region and friends with Syria.

The world continues to change. Right or wrong, world leaders are playing a game of chess and hoping that they can keep up with, and understand their opponents. Technology has definitely made it easier to destroy. For some reason, communication is just as pitiful as it was 70 years ago.

Communication is the key to understanding and resolution of conflict. The world is stuck in neutral there.
 
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Vbeacher

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Frexit, yup slowly the EU is being disbanded, and all because of the Forced Immigration and Refugee issues.

Australia Introduces ‘Values’ Test for Citizenship

Canadian Conservative's want a Values Test..

Not just conservatives. In a Toronto Star poll more than half of Liberal and NDP supporters also wanted a values test.

Whats got me the most is the fact that the Military is having to deploy 10s of thousands of troops in order to keep security and people safe.

Why?

Muslims.

Now addressing what is happening in Europe not just France is not a wave of anti
Muslim rhetoric it is really a disguised wave of racism that is frustrated by the constraint
of left over political correctness.

Oh bullshit. It's got nothing to do with racism. It's got to do with waves of mostly Muslim migrants coming from parochial religious cultures which denigrate non-Muslims, gays, women, and anyone who doesn't follow the Muslim party line on social values. And it's emphasized its unhappiness with European values through arson, murder, terrorism and rape. Why the hell wouldn't people be upset about that and start turning to the extremes when the prevailing political establishment just sticks its fingers into its ears and goes "Nahga naaa nannna I can't heeear you!"

We'll see the same thing in other countries if the establishment can't get off its oh-so-precious politically correct asses and start booting these people out and blocking them at the borders. As David Frum said, if liberals say that only fascists will guard borders then the public will hire fascists to guard their borders.
 

Johnnny

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Yea ill agree with that in my opinion.

If someone says that being an anti-immigrant makes you a racist then on the flip side we bring in a lot of racists from countries that don't do much immigration to their countries, or just have a terrible form of immigration.



Like if people from Saudi Arabian want to come to canada or France they are racist on the principle that they support Saudi Arabia's refusal to take in Sunni Syrians.. Racists, just like the people who voted for Le Pen and Trump.

Or if we take in Muslims from Qatar who stand by idle while Hindus are forced to work like slaves in their economy. Being complacent in a system like that makes the Muslims of Qatar by virtue, racists just like the people who voted for Le Pen and Trump....

Is it racist to not want racists in your country?

That's the irony because no one wants to talk about these conservative Muslims who vote liberal because they are the good guys that stand up to the "white mans" form of conservatism while ironically only bolstering suppourt for their form of conservatism by like you know promoting a segregated religion for example to a public that is agnostic (Canada).

I mean if were going to play stupid and call everyone racists because we don't agree with them....
 
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Emmanuel Macron seems the epitome of the modern post structural candidate. A pretty boy.. slick, scripted, passionless, unobnoxious.. an amalgam of convenient New Age sophistry without structural integrity or foundation. He's a Justin Trudeau, Barak Obama, Bill Clinton.. shills for a malignant entrenched establishment parcelled into a benign package.

He presented no agenda whatsoever and has place himself as the 'alternative' to a failed system, while positing NO change whatsoever. He is simply the default candidate to the National Front.

He comes from globalist, monetarist, banking background (Rothschild). Like a lot of the French ruling class he has a strange marital relationship, having married his high school teacher (who had a husband and children) and is 25 years older than him. It smacks of a dependent, submissive personality and one wonders who is pulling his ideological strings. He presents a paper thin veneer of respectability and opportunism without a political soul.

He is pro Europe, calling for greater integration; less borders, tariffs or regulation; more immigration. I'm not sure he's even aware of how devastated the industrial and agricultural sectors of his country have become. He lives in a bubble of futile, passive optimism. Most of his support comes from Paris and major financial centres.

Most pundits think he's a shoe in over Le Pen. I'm not so sure. The traditional allegiances of left/right have been obliterated by this election. This is a referendum on the EU, which has failed on every promise it has made. It is about nationalism and populism vs. globalism and liberalism. Whatever the outcome i know the entire global free market paradigm is teetering on disintegration, and we are in a time of civilizational restructuring.

I think Marine Le Pen will do better than expected. She might win. Whatever the case it is just one engagement in a war that will play out over the coming decades.
 
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