Man kills three suspected burglars with AR-15 rifle

[Murphy]

Are you a trained investigator? A lawyer?

You are a layman, interested in the case. You are suggesting things about which you know nothing. The police will investigate. If the DA's office determines that he acted wrongly, he will be charged. That's why we have investigators and not posses.

 

[Johnnny]

Are you a trained investigator? A lawyer?

You are a layman, interested in the case. You are suggesting things about which you know nothing. The police will investigate. If the DA's office determines that he acted wrongly, he will be charged. That's why we have investigators and not posses.

Im expressing my opinions Murphy and why i think it was overkill.

 

[Murphy]

Opinions usually begin with "I think".

When you say things like, "There was no shoot out this kid would have had to hunt the last two." etc., I wonder were the evidence is.

That is why the police will do their job and the DA will do his. We must be content to wait.

 

[Johnnny]

Opinions usually begin with "I think".

When you say things like, "There was no shoot out this kid would have had to hunt the last two." etc., I wonder were the evidence is.

That is why the police will do their job and the DA will do his. We must be content to wait.

Well there was no shoot out. That is evidence enough to begin questioning the scenario. Just because the perps werent shot in the back doesnt discount the possibility if murder in cold blood.

 

[Murphy]

You said that he had to hunt the last two. You don't know that. Did the other two charge at him when he shot the first one? That's what I'd ask, but again, I'm not the investigator.

The police will investigate and the DA will make his determination.

 

[Johnnny]

You said that he had to hunt the last two. You don't know that. Did the other two charge at him when he shot the first one? That's what I'd ask, but again, I'm not the investigator.

The police will investigate and the DA will make his determination.

I asked that question also. Im not being biased against the homeowner.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I asked that question also. Im not being biased against the homeowner.

Baring charges from the police and DA, I will give the homeowner benefit of the doubt with regards to the scenario. You are making assumptions that here was more than 10 seconds between the first shot and the third.

 

[Danbones]

..as I stated from the laws earlier on the thread, the guy will be charged, and will be investigated by trial:
if he did not do anything illegal he will be fine:
ONLY ONE PERSON so far has been convicted and he went over the line.

 

[Murphy]

He may not be charged. In the US, a lot depends on the jurisdiction and what the police discover. This is not from their law books, but is a layman's guide to justifiable homicide in Oklahoma.

Justifiable Homicide - OKC Criminal Defense Lawyers | Law Firm of Oklahoma

As Rod Serling used to say, "For your consideration."

 

[Johnnny]

Baring charges from the police and DA, I will give the homeowner benefit of the doubt with regards to the scenario. You are making assumptions that here was more than 10 seconds between the first shot and the third.

Has it been proven that there was less than 10 seconds between the first and third?

 

[Danbones]

He may not be charged. In the US, a lot depends on the jurisdiction and what the police discover. This is not from their law books, but is a layman's guide to justifiable homicide in Oklahoma.

Justifiable Homicide - OKC Criminal Defense Lawyers | Law Firm of Oklahoma

As Rod Serling used to say, "For your consideration."

upon checking, Correct you are

 

[petros]

Nope. 2 lives were wasted because the law gives a carte de blanche. The man should make the firearm, the firearm doesnt make the man.

3 lives were wasted because they were in the commision of a crime they chose to commit against someone which infringed upon his Right to security.

 

[Johnnny]

3 lives were wasted because they were in the commision of a crime they chose to commit against someone which infringed upon his Right to security.

I know that. The law needs to be rewritten because you cant convince me that if you have an AR--15 and 3 people have a single knife that it is necessary to diffuse the threat by killing all three... Its a carte de Blanche

In the article Murphy posted it does cover the "Heat of the moment" and that to me is the carte de blanche

 

[gerryh]

Im second guessing him. After he shot the first person it was shoot to thrill after that.

Im not saying he didnt have a right to protect himself and his property but the threat was obviously minimal after the first death. This kid is not competent in the use of a firearm and a little boy who is probably a real coward without his gun

The law is on his side. The law is on Don Meridiths side. But in the end your a gun owner and if shooting is your only move then you cannot prove to me you are competent in using firearms

HYe doesn't have to prove it to you and, yes, he is on the right side of the law. So your objection to what he did or didn't do is quite moot and irrelevant.

I know that. The law needs to be rewritten because you cant convince me that if you have an AR--15 and 3 people have a single knife that it is necessary to diffuse the threat by killing all three... Its a carte de Blanche

In the article Murphy posted it does cover the "Heat of the moment" and that to me is the carte de blanche

I guess they shouldn't have been trying to rob him. But, then again, for the bleeding hearts...............

 

[Johnnny]

HYe doesn't have to prove it to you and, yes, he is on the right side of the law. So your objection to what he did or didn't do is quite moot and irrelevant.





I guess they shouldn't have been trying to rob him. But, then again, for the bleeding hearts...............

I know gerryh that he was on the right side of the law thats why i said it needs to be rewritten. My heart isnt bleeding for them just because i dont agree

 

[gerryh]

I know gerryh that he was on the right side of the law thats why i said it needs to be rewritten. My heart isnt bleeding for them just because i dont agree

and it needs to be rewritten why? So that more thieves don't get shot?

 

[Murphy]

And that's the rub. The police will establish how much light there was. Pitch black? Dimly lit? All the lights on? Was he threatened? Did the son see any weapons? Did he know how many people were there? How long did the situation last from start to finish? Any other factors? Flashlight shone in his eyes? Was the son told that if he tried anything, he'd be shot? Where did the shots hit the burglars?

There are a lot of things we do not know. Never assume that because a person is armed with a rifle that he is safe from attack. When you were in the ME, did they not give you any courses before you left? Engagement. Search. Detention.

In Canada, you are asked if you felt your life was in danger. If you say yes, they will ask, how so? Darkness is a huge factor. Hearing more than one voice in a dark room is another. How many people are there? Are they armed? Will they try to harm me?

They will determine, to the best of their ability, if the shootings were justified. They are trained for this.

 

[Danbones]

people do kill with intent and bare hands
..and as far as knives go:

fastest way to a man's heart is through his ribs

 

[Johnnny]

and it needs to be rewritten why? So that more thieves don't get shot?

Gerryh i mentioned why i think the way i do already. Cant you just read and pick apart my previous posts?

And that's the rub. The police will establish how much light there was. Pitch black? Dimly lit? All the lights on? Was he threatened? Did the son see any weapons? Did he know how many people were there? How long did the situation last from start to finish? Any other factors? Flashlight shone in his eyes? Was the son told that if he tried anything, he'd be shot? Where did the shots hit the burglars?

There are a lot of things we do not know. Never assume that because a person is armed with a rifle that he is safe from attack. When you were in the ME, did they not give you any courses before you left? Engagement. Search. Detention.

In Canada, you are asked if you felt your life was in danger. If you say yes, they will ask, how so? Darkness is a huge factor. Hearing more than one voice in a dark room is another. How many people are there? Are they armed? Will they try to harm me?

They will determine, to the best of their ability, if the shootings were justified. They are trained for this.

If they were together in a hallway for example and the perps got it all at once. Then thats a scenario i cant argue against.

About Iraq? No thry just put me in the grinder

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Has it been proven that there was less than 10 seconds between the first and third?

There is no information whatsoever. And even a long time does not absolve the slugs if they were continuing to attack. Without charges or more facts however I will not condemn the homeowner for his actions. I will give him the benefit of any doubt.