Donald Trump team 'discussing plans for Muslim registration system'
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Yes and no. It's going to progress pretty far I think but things will come to a head on the world stage and Bannon will get his war on browns before someone does anything. AKA WWIII. My worst fear at any rate.
lol. Would not be surprised.
WRT to immigration proceedings, the procedures/legislation were already in place, long before Trump became president. Note the differences between administrative and criminal law.
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"But immigration proceedings are matters of administrative law, not criminal law. (As a result, the consequence of violating your immigration status is not jail but deportation.)
And Congress has nearly full authority to regulate immigration without interference from the courts. Because immigration is considered a matter of national security and foreign policy, the Supreme Court has long held that immigration law is largely immune from judicial review. Congress can make rules for immigrants that would be unacceptable if applied to citizens."
The rest is here.
Do Noncitizens Have Constitutional Rights?
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Part two explains what an executive order actually is. Most of the panic artists do not understand what it is that they are railing against. Knowledge is power.
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"Basically, an executive order is an official statement from the president about how the federal agencies he oversees are to use their resources.
It falls under the broader umbrella of “executive actions,” which derive their power from Article II of the Constitution, and it is the most formal executive action. Executive actions also include presidential memorandums (which are a step below executive orders and basically outline the administration's position on a policy issue), proclamations and directives.
An executive order is not the president creating new law or appropriating new money from the U.S. Treasury — both things that are the domain of Congress; it is the president instructing the government how it is to work within the parameters that are already set by Congress and the Constitution."
(the underlining is mine - murphy)
The rest is here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-order-and-how-do-president-trumps-stack-up/
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"But immigration proceedings are matters of administrative law, not criminal law. (As a result, the consequence of violating your immigration status is not jail but deportation.)
And Congress has nearly full authority to regulate immigration without interference from the courts. Because immigration is considered a matter of national security and foreign policy, the Supreme Court has long held that immigration law is largely immune from judicial review. Congress can make rules for immigrants that would be unacceptable if applied to citizens."
The rest is here.
Do Noncitizens Have Constitutional Rights?
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Part two explains what an executive order actually is. Most of the panic artists do not understand what it is that they are railing against. Knowledge is power.
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"Basically, an executive order is an official statement from the president about how the federal agencies he oversees are to use their resources.
It falls under the broader umbrella of “executive actions,” which derive their power from Article II of the Constitution, and it is the most formal executive action. Executive actions also include presidential memorandums (which are a step below executive orders and basically outline the administration's position on a policy issue), proclamations and directives.
An executive order is not the president creating new law or appropriating new money from the U.S. Treasury — both things that are the domain of Congress; it is the president instructing the government how it is to work within the parameters that are already set by Congress and the Constitution."
(the underlining is mine - murphy)
The rest is here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-order-and-how-do-president-trumps-stack-up/
Step # 2? Our Canadian politicians need to stay out of this one. JT must be flying is broom is fury, and getting calls from Aga, but he needs to shake his head and mind his business, he cannot take millions of fleeing immigrants.
He listens all the time. Where do you think the EOs are coming from? Discussions that we are not privy to. He's a businessman and has assigned areas of responsibility to a number of qualified individuals. They figure out the wording, and he signs stuff. It's administrative.
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"Basically, an executive order is an official statement from the president about how the federal agencies he oversees are to use their resources.
It falls under the broader umbrella of “executive actions,” which derive their power from Article II of the Constitution, and it is the most formal executive action. Executive actions also include presidential memorandums (which are a step below executive orders and basically outline the administration's position on a policy issue), proclamations and directives.
An executive order is not the president creating new law or appropriating new money from the U.S. Treasury — both things that are the domain of Congress; it is the president instructing the government how it is to work within the parameters that are already set by Congress and the Constitution."
(the underlining is mine - murphy)
The rest is here.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-order-and-how-do-president-trumps-stack-up/
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"Basically, an executive order is an official statement from the president about how the federal agencies he oversees are to use their resources.
It falls under the broader umbrella of “executive actions,” which derive their power from Article II of the Constitution, and it is the most formal executive action. Executive actions also include presidential memorandums (which are a step below executive orders and basically outline the administration's position on a policy issue), proclamations and directives.
An executive order is not the president creating new law or appropriating new money from the U.S. Treasury — both things that are the domain of Congress; it is the president instructing the government how it is to work within the parameters that are already set by Congress and the Constitution."
(the underlining is mine - murphy)
The rest is here.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-order-and-how-do-president-trumps-stack-up/
Yeah, it looks like someone finally convinced him to stay the feck off of Twitter (or maybe it's been quiet for a few days because it's the weekend)
No, this afternoon was good. I managed to provide, in brief, what constitutes an executive order and the difference between administrative and criminal law, as it pertains to immigrants. The fact that some people are not accepting of it is beyond my control.
Or, as Forrest Gump said, "Stupid is as stupid does." He was referring to some of the posters here, not the present US administration.
The law is the law.
Yes, and Trumpites are soon to learn you can't ignore it no matter how much you hate immigrants
As was just pointed out on the C.B.C. news in the past hour, the 7 countries named so far is just a temporary list, while other countries (up to a maximum of about 46) are being decided. The 7 were merely the ones identified as special problems by Obama.
The law isn't being ignored. Trump cannot ignore the law. You just don't like the man and will say anything to be spiteful.
The fact is that he did not write any orders on his own, and he is not a lawyer. He does have advisors however and it is reasonable that he discussed these EOs with them. He likely did not even write the words himself, but merely signed the final document. I believe that every president who has ever signed an EO did not write it himself.
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"Basically, an executive order is an official statement from the president about how the federal agencies he oversees are to use their resources.
It falls under the broader umbrella of “executive actions,” which derive their power from Article II of the Constitution, and it is the most formal executive action. Executive actions also include presidential memorandums (which are a step below executive orders and basically outline the administration's position on a policy issue), proclamations and directives.
An executive order is not the president creating new law or appropriating new money from the U.S. Treasury — both things that are the domain of Congress; it is the president instructing the government how it is to work within the parameters that are already set by Congress and the Constitution."
(the underlining is mine - murphy)
The rest is here.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-order-and-how-do-president-trumps-stack-up/
I'm beginning to doubt that. Of course all this bitching and whining in past week didn't start on Jan. 20 - it started on Nov. 9 when Hillary's supporters couldn't handle the fact she AIN'T president material.
Nope. Mentalfloss is a Liberal party hack. Join the crowd though. You're certainly not the first Trumpite that tried to label me a liberal or Flossy's buddy because I don't buy into Trump's silliness.
Trumpites have to do stuff like that because it's impossible to defend his horribly nutty agenda