Carbon pricing pushes gas prices higher in Ontario, Alberta

[Bar Sinister]

The problem with that line of bullsh!t is that most experts who aren't on the NDP payroll figure it will cost a family of 4 almost $5000/yr by the time you account for the inflationary nature of the tax. So $360/yr rebate ain't really doing much is it?

Experts? The same experts who blame the NDP for low oil prices. Forgive me if I don't give them much credibility. As for the number you quote you're trying to tell me a 5% increase in the price of oil and natural gas adds up to $5000 for the average family. So I guess that would mean that the average family previously spent $100,000 a year on fuel. Wow, that's a lot! I had no idea I spent that much.

Just asking: Did you get your numbers from a news feed on Facebook?

 

[Dixie Cup]

How about you pay your fair share instead of asking others to do it for you.

That's how we do things in Canada.

You're missing my point - I DON'T WANNA!!! I already pay "more than my fair share" thank you very much so you are more than welcome to pay the excess!!

Actually in Alberta any family earning less than $950,000 a year gets a full rebate. I don't know about the rest of Canada, but that is the way it is here.

Carbon rebates

Rebates will be provided to lower- and middle-income Albertans to offset costs associated with the carbon levy. The rebates protect those who spend a higher percentage of their income on energy costs and have fewer financial resources to invest in energy efficiency products.
60% of households will get a full rebate: $200 for an adult, $100 for a spouse and $30 for each child under 18 (up to four children). Single parents can claim the spouse amount for one child, and the child amount for up to 4 more children.
Full rebates will be provided to single Albertans who earn $47,500 or less, and couples and families who earn $95,000 or less. An additional 6% of households will receive a partial rebate.


And here is the full article:https://www.alberta.ca/climate-carbon-pricing.aspx#p184s2[/QUOTE

You're missing my point - I DON'T WANNA!!! I already pay "more than my fair share" thank you very much so you are more than welcome to pay the excess!!

Actually in Alberta any family earning less than $950,000 a year gets a full rebate. I don't know about the rest of Canada, but that is the way it is here.

Carbon rebates

Rebates will be provided to lower- and middle-income Albertans to offset costs associated with the carbon levy. The rebates protect those who spend a higher percentage of their income on energy costs and have fewer financial resources to invest in energy efficiency products.
60% of households will get a full rebate: $200 for an adult, $100 for a spouse and $30 for each child under 18 (up to four children). Single parents can claim the spouse amount for one child, and the child amount for up to 4 more children.
Full rebates will be provided to single Albertans who earn $47,500 or less, and couples and families who earn $95,000 or less. An additional 6% of households will receive a partial rebate.


And here is the full article:https://www.alberta.ca/climate-carbon-pricing.aspx#p184s2[/QUOTE

I don't know where the above came from - huh - musta screwed something up. All I wanted to say that it's supposed to read $95,000 and not $950,000. Me & hubby don't make that much and we don't get the rebate (or at least it wasn't in our account yesterday when they said it was supposed to be) so I'm wondering what they are basing the money on. Hmmmmm

Yes, but conservatives will always feign shock to make it look egregious.

If anything, the increase is too mild.

I really think you're just pulling our leg to raise our ire and that you don't believe a word that you say. LOL I m on you you MF!!


ha ha ha ha Gottch a

 

[pgs]

Experts? The same experts who blame the NDP for low oil prices. Forgive me if I don't give them much credibility. As for the number you quote you're trying to tell me a 5% increase in the price of oil and natural gas adds up to $5000 for the average family. So I guess that would mean that the average family previously spent $100,000 a year on fuel. Wow, that's a lot! I had no idea I spent that much.

Just asking: Did you get your numbers from a news feed on Facebook?

Do you think I am going to eat my extra fuel costs or pass them on to my customers ?

 

[mentalfloss]

Mentalfloss you are one gullible dude.

I'm a skeptic, which means you follow the evidence, just like Galileo did.

 

[taxslave]

Actually in Alberta any family earning less than $950,000 a year gets a full rebate. I don't know about the rest of Canada, but that is the way it is here.

Carbon rebates

Rebates will be provided to lower- and middle-income Albertans to offset costs associated with the carbon levy. The rebates protect those who spend a higher percentage of their income on energy costs and have fewer financial resources to invest in energy efficiency products.
60% of households will get a full rebate: $200 for an adult, $100 for a spouse and $30 for each child under 18 (up to four children). Single parents can claim the spouse amount for one child, and the child amount for up to 4 more children.
Full rebates will be provided to single Albertans who earn $47,500 or less, and couples and families who earn $95,000 or less. An additional 6% of households will receive a partial rebate.


And here is the full article:https://www.alberta.ca/climate-carbon-pricing.aspx#p184s2

You need remedial math real bad.

How about you pay your fair share instead of asking others to do it for you.

That's how we do things in Canada.

Time you paid your fair share. That means you must pay as much as I do. Which is probably more than you earn.

I'm a skeptic, which means you follow the evidence, just like Galileo did.

No you are a gullible troll.

 

[mentalfloss]

Nah.

Trudeau Sees Carbon Price as Investment Edge in Age of Trump
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rbon-rules-as-investment-edge-in-age-of-trump

 

[Cannuck]

How much of my paycheck do you want

 

[Machjo]

How much of my paycheck do you want

I actually dislike income tax, so I want nothing of your paycheck. Now as for how much of your gas money I want, that depends on how much you pollute my air. Seeing how you seem to oppose alternatives to income taxes, how much of my paycheck do you want?

 

[PoliticalNick]

Experts? The same experts who blame the NDP for low oil prices. Forgive me if I don't give them much credibility. As for the number you quote you're trying to tell me a 5% increase in the price of oil and natural gas adds up to $5000 for the average family. So I guess that would mean that the average family previously spent $100,000 a year on fuel. Wow, that's a lot! I had no idea I spent that much.

Just asking: Did you get your numbers from a news feed on Facebook?

It's quite simple really. Remember this tax is not just on gas but on heating and power generated from coal or NG. Every business is going to pass their carbon tax down the line to the end consumer. I'm a truck driver and my company has added a carbon surcharge of $0.035/km so transportation of goods is going up also and that will also get passed on to the consumer.

See these dummies from the NDP and who support them all seem to believe every business is just going to absorb their share of this ludicrous cash grab but that is not going to happen. The tax is what is called inflationary meaning the price of everything is going to go up and in some cases where a product has multiple components and is handled and transported multiple times it will go up significantly.

I understand most people who support this ridiculous endeavor do not want to count the inflationary nature of the program but that is the reality when you look at the economic impact overall.

 

[Cannuck]

Seeing how you seem to oppose alternatives to income taxes

Go eat some meat. You're being stupid again

 

[PoliticalNick]

Nah.

Trudeau Sees Carbon Price as Investment Edge in Age of Trump
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rbon-rules-as-investment-edge-in-age-of-trump

Trudeau also sees spending $36 million on the house we provide for him as not an issue. I doubt he has ever paid tax in his life and has no concept of handling finances. He just has a personal credit card which his accountant pays and a government credit card which we pay. Believing investors are going to rush to a jurisdiction with a higher tax regime is beyond stupid.

I actually dislike income tax, so I want nothing of your paycheck. Now as for how much of your gas money I want, that depends on how much you pollute my air. Seeing how you seem to oppose alternatives to income taxes, how much of my paycheck do you want?

I don't pollute your air....I pollute my air and I'm ok with that.

 

[Machjo]

Go eat some meat. You're being stupid again

Can you explain?

Trudeau also sees spending $36 million on the house we provide for him as not an issue. I doubt he has ever paid tax in his life and has no concept of handling finances. He just has a personal credit card which his accountant pays and a government credit card which we pay. Believing investors are going to rush to a jurisdiction with a higher tax regime is beyond stupid.



I don't pollute your air....I pollute my air and I'm ok with that.

Feel free to keep the exhaust inside your truck with the windows closed then. But just drive safely please.

 

[Cannuck]

Can you explain?

You're being dumb. Meat makes you smart.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Feel free to keep the exhaust inside your truck with the windows closed then. But just drive safely please.

Nope! I'm entitled to just as much of the atmosphere as you or anyone else and what I do with my share is my business.

 

[personal touch]

I am so happy Albertans carbon tax was gentle ,I did not want my Premier to suffer

Thank you to the Petroleum industry

 

[Bar Sinister]

You need remedial math real bad.

Yeah right. I note you made no effort to disprove any aspect of my post. Is it because you can't?

Do you think I am going to eat my extra fuel costs or pass them on to my customers ?

I could care less what you do with your tax deductible expenses.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Yeah right. I note you made no effort to disprove any aspect of my post. Is it because you can't?



I could care less what you do with your tax deductible expenses.

I totally disproved your post. The tax is inflationary in nature meaning that 5% (plus the GST on that 5%) is going to be added to the cost of everything sometimes many times over as each business adds on their increased cost. The rebates are based upon only the fuel used for a small individual vehicle and having to heat/power a small apartment and do not consider the inflated cost of everything else. As I said before many who actually have economics degrees instead of river rafting guide tickets believe an average family of 4 will see an overall increase to cost of living of $4000-$5000 a year.

 

[PoliticalNick]

 

[Machjo]

Nope! I'm entitled to just as much of the atmosphere as you or anyone else and what I do with my share is my business.

Where do you live? Would you mind if I open up a tire-burning power plant next to your house? I'll get you to sign the petition too.

I totally disproved your post. The tax is inflationary in nature meaning that 5% (plus the GST on that 5%) is going to be added to the cost of everything sometimes many times over as each business adds on their increased cost. The rebates are based upon only the fuel used for a small individual vehicle and having to heat/power a small apartment and do not consider the inflated cost of everything else. As I said before many who actually have economics degrees instead of river rafting guide tickets believe an average family of 4 will see an overall increase to cost of living of $4000-$5000 a year.

They should scrap the GST and income tax. Ironically, I do agree with Trump on one thing: a moderate wealth tax.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Where do you live? Would you mind if I open up a tire-burning power plant next to your house?

Which one?