The OFFICIAL Trump Travel Ban Thread

EagleSmack

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Oh well that's just fine then - some of them have been sent home which leaves more room for the others forced to live in an airport. Temporary or not, Eagle this whole ban could have been handled in a much more organized and humane manner but humanity doesn't seem to be Trump's strong suit does it?

Sure it is. He is looking out for American citizens. We've had an immigration problem for decades now. People just get here and sign up for free stuff. I could only DREAM of having a strict immigration policy like Canada's. Your borders are TIGHT! Plus you have a big wall that stretches from the US South West to the US Northern borders.

It's easy for Canadians to offer to take a handful of people for political points with a wall that large and such stringent immigration laws.
 

Remington1

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A play on words hey!! Ban vs barred, tax vs pricing, if covered with icing still means ban and tax. To attempt to make yourself superior to the people that elected you is never a good idea, it just makes people angry at you!!
 

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I guess you don't know anything about the TFW program. Canadians are not unqualified, they just expect to get proper wages and working conditions.

In other words, they want to maintain a monopoly for themselves so as to impose higher costs onto consumers.
 

Curious Cdn

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The middle east was a basket case before America was a country .

The Middle East was a basket case before the ink was dry on the first Old Testament papyrus.

Holy Land? Who the hell are you kidding?
 

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People just get here and sign up for free stuff.

Well pardon me, Eagle. I was laboring under the assumption that your country had a solid vetting process in place. I had no idea people could enter your country so easily - well except of course at your southern border which is as porous as cheese cloth - and start getting handed free stuff. That said, I stand by my statements regarding imposition of the ban - it could have been handled in a much more humane manner.............and no, I don't buy that crap about people flooding the country if given notice.

I could only DREAM of having a strict immigration policy like Canada's. Your borders are TIGHT! Plus you have a big wall that stretches from the US South West to the US Northern borders.
Too bad some Canadians on this site aren't fully aware of that.

It's easy for Canadians to offer to take a handful of people for political points with a wall that large and such stringent immigration laws.
Easy? You think? What was the government to do - leave them stranded? I don't think it was easy at all especially as your President's feelings are so tender and so easily hurt. This did nothing to endear our PM or our country to Trump - if anything it probably chilled things down a lot.
 

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Today I am going to say something that may not be popular to some. I am deeply troubled by what I see in the United States regarding the new administration, and I am equally troubled by some people’s acceptance of it. Now, before anyone says, "You're just a naive Left Winger." let me qualify my position by saying that I am and probably always will be a conservative. I am extremely supportive of stopping terrorism, and I support our military in actions to stop Neanderthal groups like ISIS or Al-Qaeda.
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Let's start with the bolded words above. These groups are proxy warriors created and supplied by the USA and her closest allies including the Israel, UK, France, Germany and a few lesser players such as Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar.

When you say 'our military' you must be speaking as an American agent rather than a Canadian citizen for obvious reasons. It is the US military who is the sponsor and creator of 'radical Islam' in the first place. The coup in Iran in 1953 was the first action in creating that band of thugs that you love to hate. I'll even keep it brief so you should be able to read it and comprehend what is being said.

Pay particular attention to when they were created and by whom, w3hat they did to the civilian population and who was responsible for them being 'put out of business'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK
SAVAK (Persian: ساواک, short for سازمان اطلاعات و امنیت کشور Sāzemān-e Ettelā'āt va Amniyat-e Keshvar, Organization of Intelligence and National Security) was the secret police, domestic security and intelligence service established by Iran's Mohammad Reza Shah with the help of the United States' Central Intelligence Agency (the CIA) and Israeli Mossad.[1] SAVAK operated from 1957 to 1979, when the prime minister Shapour Bakhtiar ordered its dissolution during the outbreak of Iranian Revolution. SAVAK has been described as Iran's "most hated and feared institution" prior to the revolution of 1979 because of its practice of torturing and executing opponents of the Pahlavi regime.[2][3] At its peak, the organization had as many as 60,000 agents serving in its ranks according to one source,[4] although Gholam Reza Afkhami estimates SAVAK staffing at between 4,000 and 6,000.[5] Almost all SAVAK agents were hunted down and killed after the Iranian Revolution in 1979.[citation needed]


Hot on the heels of that was Saddam H' becoming the proxy army to try and retake Iran and punishment them for that 'revolt'
in a war that lasted 8 years and the sanctions that are ongoing to this day. (Same childish behavior as Cuba suffered for not

wanting the US to be their rulers) The bolded part is a lie promoted by the military arm of the USA.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War

The Iran–Iraq War was an armed conflict between Iran and Iraq lasting from 22 September 1980, when Iraq invaded Iran, to August 1988. The war followed a long history of border disputes, and was motivated by fears that the Iranian Revolution in 1979 would inspire insurgency among Iraq's long-suppressed Shi'ite majority, as well as Iraq's desire to replace Iran as the dominant Persian Gulf state.


Afghanistan was the next target of the US, the CIA was in the country training more radical Muslims just like they did in Iran and that was the operation that created terrorist incidents 6 months before the 'invasion' by the USSR.


How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs [“From the Shadows”], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.


Still think the wars are a result of homegrown Muslim radicals?? Check out the School of the Americas as those tactics are what the 'radical Muslims' bring to the table and since they are the very same tactics used by the South American death squads you might want to figure out how 'radical Muslims' trained and funded them or start accepting that they were also trained and funded by the same CIA as part of the military wing of the USA.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/terror...-the-history-of-americas-death-squads/5317564

Image: El Salvador Death Squads
This article was first published by Global Research on January 4, 2013. It is also published as a chapter in Michel Chossudovsky’s book The Globalization of War, America’s Long War against Humanity. Global Research Publishers, 2015
In recent developments the Chilcot Report has revealed the role of Latin-american style death squads in Iraq.
The recruitment of death squads is part of a well established US military-intelligence agenda. There is a long and gruesome US history of covert funding and support of terror brigades and targeted assassinations going back to the Vietnam war.
As government forces continue to confront the self-proclaimed “Free Syrian Army” (FSA), the historical roots of the West’s covert war on Syria –which has resulted in countless atrocities– must be fully revealed.
From the outset in March 2011, the US and its allies have supported the formation of death squads and the incursion of terrorist brigades in a carefully planned undertaking.

The recruitment and training of terror brigades in both Iraq and Syria was modeled on the “Salvador Option”, a “terrorist model” of mass killings by US sponsored death squads in Central America. It was first applied in El Salvador, in the heyday of resistance against the military dictatorship, resulting in an estimated 75,000 deaths.
The formation of death squads in Syria builds upon the history and experience of US sponsored terror brigades in Iraq, under the Pentagon’s “counterinsurgency” program.

The Establishment of Death Squads in Iraq


US sponsored death squads were recruited in Iraq starting in 2004-2005 in an initiative launched under the helm of the US Ambassador John Negroponte, [image: right] who was dispatched to Baghdad by the US State Department in June 2004.
Negroponte was the “man for the job”. As US Ambassador to Honduras from 1981 to 1985. Negroponte played a key role in supporting and supervising the Nicaraguan Contras based in Honduras as well as overseeing the activities of the Honduran military death squads.
“Under the rule of General Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, Honduras’s military government was both a close ally of the Reagan administration and was “disappearing” dozens of political opponents in classic death squad fashion.

After this little opener I'm pretty sure the rest of your post is going to be replies to in the very same manor and by the end it should be pretty clear if you are sowing lies or you are just terribly misinformed or just can't spot a lie if your life depended on it.









The Middle East was a basket case before the ink was dry on the first Old Testament papyrus.

Holy Land? Who the hell are you kidding?
Perhaps you missed the part where it is 'the West' that is invading them rather than they are invading anybody. If the West didn't want their oil for free nobody would be fighting there in the firsty place. Try not and whitewash this into something it isn't. It is a war for riches just like 99.99% of all wars that have ever been waged anywhere on the planet. I thought you should know that as you seem to have missed more than a few memos.
The thread does serve one purpose, how to lie and demonize people who are innocent so their land can be stolen from them. It is going to be so easy to spot the dummies on this thread. lol in a sad sort of way.
 

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Re: A Ban is the wrong path

Easy? You think? What was the government to do - leave them stranded? I don't think it was easy at all especially as your President's feelings are so tender and so easily hurt. This did nothing to endear our PM or our country to Trump - if anything it probably chilled things down a lot.


I wouldn't be able to swear to the wording of Justin's exact message but what I recall is wording to the effect that anyone who was stranded would be looked after. Now, if he was just talking about Canadians then I apologize for taking away the wrong message. If I was him I'd look after them and bill Trump. If they aren't Canadians I'd return them to their home and bill Trump.
 

MHz

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Practising Christians are also commanded to do so by the founder of their faith.
Really?? You have some sort of verse that says we can invade other nations on a whim but other nations cannot invade is because God says so?
 

Curious Cdn

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Really?? You have some sort of verse that says we can invade other nations on a whim but other nations cannot invade is because God says so?

No, there is no such verse and that's not what I said or meant.

Have you stopped beating your wife, yet or are you finally following that court injuction against you to stay away?

It's one or the other. There are no other possibilities.
 

HarperCons

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It is funny isn't it. The most hated country in the world and the world goes bonkers when the US puts a pause on some wanting to get in.
Not the most hated country. The most hated government. The government which commits the most murder and oppression across the globe.

The government that destroys other countries (see Iraq, Afghanistan, Latin American countries, etc..)
 

Curious Cdn

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Let's start with the bolded words above. These groups are proxy warriors created and supplied by the USA and her closest allies including the Israel, UK, France, Germany and a few lesser players such as Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar.

When you say 'our military' you must be speaking as an American agent rather than a Canadian citizen for obvious reasons. It is the US military who is the sponsor and creator of 'radical Islam' in the first place. The coup in Iran in 1953 was the first action in creating that band of thugs that you love to hate. I'll even keep it brief so you should be able to read it and comprehend what is being said.

Pay particular attention to when they were created and by whom, w3hat they did to the civilian population and who was responsible for them being 'put out of business'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK
SAVAK (Persian: ساواک, short for سازمان اطلاعات و امنیت کشور Sāzemān-e Ettelā'āt va Amniyat-e Keshvar, Organization of Intelligence and National Security) was the secret police, domestic security and intelligence service established by Iran's Mohammad Reza Shah with the help of the United States' Central Intelligence Agency (the CIA) and Israeli Mossad.[1] SAVAK operated from 1957 to 1979, when the prime minister Shapour Bakhtiar ordered its dissolution during the outbreak of Iranian Revolution. SAVAK has been described as Iran's "most hated and feared institution" prior to the revolution of 1979 because of its practice of torturing and executing opponents of the Pahlavi regime.[2][3] At its peak, the organization had as many as 60,000 agents serving in its ranks according to one source,[4] although Gholam Reza Afkhami estimates SAVAK staffing at between 4,000 and 6,000.[5] Almost all SAVAK agents were hunted down and killed after the Iranian Revolution in 1979.[citation needed]


Hot on the heels of that was Saddam H' becoming the proxy army to try and retake Iran and punishment them for that 'revolt'
in a war that lasted 8 years and the sanctions that are ongoing to this day. (Same childish behavior as Cuba suffered for not

wanting the US to be their rulers) The bolded part is a lie promoted by the military arm of the USA.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War

The Iran–Iraq War was an armed conflict between Iran and Iraq lasting from 22 September 1980, when Iraq invaded Iran, to August 1988. The war followed a long history of border disputes, and was motivated by fears that the Iranian Revolution in 1979 would inspire insurgency among Iraq's long-suppressed Shi'ite majority, as well as Iraq's desire to replace Iran as the dominant Persian Gulf state.


Afghanistan was the next target of the US, the CIA was in the country training more radical Muslims just like they did in Iran and that was the operation that created terrorist incidents 6 months before the 'invasion' by the USSR.


How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs [“From the Shadows”], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.


Still think the wars are a result of homegrown Muslim radicals?? Check out the School of the Americas as those tactics are what the 'radical Muslims' bring to the table and since they are the very same tactics used by the South American death squads you might want to figure out how 'radical Muslims' trained and funded them or start accepting that they were also trained and funded by the same CIA as part of the military wing of the USA.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/terror...-the-history-of-americas-death-squads/5317564

Image: El Salvador Death Squads
This article was first published by Global Research on January 4, 2013. It is also published as a chapter in Michel Chossudovsky’s book The Globalization of War, America’s Long War against Humanity. Global Research Publishers, 2015
In recent developments the Chilcot Report has revealed the role of Latin-american style death squads in Iraq.
The recruitment of death squads is part of a well established US military-intelligence agenda. There is a long and gruesome US history of covert funding and support of terror brigades and targeted assassinations going back to the Vietnam war.
As government forces continue to confront the self-proclaimed “Free Syrian Army” (FSA), the historical roots of the West’s covert war on Syria –which has resulted in countless atrocities– must be fully revealed.
From the outset in March 2011, the US and its allies have supported the formation of death squads and the incursion of terrorist brigades in a carefully planned undertaking.

The recruitment and training of terror brigades in both Iraq and Syria was modeled on the “Salvador Option”, a “terrorist model” of mass killings by US sponsored death squads in Central America. It was first applied in El Salvador, in the heyday of resistance against the military dictatorship, resulting in an estimated 75,000 deaths.
The formation of death squads in Syria builds upon the history and experience of US sponsored terror brigades in Iraq, under the Pentagon’s “counterinsurgency” program.

The Establishment of Death Squads in Iraq


US sponsored death squads were recruited in Iraq starting in 2004-2005 in an initiative launched under the helm of the US Ambassador John Negroponte, [image: right] who was dispatched to Baghdad by the US State Department in June 2004.
Negroponte was the “man for the job”. As US Ambassador to Honduras from 1981 to 1985. Negroponte played a key role in supporting and supervising the Nicaraguan Contras based in Honduras as well as overseeing the activities of the Honduran military death squads.
“Under the rule of General Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, Honduras’s military government was both a close ally of the Reagan administration and was “disappearing” dozens of political opponents in classic death squad fashion.

After this little opener I'm pretty sure the rest of your post is going to be replies to in the very same manor and by the end it should be pretty clear if you are sowing lies or you are just terribly misinformed or just can't spot a lie if your life depended on it.










Perhaps you missed the part where it is 'the West' that is invading them rather than they are invading anybody. If the West didn't want their oil for free nobody would be fighting there in the firsty place. Try not and whitewash this into something it isn't. It is a war for riches just like 99.99% of all wars that have ever been waged anywhere on the planet. I thought you should know that as you seem to have missed more than a few memos.
The thread does serve one purpose, how to lie and demonize people who are innocent so their land can be stolen from them. It is going to be so easy to spot the dummies on this thread. lol in a sad sort of way.

Perhaps YOU missed the point where the Indo-Europeans (like the Romans, for example) from the Middle East invaded the West and left a legacy of extreme cruelty and immoveable paternalism that still haunts us thousands of years later. The Middle East has always been populated by some right bastards.
 

EagleSmack

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Well pardon me, Eagle. I was laboring under the assumption that your country had a solid vetting process in place. I had no idea people could enter your country so easily - well except of course at your southern border which is as porous as cheese cloth - and start getting handed free stuff.

Ah no... the US does not have a solid vetting process. Not at all.


That said, I stand by my statements regarding imposition of the ban - it could have been handled in a much more humane manner.............and no, I don't buy that crap about people flooding the country if given notice.
Perhaps the implementation could have been different. The reaction would have been the same though.

I don't think you believe that crap because it is damn near impossible for Canada ever to be flooded. You're in the safest corner of the world.

Ever hear of the Mariel Boat Lift?

Castro announces Mariel Boatlift - Apr 20, 1980 - HISTORY.com

On April 20, 1980, the Castro regime announces that all Cubans wishing to emigrate to the U.S. are free to board boats at the port of Mariel west of Havana, launching the Mariel Boatlift. The first of 125,000 Cuban refugees from Mariel reached Florida the next day.


Easy? You think? What was the government to do - leave them stranded? I don't think it was easy at all especially as your President's feelings are so tender and so easily hurt. This did nothing to endear our PM or our country to Trump - if anything it probably chilled things down a lot.
Has Canada even accepted any?

Not the most hated country. The most hated government. The government which commits the most murder and oppression across the globe.

The government that destroys other countries (see Iraq, Afghanistan, Latin American countries, etc..)

Ok... so they come here by the millions to live under the most hated government.

Got it.
 
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Mowich

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I wouldn't be able to swear to the wording of Justin's exact message but what I recall is wording to the effect that anyone who was stranded would be looked after. Now, if he was just talking about Canadians then I apologize for taking away the wrong message. If I was him I'd look after them and bill Trump. If they aren't Canadians I'd return them to their home and bill Trump.

His first tweet was....

"To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada"

He followed that with this one........and yes the photo of him with the little refugee girl was the reason for the tweet

#WelcomeToCanada



I think Justin needs to back away from his twitter account for awhile - he's trending down the same trail as Trump.

I thought his first tweet was gratuitous and self-serving. The planes weren't full of passengers fleeing some war torn country. Sure there might well have been some immigrants but there were just as many ordinary people returning from holiday, on their way to meet family, or start a new job or returning from business or any other number of reasons people travel. Justin's tweet made it sound as if Trump had just stopped Operation Frequent Wind from landing in the US.

Then he doubled down with the next tweet showing the scene at the airport last year when he was out getting selfie and photo ops. What a twit. So he poked Trump in the eye twice when he could have shown some diplomacy and simply issued a message stating that Canada would do what it could to accommodate any passengers inconvenienced by the ban.
 

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In other words, they want to maintain a monopoly for themselves so as to impose higher costs onto consumers.

No they want to get fair pay for the work they do. These are the consumers. Mostly we want to make at least as much as government employees.
 

EagleSmack

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His first tweet was....

"To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada"

He followed that with this one........and yes the photo of him with the little refugee girl was the reason for the tweet

#WelcomeToCanada


Did they mention how old that picture was?

Canada's Formula for 25,000 Syrian Refugees

December 10, 2015

I wonder how many did Canada actually take in during these past few days.
 

taxslave

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Let's start with the bolded words above. These groups are proxy warriors created and supplied by the USA and her closest allies including the Israel, UK, France, Germany and a few lesser players such as Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar.

When you say 'our military' you must be speaking as an American agent rather than a Canadian citizen for obvious reasons. It is the US military who is the sponsor and creator of 'radical Islam' in the first place. The coup in Iran in 1953 was the first action in creating that band of thugs that you love to hate. I'll even keep it brief so you should be able to read it and comprehend what is being said.

Pay particular attention to when they were created and by whom, w3hat they did to the civilian population and who was responsible for them being 'put out of business'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK
SAVAK (Persian: ساواک, short for سازمان اطلاعات و امنیت کشور Sāzemān-e Ettelā'āt va Amniyat-e Keshvar, Organization of Intelligence and National Security) was the secret police, domestic security and intelligence service established by Iran's Mohammad Reza Shah with the help of the United States' Central Intelligence Agency (the CIA) and Israeli Mossad.[1] SAVAK operated from 1957 to 1979, when the prime minister Shapour Bakhtiar ordered its dissolution during the outbreak of Iranian Revolution. SAVAK has been described as Iran's "most hated and feared institution" prior to the revolution of 1979 because of its practice of torturing and executing opponents of the Pahlavi regime.[2][3] At its peak, the organization had as many as 60,000 agents serving in its ranks according to one source,[4] although Gholam Reza Afkhami estimates SAVAK staffing at between 4,000 and 6,000.[5] Almost all SAVAK agents were hunted down and killed after the Iranian Revolution in 1979.[citation needed]


Hot on the heels of that was Saddam H' becoming the proxy army to try and retake Iran and punishment them for that 'revolt'
in a war that lasted 8 years and the sanctions that are ongoing to this day. (Same childish behavior as Cuba suffered for not

wanting the US to be their rulers) The bolded part is a lie promoted by the military arm of the USA.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War

The Iran–Iraq War was an armed conflict between Iran and Iraq lasting from 22 September 1980, when Iraq invaded Iran, to August 1988. The war followed a long history of border disputes, and was motivated by fears that the Iranian Revolution in 1979 would inspire insurgency among Iraq's long-suppressed Shi'ite majority, as well as Iraq's desire to replace Iran as the dominant Persian Gulf state.


Afghanistan was the next target of the US, the CIA was in the country training more radical Muslims just like they did in Iran and that was the operation that created terrorist incidents 6 months before the 'invasion' by the USSR.


How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen
Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs [“From the Shadows”], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.


Still think the wars are a result of homegrown Muslim radicals?? Check out the School of the Americas as those tactics are what the 'radical Muslims' bring to the table and since they are the very same tactics used by the South American death squads you might want to figure out how 'radical Muslims' trained and funded them or start accepting that they were also trained and funded by the same CIA as part of the military wing of the USA.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/terror...-the-history-of-americas-death-squads/5317564

Image: El Salvador Death Squads
This article was first published by Global Research on January 4, 2013. It is also published as a chapter in Michel Chossudovsky’s book The Globalization of War, America’s Long War against Humanity. Global Research Publishers, 2015
In recent developments the Chilcot Report has revealed the role of Latin-american style death squads in Iraq.
The recruitment of death squads is part of a well established US military-intelligence agenda. There is a long and gruesome US history of covert funding and support of terror brigades and targeted assassinations going back to the Vietnam war.
As government forces continue to confront the self-proclaimed “Free Syrian Army” (FSA), the historical roots of the West’s covert war on Syria –which has resulted in countless atrocities– must be fully revealed.
From the outset in March 2011, the US and its allies have supported the formation of death squads and the incursion of terrorist brigades in a carefully planned undertaking.

The recruitment and training of terror brigades in both Iraq and Syria was modeled on the “Salvador Option”, a “terrorist model” of mass killings by US sponsored death squads in Central America. It was first applied in El Salvador, in the heyday of resistance against the military dictatorship, resulting in an estimated 75,000 deaths.
The formation of death squads in Syria builds upon the history and experience of US sponsored terror brigades in Iraq, under the Pentagon’s “counterinsurgency” program.

The Establishment of Death Squads in Iraq


US sponsored death squads were recruited in Iraq starting in 2004-2005 in an initiative launched under the helm of the US Ambassador John Negroponte, [image: right] who was dispatched to Baghdad by the US State Department in June 2004.
Negroponte was the “man for the job”. As US Ambassador to Honduras from 1981 to 1985. Negroponte played a key role in supporting and supervising the Nicaraguan Contras based in Honduras as well as overseeing the activities of the Honduran military death squads.
“Under the rule of General Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, Honduras’s military government was both a close ally of the Reagan administration and was “disappearing” dozens of political opponents in classic death squad fashion.

After this little opener I'm pretty sure the rest of your post is going to be replies to in the very same manor and by the end it should be pretty clear if you are sowing lies or you are just terribly misinformed or just can't spot a lie if your life depended on it.










Perhaps you missed the part where it is 'the West' that is invading them rather than they are invading anybody. If the West didn't want their oil for free nobody would be fighting there in the firsty place. Try not and whitewash this into something it isn't. It is a war for riches just like 99.99% of all wars that have ever been waged anywhere on the planet. I thought you should know that as you seem to have missed more than a few memos.
The thread does serve one purpose, how to lie and demonize people who are innocent so their land can be stolen from them. It is going to be so easy to spot the dummies on this thread. lol in a sad sort of way.

Your terrorist buddies have been trying to steal land from the Israelis for many years.

Not the most hated country. The most hated government. The government which commits the most murder and oppression across the globe.

The government that destroys other countries (see Iraq, Afghanistan, Latin American countries, etc..)

Which one of your commie countries are you referring to? Russia? CHina? N Korea?
 

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Re: A Ban is the wrong path

What I find troubling about this new attitude is that it reminds one of the past. The broad brush statements of a leader, who generalizes about specific groups and vilifies them, draws back to post Great War when the German population was out of work, hungry, beaten down after war of attrition. Out of that misery, rose a leader who spoke of National pride (make America Great Again) He vilified the immigrants of Poland, Gypsies, Jews (Mexicans and Muslims). He wanted to sequester and register them. (implementing immigration bans based on country of origin). Basically, what he did was instill fear into the masses and victimize a demographic of people based on that fear.
You seem to be doing quite well in spreading lies and propaganda yourself. You should be aware that both world wars were created with one purpose in mind, create an Israel for the Rothschild bankers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhFRGDyX48c&t=8s
Benjamin Freedman's 1961 Speech at the Willard Hotel (Complete)

Is the West facing a constant terrorist threat? Sure, but such threats do not just come from Muslim groups. There are plenty of right wing anti-government groups that pose a clear and present danger to Americans. Historical examples of these groups are plenty. The Oklahoma Bombing was born out of anti-government sentiment after the Waco, Texas raid on Camp Davidian. ATF agents served a warrant to arrest the cult leader David Koresh which resulted in a 51 day seige that ended in a raid that resulted in 80 dead of which 22 were children. As retaliation for this and what they believed to be unwarranted government actions (Google Ruby Ridge) Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, both ex-military, devised a plan to blow up a government building in the city of Oklahoma. They did exactly that. The bomb detonated killing 169 and injury over 600. Of the 169 dead, 19 were very young children. The Oklahoma Government Building housed a daycare.
That was a false flag operation just like 9/11 was. You should actually tryu and do some research into subjects that you are going to comment on in a public forum. People who have researched it will always be able to show your version is a fantasy parading around as a fact. In this you agenda is to demonize a single group who are innocent or the lies wouldn't have to be promoted as much as they are. Love the way you included there was a daycare involved. Any words for all the Muslim children killed as a result of Gulf War I (another false flag operation) and after, 2M is a conservative estimate and you outpouring of grief for them pretty much sums up your ability to feel empathy for anybody killed by a wrong doing. The deaths you refer to is used as a tool to manipulate opinions rather than you feeling any sorrow at all.

There are many more examples of home-grown terrorists, some Christian fundamentalist, some anti-government, some eco-terrorist, some who feel their right to own and carry fire-arms is being attacked, even cults. Imagine if we suddenly had a registry for anyone who observed the Christian religion based on the many examples of extremist who were neither the leadership or representative of said religion. There are plenty of examples, Jonestown, Waco, even the Manson Family’s murders were based on Charles Manson’s claim that he was Jesus Christ, that Helter Skelter was a prophecy born out of the Beatles White Album in which an impending race war was imminent. By today standards, the Tate and LaBianca’ murders could very well be deemed a terrorist action and the Family a terrorist group.
You admit to homegrown insane people so why not include the ones who train people from other nations to be just as insane and even worse as also being a homegrown terrorist. Start with this group that the US Government welcomed with open arms while they should have been hung as war criminals. Did they get shipped off to some remote part of the country where they could do little harm? No they became the backbone of the CIA and NASA. Talk about messing up your own destiny. The vid below coves some actual people that were brought over so no trying to promote they were innocents who were innocent of any war crimes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHs5M3pyd3Q&t=2085s
Annie Jacobsen, "Operation Paperclip"

Terrorism exists, that is a given. As I write this, a Mosque in Montreal, Quebec was invaded by two suspects carrying weapons and the death toll is at six. Their motivation is yet to be revealed, but it was a terrorist act.
You should update yourself.

Quebec Shooter Revealed to Be Pro-Israel
After “fake news” rumours that Matt Forney and David Aurini were the shooters in the tragic killing of 5 or 6 innocent Muslims at a Quebec Mosque, the true identity of the shooter has been revealed as Alexandre Bissonnette.
As race and nationality are officially “social constructs” in Canada, one of the most cucked and left-wing countries in the world, it is impossible to say anything about the ethnic identity of the attacker. However, it has been revealed that Bissonnette was a lover of a small Middle Eastern country with a reputation for extreme violence and may have been LARPing as a member of its security forces.
A former classmate, Jean-Michel Allard-Prus, who studied politics with him at Université Laval and has kept in touch, told Le Journal de Quebec that Bissonnette, “was pro-Israel.”
He has also been revealed to have had a number of other political views, opinions, and tastes. For example, he was a keen horse rider (according to social media photos), but it is unlikely that equestrian interests could be the inspiration for such a brutal attack, even though history reveals a tenuous connection between horse-riding and extreme violence going back to the Mongol Hordes of the 13th century.



Coming back to Muslims, why are they any different from the Christians at Waco or Jonestown, why are they as a demographic being vilified? It’s simple really. First, they look and dress differently than us, brown skin, traditional clothing, they often speak in their mother tongue. So, this in itself raises suspicion.
Sound more like paranoia was around before they ever showed up. You forgot that they are sitting on many trillions worth of oil. Think the EU Monarchs are going to let that go to them where their wealth would make the Royals look like street merchants.
You do realized you just pointed out that the entire West is racial and bigoted right?


Example, I served in the Canadian Military and instructed at Artillery School in Canadian Forces Training Center Gagetown. There we had both English and French members, when the francophones spoke amongst themselves, there was an air of suspicion that some might be talking smack about their English counterparts. This wasn’t the case, but the ignorance of the language promoted the myth.
Now, let’s look at what we are inundated with on the 24-hour news cycle. When a terrorist act occurs the first thing any of the news orgs go to are groups who are sympathetic to the cause. Death to America groups, who are clearly ignorant, uneducated and thousands of miles away. After 911, CNN ran footage of Al Qaeda gassing a dog, then went on to inform the fearful post 9-11 public on how to tape up your windows or doors in the event of a chemical attack. We are fed this type of fear by the heaping spoonful every day we turn on the news. You can go on You-tube and watch ISIS beheading videos, frequent forums that talk about sleeper cells (by the way, has anyone ever seen evidence of a sleeper cell that woke up?). There’s talk of dirty bombs and honor killings.
Really? So far it has been that the ones it is going to get pinned on is revealed by 'unknown sources' through a flat out lie that is then repeated endlessly. .[/QUOTE]
The first and only think that happens is the one that will be have the act pinned on them is names and that name is repeated endlessly and no other suspects are ever mentioned. Period.


Am I saying that this stuff doesn’t exist? No. What I am saying that is this. Most Muslims don’t want anything other than to pursue the same dream as the rest of us. Raise a family, buy a car, a house, maybe start a business and live in relative safety. I’ve got a very good friend who I have known since I was 10 who just happens to be Muslim. He is the typical Canadian, he is a business man, he’s a humanitarian man, and he is community minded. He also happens to be one of the most articulate individuals I know and sense of humor? Man, he can make you laugh. He is neither a terrorist or an extremist. .
Run you inner views past him and you would be the extremist without a doubt.

To think that he and his family could be the subject of a ban based on their choice of religion or their country of origin is so very troubling because it is victimization and goes against the very grain of what was once deemed THE AMERICAN DREAM. .
The enemy of America lives in America and they have for a very long time. The lasy shot in the war was in 1913 and the creation of the FED. Guess who won the war and who lost it??


Is this how to make America Great Again?.
You start sweeping up that trash in your own house rather than dictating what is trash in other nations. In this case the nations under a ban should ban Americans and their allies from coming into their country as most are spies looking to cayuse trouble for the host nation.

And it smells folks, smells of racism, of exclusion, it is like using an atomic bomb to blow up an enemy position. It is the final solution of the ignorant and afraid. Worst of all, it is exactly what the Neanderthal’s of Isis and Al Qaeda wanted. They have created fear and terror, and by extension, the government, the media, and the fearful public have played right into their hands. There is no better way to fan the flames than to point to America and proclaim it to be a state of apartheid. There is no better way to take a young Muslim man or woman who was born and raised in the West and turn them into a terrorist by stripping them of their basic human rights..
The US would have to start bombing themselves if that helps you understand how stupid that idea is.

There is so much I could say on this subject, but I am going to close it out here. We must speak out against exclusion, and if we are fearful due to ignorance, we should further our endeavor to extinguish that ignorance by educating ourselves. These policies will not make America great again, they will not make the world a more peaceful place and they will, increase terrorism and fear.
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There ya go, you even came up with the right solution. Now go educate yourself and come back and rewrite your whole post from the POV of a person who gas their eyes wide open instead of shut like yours currently are..

Which one of your commie countries are you referring to? Russia? CHina? N Korea?
Israel, don't be so stupid, who else could it be??