Shooting at Ft. Lauderdale Airport

bluebyrd35

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You were trolling and no one bit. But I will; Canada has similar legislation regarding air travel with firearms as the US when travelling to destinations within the same country. Crossing borders, however, is much harder for Canadians travelling South than Americans travelling North, their regulations and paperwork are quite onerous. You obviously are quite ignorant of firearms legislation in both countries, but you can be excused, because many folks are. To see just how many Americans bring their firearms to this country for hunting during the season is quite impressive, and it does fuel local economies whether you like it or not.


Travelling with restricted firearms requires only extra paperwork and they can be carried in checked bags, (rifles are normally carried in a case designed for that purpose, also subject to extra handling charges by the airline, likewise with skis, bicycles, snowboards and the like, with no guarantee they will arrive with you on your flight). And yes, I once did have a checked bag with a pistol in it go missing between Saskatoon and Halifax, luckily it was delivered to me by courier 4 hours after my arrival.


The fact that this happened in the arrivals area of an airport just gives the MSM more shock value than it would have had it happened in a WalMart parking lot.
LOL I understand you feel I made an offensive or provocative point which upset you, Sometimes the truth is provocative.

http://www.ezbordercrossing.com/the...earms/bringing-a-firearm-into-canada/Bringing a Firearm into Canada – ezbordercrossing.com

The US rules can be found at www.exbordercrossing.com/experience/transporting firearms

I maintain that it is much more difficult to acquire a gun in Canada than the US. There is a waiting period before acquiring a gun in Canada, During this time. records re mental illness, a criminal record. and evidence they are not a minor, are supposed to be check for. In the US, guns are sold in Walmart and gun
shows. Have you seen this in Canada? As far as importing guns into the country, of course if the paper work is properly done and the intent is not deemed to be criminal, both countries are close,

Unfortunately both countries are not giving veterans the help they need when they return home. Just look at the recent shooting in Nova Scotia,

By the way....what do you suppose is the reason why the US has the highest civilian murders per capita & woundings by guns??
 
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gopher

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I clicked the link that was on your post and that is exactly where it led to. Another person with the name of Estaban Santiago who was falsely accused of being the Ft. Lauderdale shooter by folks like you.



Did you even bother seeing whose FB page you linked to?

Click it and see. It is not a closed account. Perhaps he and FB closed it temporarily to clean it up because everyone was falsely accusing the poor kid of this crime and posting vile crap.



It is available and you and many others fingered the wrong guy.






Stop the bullshtt. The number 100000492021832 did't come out of nowhere. It was the number that appeared on his page when it was still available which is no longer is. Here it is yet again:


https://www.facebook.com/people/Esteban-Santiago/100000492021832



Like I wrote before, if you still stupidly believe your own myths, just go ahead and write to facebook and ask if it isn't true. Just ASK.
 

EagleSmack

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Stop the bullshtt. The number 100000492021832 did't come out of nowhere. It was the number that appeared on his page when it was still available which is no longer is. Here it is yet again:


https://www.facebook.com/people/Esteban-Santiago/100000492021832



Like I wrote before, if you still stupidly believe your own myths, just go ahead and write to facebook and ask if it isn't true. Just ASK.

ONCE again... this link that you are providing right in your own post is of a different Estaban Santiago. A man that was falsely accused merely by having the same name of the Ft. Lauderdale shooter.

Have you even clicked the link in your own post?

This is what he has to say to those who supported him while he was being falsely accused and to the insensitive people who rushed to judgement because he happened to share the same name as the killer.

"Prayers for all those involved in the Fort Lauderdale shooting.

Thank you to all my family and friends who showed me love and support during this difficult time. As you all know, I am NOT the shooter. My face has been exposed to unwanted places and my family has been getting some unwanted attention, but we are doing fine.

To those whom have jumped to the most insane conclusions: I forgive you. In the future, please educate yourselves on ALL the facts because spreading rumors about people you do not know does hurt. Thank you."
 

tay

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Esteban Santiago was mentally ill enough to walk into an FBI office in November with his infant son and inform federal agents his brain was being controlled by a government intelligence agency that wanted him to join the Islamic State.

But under the law those delusions and the brief hospitalization that followed were not enough to keep his gun away from him.

Since Santiago allegedly shot to death five people at a baggage claim in the international airport in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, on Friday, attention has focused on what happened in Alaska two months before the rampage: On the same day that the 26-year-old showed up at Anchorage FBI headquarters making "incoherent, disjointed statements," an Anchorage police officer took his handgun away — only to have police give it back a month later.

How did a man who had presented himself to federal officials ranting about mind control get a firearm back? Did police have the legal ability to do anything else?

Police may have had no choice under current laws but to return his gun.

It takes a lot to lose your gun due to mental illness in Alaska.

"If there had been a civil commitment order or serious criminal convictions, it would have been illegal for him to have a gun," said Mark Regan, an attorney for the Disability Law Center of Alaska.

Santiago was only hospitalized for four days and there is no record of him being involuntarily committed, a lengthier process. And though he had a series of run-ins with police for domestic violence-related allegations, he did not have any felony criminal convictions in Alaska.

Alaska has no state laws regulating gun ownership by mentally ill people — in fact, it has no state laws at all defining who can own a gun beyond federal standards.

The federal standard says that a person who has been "adjudicated mentally defective" by a judge or who has been "committed to a mental institution" cannot legally possess a firearm. While details of any mental health treatment for Santiago are confidential, along with any court proceedings involving civil commitment, it's not clear that Santiago met either of those criteria.

After the Nov. 7 encounter at the FBI building, Santiago was taken by a police officer to a psychiatric facility. He may have gone voluntarily or under a provision of law that allows for the "emergency detention" of a person in crisis when "considerations of safety do not allow" the initiation of more involved involuntary commitment procedures. The document that police officers must fill out asks whether the person is a danger to self or others, or whether the person is "gravely disabled" by mental illness.

If the answer is yes, the person can be held for about 72 hours, or three days. Police have said Santiago was held for four.

"Commitment is harder and harder to get. There are no beds," said Joshua Horwitz, the executive director of the Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence in Washington, D.C.

Dorrance Collins and Faith Myers agree. Both have spent time at the Alaska Psychiatric Institute in the past and are now advocates for the rights of psychiatric patients.

"Today you can't just be walking around mumbling of having delusions," said Collins. "The standard is really high."

Myers spoke of a time in the early 2000s during an episode of mental illness where she was found asleep in a snowdrift, believing it was a bed, and still didn't meet the standard to be committed.

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/201...for-the-mentally-ill-to-part-with-their-guns/
 

bobnoorduyn

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LOL I understand you feel I made an offensive or provocative point which upset you, Sometimes the truth is provocative.

http://www.ezbordercrossing.com/the...earms/bringing-a-firearm-into-canada/Bringing a Firearm into Canada – ezbordercrossing.com

The US rules can be found at www.exbordercrossing.com/experience/transporting firearms

I maintain that it is much more difficult to acquire a gun in Canada than the US. There is a waiting period before acquiring a gun in Canada, During this time. records re mental illness, a criminal record. and evidence they are not a minor, are supposed to be check for. In the US, guns are sold in Walmart and gun
shows. Have you seen this in Canada? As far as importing guns into the country, of course if the paper work is properly done and the intent is not deemed to be criminal, both countries are close,

Unfortunately both countries are not giving veterans the help they need when they return home. Just look at the recent shooting in Nova Scotia,

By the way....what do you suppose is the reason why the US has the highest civilian murders per capita & woundings by guns??


Maybe you should read the links you post. People who have had experience taking firearms to the US voice frustration at the wait time to get the permit from the ATF and any other authorities. In Canada, acquiring a firearm is fairly easy once you have the required license, and yes I have seen firearms and ammunition for sale at WalMart as well as Canadian Tire, non restricted firearms. If I want a restricted firearm I can walk into Cabella's and walk out with a .44 Magnum in as little as 15 minutes. In fact, the pistol that got misdirected in transit had been purchased at Wholesale Sports in Saskatoon, I had all transport and travel permits in 15 minutes, with authorisation to transport within 30 miles of Saskatoon, to Toronto and within 40 miles of the airport, to Halifax to my home, cabin, and to any approved shooting range in the province.


You mention that the US has the highest civilian "murders" per capita, you may want to check to make sure they are not "homicides", which can fall into many categories. Did you know that Utah has more police involved shootings than all drug and gang related shootings combined?


BTW, I'm not upset at all, I know I won't change your mind because like many you are a victim of misinformation given our by the MSM, and yes, the US MSM is far more critical of gun laws than even our own and will use statistics to their own ends.
 

gopher

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ONCE again... this link that you are providing right in your own post is of a different Estaban Santiago. A man that was falsely accused merely by having the same name of the Ft. Lauderdale shooter.

Have you even clicked the link in your own post?

This is what he has to say to those who supported him while he was being falsely accused and to the insensitive people who rushed to judgement because he happened to share the same name as the killer.

"Prayers for all those involved in the Fort Lauderdale shooting.

Thank you to all my family and friends who showed me love and support during this difficult time. As you all know, I am NOT the shooter. My face has been exposed to unwanted places and my family has been getting some unwanted attention, but we are doing fine.

To those whom have jumped to the most insane conclusions: I forgive you. In the future, please educate yourselves on ALL the facts because spreading rumors about people you do not know does hurt. Thank you."







You got the name wrong - it is NOT "Estaban Santiago" as you wrote.

It is Esteban Santiago - that's why you keep posting the wrong information here. Get your facts and your names straight.
 

tay

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We The People Report | BUSTED! Crisis Actors Exposed! Ft Lauderdale False Flag! Undeniable Proof! - We The People Report

BUSTED! Crisis Actors Exposed! Ft Lauderdale False Flag! Undeniable Proof!


Here are two videos proving that the most recent shooting at Ft. Lauderdale Airport is a false flag! Below we have one instance of a crisis actor who is used twice by CNN wearing two different outfits being interviewed twice on camera. The women shes sitting with appears to be hiding her face and turning away from the camera.
Actually those Sandyhook stories have been cancelled now that Obama is out of office and 'yer guns' won't be taken away, but I see what you're doing........
 

EagleSmack

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You got the name wrong - it is NOT "Estaban Santiago" as you wrote.

It is Esteban Santiago - that's why you keep posting the wrong information here. Get your facts and your names straight.

You accused the wrong person... admit it! You were one of those who rushed to judgement and slandered this poor kids name. You postedhis Facebook profile right here and as you said you posted it elsewhere.

But he forgives you and the rest.

Stop the bullshtt. The number 100000492021832 did't come out of nowhere. It was the number that appeared on his page when it was still available which is no longer is. Here it is yet again:


https://www.facebook.com/people/Esteban-Santiago/100000492021832



Like I wrote before, if you still stupidly believe your own myths, just go ahead and write to facebook and ask if it isn't true. Just ASK.

You slandered this poor kid whose only crime was that he had the same name as the killer.

Shame on you and the others who did this.
 

gopher

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You accused the wrong person... admit it! You were one of those who rushed to judgement and slandered this poor kids name. You postedhis Facebook profile right here and as you said you posted it elsewhere.

But he forgives you and the rest.



You slandered this poor kid whose only crime was that he had the same name as the killer.

Shame on you and the others who did this.





Some people just cannot admit they are wrong and have been defeated. The guy you mentioned is ESTABAN, not Esteban.

But everybody can see your misspelling and they can check with FB if they want further data.




Not only does Eagle repeat the same broken record and remains the king of hyperbole, he is just too egocentric to admit he is wrong yet again.

Why so sniffily sniff ES?


He just cannot admit he is wrong (again).
 

gerryh

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Some people just cannot admit they are wrong and have been defeated. The guy you mentioned is ESTABAN, not Esteban.

But everybody can see your misspelling and they can check with FB if they want further data.




Not only does Eagle repeat the same broken record and remains the king of hyperbole, he is just too egocentric to admit he is wrong yet again.




He just cannot admit he is wrong (again).


It's YOUR fu cking link...you stupid, useless piece of shyte. The link you posted goes to some poor smucks facebook page that had NOTHING to do with the shooting. He's been accused of it and his family has been harassed because of useless, brainless twats like yourself.


It is YOU that fu cked up, and as a typical leftwing retard, you can't admit to when you have made a mistake.
 

gopher

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How fu.cked up can somebody get? Instead of kissing up Eagle's butt like you are doing, just go to facebook and ask them yourself as to whether it is true.

If you are too afraid of the truth then shut the f.u.ck up.
 

gerryh

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How fu.cked up can somebody get? Instead of kissing up Eagle's butt like you are doing, just go to facebook and ask them yourself as to whether it is true.

If you are too afraid of the truth then shut the f.u.ck up.



Ya, you're an idiot
 

gopher

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Already did so numb nuts - I did not pull the URL numbers out of my azz. Therefore, you can write to FB to see if those numbers were the ones that corresponded to his account.

Are you too afraid to ask? Or is wiping Eagle's butt so important to you?

It's strange since I've never had this problem with you before. Why the hostility all of a sudden when your problem can be resolved so readily??
 

gerryh

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Already did so numb nuts - I did not pull the URL numbers out of my azz. Therefore, you can write to FB to see if those numbers were the ones that corresponded to his account.

Are you too afraid to ask? Or is wiping Eagle's butt so important to you?

It's strange since I've never had this problem with you before. Why the hostility all of a sudden when your problem can be resolved so readily??

You posted a link to an innocent young man's page and accused him of being a mass murderer.
 

EagleSmack

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Some people just cannot admit they are wrong and have been defeated. The guy you mentioned is ESTABAN, not Esteban.

But everybody can see your misspelling and they can check with FB if they want further data.

It's YOUR link!

You do understand that the FB page that you linked to is a different Esteban Santiago and not the shooter.

Boom!

Interestingly, he claimed to be a born again Christian in his facebook page which has now been deleted.


https://www.facebook.com/people/Esteban-Santiago/100000492021832

Here... try clicking it. It is not closed.

He just cannot admit he is wrong (again).

I misspelled his name in my post but that does not change the fact that you accused and continue to accuse the wrong Esteban Santiago of murder.

Click the link you provided azz wipe and you'll see.


Go on and click it.
 

gopher

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